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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Was that an inadvertent euphemism you used there?
:greengrin
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Was that an inadvertent euphemism you used there?
:greengrin
https://twitter.com/EmmaKennedy/stat...fz4JRS2ow&s=19
Genuine question
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NEW: Liz Truss was with Sir Graham Brady during Labour's urgent question in HoC - as per No 10 sources.
They tell me it was a pre-planned meeting - rather than crisis talks - but inevitable that lack of support among Tory MPs will have come up
Do we think Mortgage rates will drop if economy settles down?
Fix rate expires in just over 6 months so not sure if I should try and lock into something now (and pay a lot more) risk rates going up by waiting and hope they come down.
The estimate for next year has went from 6% to 5.3% just today. I've seen economists today say they reckon that will drop to 4.5%Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Although who knows with this mayhem
This doesn't make sense. How is that urgent and why the silence when she did come inQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
You could look to secure a deal at today's rates which would be valid for 6 months, and see where rates are nearer your remortgage and make a decision to accept that deal or apply for a remortgage at whatever rates are in 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
I saw him in the chamber during the urgent question. Maybe he left during it to meet her?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Think they are saying he left 10 minutes in then returned, bizarreQuote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
Ffs 😆
@NadineDorries
There is no unity candidate.
No one has enough support.
Only one MP has a mandate from party members and from the British public - a mandate with an 80 seat majority.
@BorisJohnson
The choices are simple - back Liz, if not bring back Boris or face a GE within weeks
Just get an offer now and sit on it until nearer your term EndingQuote:
Originally Posted by Col2
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
He was the one that had the key to the big fridge
Who would have guessed, eh pretty much everyone months ago who had a brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Ah sh*t...Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
Is this the one where a starstruck Nasty Nad does her sawing the man in half trick and when she opens the box her idol Bozo drops out still intact, and they dance off down the yellow brick road and live happily ever after?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Attention seeker.
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She'll probably have to go private given the state her Government has made of the service.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I've spent the last wee while, after your post, pondering if I should feel sympathy for a fellow human who is in such a stressful position. I'm pretty much split in two both heart and head. She and her government are probably the biggest serial killers in UK history and they have done that knowingly and with relish. On the other hand should I be like her and have no sympathy or compassion for someone in her situation, albeit it every bit of her peril is her own making. Not sure I will ever get to a definitive position.
Yes, has the haunted look of someone who is just about managing to keep it together. As much as I dislike her government, I wouldn't want to see anyone having a nervous breakdown as PM. You have to wonder whether she should continue for her own sake. There's no shame in saying the job is too big and she needs to step aside for the sake of her health. It would be the courageous thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
I think we should park the sympathy until there’s something to show sympathy for. All we know now is she’s as she usually is, inarticulate and awkward. Based on previous behaviour she may be one of those characters who refuse to believe they could ever be in the wrong and the narcissism could be pathological.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
You're a hard man :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
You could be right, but someone would have to be pathological to not be feeling terrible strain in her situation. It's like watching a non-swimmer slowly drown. She is done for and knows her political career is over.
Absolutely no sympathy from me for the shapeshifting coward. I hope she rots in Hell along side her heroine Thatcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Something tells me she will fall on her feet. Unlike many of those whose lives will be shortened by her repugnant party’s policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Ooo that was a bit pompous by me there :faf:
How long does she need to hold out for before she gets the book deal and the series of speaking engagements that will be lapped up by the sovereign individual crowd?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I'll save my sympathy for people who don't take on a difficult job having been warned it's a difficult job before failing in that difficult job.
Oh yes, she will have the book deal etc. All former PMs can make a fortune, and her turbulent story would be a big seller, but for all the wrong reasons! The worst PM in history.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
£45 million
£50 million
£15 million
£45 million
Personal net worth of the last 4 PMs from Major to Cameron with the Labour two in the middle. Most generated by the speaking and policy writing circuit.
Theresa May is just £3million but to be fair she’s still in the first flush of youth and just getting started.
I still think Johnson was worse merely for the unnecessary deaths during Covid and the fact he stayed when he should have been sacked about 3 times. Like Truss he was completely unsuitable for any type of office in Government never mind PM. Both struggled to put a sentence together unless on a script and both had no gravitas, conviction or empathy when they spoke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
There's no chance of any of that for Truss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Oh, she will get the book deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
No chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
She hasn't anything to say, plus, and here's the crux, she can't write!
Or read and speak for the audio version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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You don't think there's a captive audience for a padded out version of "I was right, you lot are all right and I was derailed by the pesky anti-growth coalition (including those within our own party) who didn't give me enough time to implement what we all know to be right"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Who are the right-wing think tanks that so influenced Truss and Kwarteng?
https://youtu.be/9x5jL5jnVFI
Thanks that’s interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Good call. Hadn’t thought about that. Thought I might be committed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
Institute of Economic Affairs is the big one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network
Yup hate is a strong word but I despise everything about Truss. She offers nothing and has caused huge damage in a matter of days. I wishe her the very worst for the rest of her career and I hope the £115k she is guaranteed each year from now in as former PM is challenged and reversed.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
https://twitter.com/scotlandtonight/...8rj5a5tJgZ2dig
He really is special.[emoji23]
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No. Certainly not enough to get a book contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
People are going hungry and some will die of cold through the winter. It's hard to summon up any empathy for those who have caused this, whether it be her mental health or physical stress it's nothing to what she has already consigned people to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Step back and look at what happened. She and Kwarteng have been hothoused and sponsored by Hedge fund types for years. Within hours of their first meaningful actions in power they've engineered a few billion in the direction of hedge funds. Its daylight robbery and "feeling concerned" about her doesn't figure on the horizon for me.
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I wonder where the concern is for the mental health of the FM of our country who's attacked pretty much daily by the press
Sympathy for Lizz Truss? Do one.
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Originally Posted by Kato
Schemed and connived her way to where she is, sat in every Bozo cabinet and deserves not a shred of sympathy given what she was content to unleash before and since she became PM. Surrounded herself with folk based on their apparent loyalty to her so maybe they'll help her out.
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Having listened to Truss being interviewed by Chris Mason of the beeb this morning, I'm not altogether sure she'd pass a Turing Test. :dunno:
He should have asked her what day of the week it was. She is basically repeating a mantra regardless of the question. Worked for her predecessor for many months after he should have been sacked. IF she can get the mantra distilled into 3 words she has a chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
What one word fits with pork and cheese, her other 2 "highlights"?Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
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BBC political reporter Ian Watson was on Radio 5 earlier talking about the various meeting Truss attended last night.
An un-named Tory said that listening to her was like hearing a corpse deliver its own eulogy.
It’s over , she must surely realise it .Quote:
Originally Posted by Logie Green
Excellent video, grunt. A cabal of fundamentalist lunatics, funded by extremely wealthy people, were behind the crazy mini budget; now they must be put under the spotlight. The general public has no idea what goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
She probably does, it's now just a matter of trying to save a little face before leaving. The party can't afford yet another leadership contest, so they will allow Truss to limp on until a consensus replacement can be agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
Is there an established means to replace the leader without a contest, or is it a case of rewriting the rules first?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
:thumbsup::agree::top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
Yup. The only thing she'll be doing right now is to work out how to leave without causing more problems. I doubt she wants to stay in post now, it must be a monumental embarrassment for her with her friends and family, let alone MPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaveli1875
I'd simply like to see her resign, preferably this week, Jeremy Hunt to take over, and immediately call for a GE to take place as soon as it can be. Before Xmas if possible.
If the Conservatives lose a couple of hundred MPs then so be it. The Commons needs new blood.
12+ years is enough for any government and change is needed. It gives them 5 years to sort themselves out.
Starmer has had a few years to prepare Labour so it might not be all be bad!!
No need for a contest if the parliamentary party gets behind one person.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonshinyfinish
Shame they all hate each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Lots of rumours she might have been prescribed valium to get her through this moment, given her demeanour. I have no idea, but she wouldn't be the first person to be medicated to deal with the pressures of leadership. Perhaps it's just the rabbit frozen in the car headlights look. She just isn't equipped to deal with this. Everything she hoped for (which was terrible) has come crashing down within a few weeks. The strain must be intolerable. It's good for the country that her crazy agenda has been shelved, and she's the creator of her own demise; hubris is a dangerous thing in politics.
Whats the best charts to predict possible mortgage rates?
We are off fix end of next year and wondering if paying the break and re fixing now is wise, or pointless
Or is it so difficult to tell that trying to made a best guess is futile?
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Might be worth watching Martin Lewis' show on ITV at 8pm tonight. Gets asked this question weekly. Think he'll end up in politics at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I think he's a man of principle so it's unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
He's already said he'd like a seat in the HOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
If you go to economy on the spectator data hub it has the most recent estimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
https://data.spectator.co.uk/category/recovery
Attachment 26246
Has it peaking at 5% next summer then dropping to 4 over the next year.
made me laugh. you're no doubt right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Never knew that. Quite a strange thing to say imo, doesn't give off that vibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
I don't really like his programmes, he's too hyper and overloads with info. I prefer his weekly email set up, sometimes he can highlight good offers, most of the time his advice is just common sense. I reckon he serves more use to younger people getting to grips with learning to manage their money.
Theo Usherwood tweeting that a Tory MP has said that they’re trying to find a unity candidate, Johnson supporters won’t accept Sunak and vice versa, they’ve considered Theresa May but the ERG won’t go for it.
A total mess, can only see a general election being the way out of this. Just depends how long they put party before country.
I wouldn't hold your breath. They haven't put country first in 12 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status...StMlOEEuw&s=19Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Tories ain't calling a general election any time soon. They'd be absolutely decimated and a huge number of Tory MPs would lose their seats.
It's the right thing to do, not that makes any difference to a Tory.
https://twitter.com/GillibrandPeter/...q9f2_TRMDPzbEQ
Drakeford shaking with anger.Quote:
The First Minister of Wales, Mark Drakeford, has just shouted at the leader of the Welsh Conservatives, Andrew RT Davies, in the Senedd after a question about the Welsh NHS…
IMHO, Penny Mordaunt is the one who could be acceptable to most of them. Jeremy Hunt is anti-Brexit, which makes him toxic to many of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
6% of people think the Tories are managing the economy well.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfW8ifyX...jpg&name=large
Liz Truss performance rating at -70. That is unprecedented for any PM since polling began.
Truss is nearly as unpopular as PutinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/stat...l-oFMmKTQ&s=19
Thoroughly decent guy, surprised he's held back so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Tory cost of living crisis / heat or eat
https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=29741
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Almost 30 council and community venues have been announced as part of a network of designated welcome places for Glaswegians ahead of the onset of winter and as the cost of living and energy crisis continues to impact people of all ages.
They haven't put the country first since 1834.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Before my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
It'll be the same 10% that like bothQuote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
Liz Truss is no longer promising to raising state pensions in line with surging inflation, as she asks ministers to look for spending cuts.
The prime minister said two weeks ago she was "committed" to the triple lock, so payments rise by whatever is higher: inflation (price rises), average earnings or 2.5%
She got the top job under false promises!!!
It was also a 2019 Conservative Manifesto promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Pensioners are vital to the Tory vote; they can't afford to alienate that voting block. They seem intent upon destroying themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
That’ll be the majority of the 20% they’re still registering in the polls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I thought it was likely bollocks but I think they’ll be lucky to win 50 seats at the next election.
last week but a byelection in Leicester, blamed on the labour candidate supporting the BJP party in india, so the numbnuts prefer to put a detestable Tory in ffs
:rolleyes:
Leicester council byelection sees huge swing to Tories in area hit by unrest | Leicester | The Guardian
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...Bw&oe=635329E7
Tories fighting back, Charles Walker voting against new disorderly protest legislation
They leave me absolutely cold. In fact, I go as far as to say they are appalling. Absolutely appalling, because there are plenty of existing laws that can be utilised to deal with people who specialise in making other people’s lives miserable …
The idea that in this country, we are going to ankle tag someone who has not been convicted in a court of law ... I mean, I tell you what, those Chinese in their embassy will be watching this very closely at the moment, they might actually be applying for some of this stuff when we pass it in this place as I suspect we will.
This is as unconservative as our budget of a few weeks ago. This is not what the Conservative party does, we believe in proportionate laws, like we used to believe in sound money.
So I will be voting against this. I will be joining with honourable members across the house to vote against this piece of legislation.
i know it's a comic,a bad one at that, but sometimes some of this comics headlines are just brilliant
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfWaSaJX...jpg&name=large
That is a gross underestimateQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Their 2019 manifesto has been abandoned completely . Stuff being made up and wheeled out as new policies then shut down ASAP.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Local authorities in England spent millions prepping for levelling up which has been shown to be an expensive slogan.
There should be a general election.
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That Andrew RT Davis is a prize cock of a man, absolutely unbearable on a Question Time I had the misfortune to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
The thing is, Priti Patel already enacted sweeping anti protest legislation in the summer. Braverman comes in and just wants to show she’s more draconian than the previous most draconian. The right to protest has never been more under threat. When even Lord Poncenby-Aristo Smythe and his mates are voting against it you know the nutcases and wannabe fascists have taken over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
some thinking Truss is holding out for the two months so she can get the ex PM payment of £115k/year for life :hmmm: no idea if that's the rules but wouldn't surprise me, sickening if so
She should be in jail for what she’s done , never mind getting a pay offQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Inside 'the end of days' in the Tory party, by
@theipaper
No agreement on 'unity candidate' - major gripes expressed about all contenders
But: "It can’t go on like this. She’s toast
She’s more ****ed than Boris," a veteran of previous leadership collapses says. "When your personal ratings are -70 and the party is -33, there’s no way out of that."
Even MPs with large five-figure majorities are worried about career prospects now
But who comes next?
One MP tells us: "I don’t think Ben Wallace wants it... If we got Rishi I think actually that will be worse because you’d get half the party that wouldn’t back him." The other option is Boris Johnson - "but we cannot do that
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/in...-truss-1919213
They have been around for 200 years and there are still millions of idiots who will vote for them. It's bizarre, but they will recover.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
If I was a Tory backbencher with a seat that is still salvageable, I would say put Mordaunt in there. Most of the public know little about her, which is what the Tories need just now, as most of them are badly tainted from the past twelve years. All of the other likely candidates would have a big chunk of the party and the public against them.
No one with any personal ambitions will touch the job. If they can keep it to a 97/01 level decimation then they will have done well. 05 would be a miracle. They need a has been or a never gonna be who is also palatable to all the factions in a party that has torn itself apart. Good luck with that.
It's terrifying that we could have to limp on with this for another 2+ years. When a party is looking to crown leaders and is making up major policy on the hoof with no mandate then it should be general election time. The opposition are somewhat impotent though, even if they call a vote of no confidence there will likely be enough careerists in the Tory party quite happy with another couple of years on the gravy train to keep them going on life support.
Gie it tae big Penny :hilarious :lolrangers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Deflect off into making disorderly conduct the new headline. Will be lapped up by the core vote, until their fuel bill arrives and it dawns on them that pensions might not be as safeguarded as they thought and the Nasties still haven't sorted out the all important border security.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Yep, 5 minutes in a windowless room with no door is sufficient for a proper man to man debate with this sort of creature. Hopefully the Welsh people have him in their sights.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Will Truss take PMQs tomorrow? Looking at her over the past couple of days, she doesn't look capable of withstanding it. Question Time will be a blood sport, if she goes ahead; and there is no point from her perspective: she is finished, it's over.
It'll be prime viewing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Tory polling is ridiculous
Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
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9h
Across all polls Liz Truss and the Conservatives are, on average, 29 pts behind Labour. The last time the party was this far behind was March 1997, two months before you know what
Liz Truss's net rating collapses to a new low of -70 (YouGov). If you want a reference point Prince Andrew is -80
The Labour Party is now more popular than the Conservative Party among Brexit voters. This has simply been a masterclass in how to ***** up a political realignment
If we are talking about full blown "unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible" why not give Coffey a go in the mastermind chair?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
A couple of bottles of chardonnay and a decent Havana cigar beforehand should see her through?
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PleasingQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Just imagine the chaos if it was Corbyn though.