Would technically be "castle view", at least some of the time. That is if they stick it on the right side.Quote:
Originally Posted by spike220
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Would technically be "castle view", at least some of the time. That is if they stick it on the right side.Quote:
Originally Posted by spike220
I think I read that Budge and Gray will have five or six weeks to come up with reconstruction proposals ........ five weeks? There’s surely a limit to the range of reconstruction formats but it shouldn’t take a lifetime to outline them. If that time span is correct, I reckon most of the time will be used by Budge to fight her corner by canvassing clubs, negotiation, bribery (��), etc. I’m also not sure what Gray’s role will be in this process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
‘We can’t be silenced anymore’ lolQuote:
Originally Posted by greenpaper55
150,000 + hilarious!
I can see the only applause she will get for years to come, will be from us. We'll done anne👏Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
So let me get this right, Budge will right the wrongs attributed to the outcome of this vote? Therefore, that makes 35/42 teams wrong and the other 7 right but are now victims of the majority. Pathetic Budge!
time for us all to make a stand and rid Scottish football of these duplicitous farts!
So no declaring Celtic champions, no relegation, no clarity for ST sales, no distrib of prize money until Anne is ready ?? Meanwhile Sky will be sitting patiently waiting in the wings twiddling, waiting for Anne to bless us all with her wisdom ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
The SPFL have been shamed by Dundee. They’re not going to give Anne Budge the same platform and 5 weeks to do the same .
IMO the SPFL know exactly how this will play out and it’ll be wrapped up in 3 weeks max. Anne will have another hissy fit and the adults will move on.
They seem to have mislaid 250,000 supporters...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
If the SPFL waste any time entertaining this old rat bags self-serving back of a fag packet 'reconstruction' plans then they are even crazier and more pathetic than I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Send 'em down!
The utter **** does Neilson look like in that chair on BBC Scotland just now. He looks like a cowboy in a random Graham Norton chair.
Old Pishy Breaks has had his say
http://www.deadlinenews.co.uk/2020/0...mpression=true
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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
SPFL is a joke, but we all knew that and ignored. Reconstruction has been called for .. for decades but we all knew that and ignored. Heart of Midlothian FC has been cheating and deceiving for years, we all knew that and been ignored.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
The day of reckoning has arrived so why don't you all just have a little bit of dignity. Shut the **** up. No one is listening anymore.
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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Foulkes says he’s never , ever seen a vote changed from a no to a yes .
Did he sleep through his years as an M P ? Daily occurrence in politics and boardroom business.
Was probably pishedQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
From the various comments on JKB it looks like they may be on to you and your time there may be ending soon.
Keep a low profile and just continue with “project reconstruction” they’ll never twig it’s really a smokescreen.
As a side note: Any chance you could award a further contract to your Bro to finish the mega dome? Go for a smaller amount. Say around £20 mill more to really add a final sparkle to the glass curtain etc.
If you find your cover blown just go for the liquidation option and end them. I know this would end years of entertainment for us but better that than you actually pull off a deal to save them.
Sleep well princess, keep counting the donations and always remember.... never give them the share certs.
Signing off now.
GGTTH
I think he hounds and stalks minor celebrities on twitter - i’m pretty sure the last one was something about anti-semitism. I think he is pro and an ex Eastenders actress called him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
Needs his tena pads changed. Auld pishy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Apart from when it comes putting herself in the spotlight and proclaiming how good she is/they are she doesn't do anything quickly, e.g. hiring managers, agreeing wage reductions or completing stand rebuilds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
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Originally Posted by Joe6-2
I thought that too either lost 250,000 fans or found 135,000 :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
We should always pay great attention to his every word, this is the man who gave Vladimir Romanov such a glowing reference and introduction to tiny castle. Maybe he has another fit and proper person waiting in the wings?Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Slaver of the highest order.
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Budge on Radio 5 just now spouting nonsence as per usual - "Almost everyone has a problem relegating clubs!" and "We have spent a large amount of money on trying to prevent relegation" and a lot of bluster saying it`s no fair - walloper
She went on at tedious length and Hearts fan Nicky Campbell had to cut her off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
She's not a great communicator.
shes right for once. they have spent an awful lot of money not all of it belonging to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
I've heard Barcelona are going to rent them the Nou Camp if the SPFL can alternate Hearts Championship fixtures with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk
Budge, as we know, is a self-important fool. She is fond of talking about how good a job she has done at Hearts and how others want to get advice from her.
Giving her responsibility for coming up with league reconstruction plans keeps her busy and stops her moaning about everyone else.
Any plan she comes up with is bound to be unworkable, but the SPFL can say that they have listened and tried to accommodate her.
It’s time the media asked other clubs what they think/want, instead of pandering to the greeting faced huns/diet hunsQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Can someone enlighten me how she’s doing a good job? A stand that’s not finished, more than double the budget, FOH money that’s been wasted, & relying only benefactors to keep them afloat, and also the worst team in the league. A club with no bank debt and their fan base should be sitting comfortably in the top six, investing in young quality players instead of throwing big money at decent but not top class ones. She’s let Levein away with murder, & he’s still on the payroll.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Yep, she's doing a great job.Quote:
Originally Posted by munchar
I hope Hibs keep a dignified silence until it comes time to a vote rather than a running commentary. It is up to Budge to present something acceptable to the other clubs and until then Hibs should keep well out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
Hibs don’t need to be publicly proactive in pushing one argument or another to run the risk of Budge calling us obstructionist or compromised in the vote.
Take part in discussions, listen to ideas in meetings, offer ideas in meetings and ultimately make a decision. Other than that leave the media bull**** to others.
Budge is easily summed up by the way she walked round the pitch at the PBS when they won the championship. It was all about her not the players. History will judge her as harshly as Mad Vlad
Who was the host? It wasn’t Jambo Nicky Campbell was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe6-2
If it’s about the good of Scottish football, what about not only the teams in the play off positions, but the ones pushing for one. What do you do about them? Just as good a chance off coming up as Hearts had of being safe. Only fair way to do it is finish as stands. EVERYONE knows it, but some don’t want to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
It was and he didn`t really say much, I envisaged him having his head in his hands as he listened to ABQuote:
Originally Posted by 90+2
:agree: Only so many times Budge can stamp her size 2s and squeam about life being unfair. The media will soon tier of that, given she's been handed the opportunity to fix it !Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
At some stage. Budge needs to start explaining the practicalities, fairness, rationale and commercial impact of reconstruction (for the whole game, not just Hearts). The SPFL and others don't need to say or do a thing. She will bury herself long before the time comes to vote.
She is Scotland's Trump in every way.Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky
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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
They're a similar orangey hue but honestly the comparison has to stop there for me.
Budge is only the fountain of knowledge on football and businessy type things in Scotland.
Trump knows everything about everything and frequently acts on this belief.
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I do love the outrage over there:
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Another thing that boils my xxxx is these diddy teams getting to vote on a team being expelled from the Premiership and costing them millions. It’s morally wrong (as is us voting on whether they call their league and get prize money, etc)."
It's morally wrong to steal from pensioners, but I don't see that being discussed over there.
And while I'm on, a big thank you to you all. This thread is keeping me sane during the lockdown.
Stay safe my friends. :aok:
Yeah, I was bored yesterday until I started to read that thread, it`s hilarious, all tearing strips off each other. Mind you, i`m only 200 pages in, still got 60 or so to goQuote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
I see the Hearts fans are fuming about all these teams who voted with self interest in mind.
Completely ignoring the fact that their vote was also entirely based on self interest and saving them from relegation.
I guess you could almost argue rangers voted for the greater good, albeit it only appears that way and really they voted to appease their fans in the vain hope Celtic didnt win the title
They can fume all they want but I know I’m finding this all very funny watching the try like made to avoid the inevitable!Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
What I’m looking forward to is all the effort put in by Budge and the vote to take about 90 seconds to decide.... NO
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Originally Posted by jax67
In Jambo parlance, she is doing a magnificent job.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Are you sure it’s not because people just haven’t asked Budge about wider issues?
In her own mind, she probably thinks she knows it all.
You could be right, we're about to find out when she transforms Scottish football once and for all, she might even save Hearts from relegation along the way and not even Trump could do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Pretty sure Leeann would have called her to ask what to do about the pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Rangers fans don’t even know what they wanted or why they voted how they did. Bunch of weirdos. We’ve been more hard done by than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Put her on the world stage, God for bid, and I think we see her full potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
When Budge said she was disappointed and disillusioned did she mean disappointed and deluded?
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Yeah but she had to wait in line... Nicola Sturgeon was asking her for advice first.
Yep Agent Ann has almost completed her mission. Final task now is to take them down to the Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by munchar
She’ll get a hero’s welcome at Easter Road!
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Originally Posted by Joe6-2
Exactly, sick looking at her and Murray's fizogs every time you open a paper or look at sport on the internet
I’m not sure if your joking! 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazyhorse
Her Hibby brothers definitely doing a good job of taking the FOH payments every month for building the stand! 👌
Hope he can take the stadium when they go into admin.
Some just has to type - "But what else could Ann do" and the place just explodes - it`s hilarious
Fixed that for you, remember your p’s & Q’s in future please 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
*tugs forelock in appreciation - actually, that sounded way better in my head lol
Bet Budge felt the same as this jambo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
It’s what they got the benefactors in again for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
Weren’t quite there = bawsed up when it mattered against St Mirren in the biggest grudge match ever having fluked a draw against Hamilton who wrongly went down to ten at home.
You’ve already perfectly adequately explainedQuote:
Originally Posted by munchar
New code name “QAB” Queen Anne Budge.
QAB.....If you really, really, really have to finally send out share certs you absolutely must post them at The rate for full price postage for a super large package.
Remember to clearly mark the envelope: Top Secret- Burn before opening.
This should add to the level of general confusion that persists over in PBS land.
Also, accidentally forget to include certs.
The day after you post the envelopes send a further memo to all alleged shareholders. The general comment should be that due to a clerical error CL will be remaining on the clubs wage bill as his contract has been renewed with a new four year deal on improved terms as opposed terminated.
More instruction to follow.... keep collecting the donations and get the super stand extension fee/ finishing fee agreed with your brother ASAP
I take it the 007 is his IQ
Hearts007 Hearts007
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1 hour ago, jambopilms said:
Why does it matter it's all paid for, mostly by benefactors who have done coughed up because of Budge. most clubs are crippled for years paying back debt for a new stand/ stadium. We have a stand better than we can't afford for no debt.
Unless your Hibs who ripped off the bank..oops sorry ..meant come to an arrangement..then let the tax payer put millions towards it
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Just the four banks made it onto Hearts very own creditors list of shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
Mind you 2 of them got bumped for £22m.
Hibs did a commercial deal with our bank to actually give them money as the banks were keen to exit football as a risk due to their experiences with the likes of Hearts.
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We paid the bank back in full. Farmer provided a £9.5 million loan to Hibs which went directly to the bank. This covered the principal of the loan plus the present value of future interest payments. Farmer turned £4.5 million of the loan into shares and the other £5 million into an interest free mortgage. Ron bought the shares and the outstanding mortgage which he turned into new shares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/5060
Bear in mind to, that Romanov wrote off/converted to shares £40 million of debt, not part of Hearts' final £30 million debt. These were loans from Ukio Bankas to UBIG, Romanov's investment vehicle, then on to Hearts. Romanov never paid the loans made to UBIG back to Ukio Bankas. This was part of the €300 million hole in Ukio Bankas's balance sheet that led to its' bankruptcy.
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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Whatever the actual numbers no one can argue Hibs never paid their way with a deal that was an astute business decision that acceptable to both sides. A million miles removed from the way Hearts built up the major debts here then avoided paying their creditors.
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Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
we did pay in "full"... it was a renegotiated deal that the bank agreed to - which got us better terms and paid up any debt we had....
I think an IQ of 7 is being generous.Quote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
Other unpaid “ debts “ of our Gorgie chums.
when Vlad took over Hearts were in hock to B of S for about £ 18 m. He transferred the debt to Ukio with a reduction of about £ 2 m.
Also, there was the £ 5/6 m convertible loan from Scottish Media Group which the lender decided not to convert . They eventually had to accept a fraction of their loan in repayment.
Absolutely love it when those thickos try and criticise Hibs for supposed financial improprieties. Just reminds us all what two-faced cheats they are.
Some people say ‘Yam’ is not an appropriate nickname. They might be right. Your average root vegetable is a lot smarter.
Keep digging, another 3 points in the statement league from Queen Ann.
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We would like to clarify our position on a comment made by Ann Budge during a broadcast interview that has, by some, been taken out of context.
“You shouldn't be awarded a title if you haven't played 38 games; you shouldn't be relegated if you haven't played 38 games, and all sorts of other things in between. Some rules were changed, others weren't."
Ann was speaking in reference to the SPFL rules, with the broader point being that it is unfair to change some rules and not others, and not expressing an opinion on whether or not clubs such as Dundee Utd, and Celtic if the Premiership is called, will be deserving winners of their titles, which some articles suggest.
The Club's position has always been one of “promotions but no relegations” on the grounds that there should be no losers in this situation if the season cannot be finished.
And a lot more attractiveQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Prior to bank deal we owed bank £6,2 million and holding company £3 million. Farmer paid off bank debt plus interest with loan to Hibs - £6,5 million. We owed holding company £9.5 (6,5 + 3)million now. Holding company converted £4.5 million of loans into shares. Remaining £5 million turned into a interest free mortgage repaid at £500,000 a year. There was no write off of the bank debt. Farmer took a hit converting £4.5 million of holding company's loan to shares.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
I am 99.9% sure the bank debt was £6.2 million which we both agree on. I am sure STF made a deal and paid £4.8 million back, which was then repaid at £40k a month for 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
I think the holding company debt was converted to shares. Def had a deal from the bank but I deal in the commercial world daily and several banks were doing deals to get out of certain sectors. It’s a perfect solution to both parties especially if there is a will on both sides.
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Originally Posted by Hibs4185
£ 400 k a month for 10 years !! That’s almost as good as Budges deal with FoH. :greengrin
So we paid £48m over the 10 years 😳Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Okay. Maybe it's the number of teeth he has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shore Hibs
They keep talking about "no losers in this situation, "no punishment", "no penalties" etc. Have they explained why they think Hearts should benefit from this situation?Quote:
Originally Posted by bringbackbenny
Haha I meant £40k a month. Sitting typing with stupid gloves on 🧤Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Or the age of his sister/ wifeQuote:
Originally Posted by AltheHibby
Hmm....same hair colour 🤔🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
God, what an image...seeing her full potential 🤮🤮🤮Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
Who gives a monkey's about how it was paid back,the long and the short is that the deals been done , the puddle drinkers will never understand no matter what or how it was paid back,they are just all spewing that there so called big club is again up ****creek and trying to find a way to wriggle out of relegation, make no mistake if it was any other club at the bottom they wouldn't give a second thought to league reconstruction, let's Just sit back and see what happens
Budge is beginning to sound more and more like Romanov after each embarrassing interview ��
Yep, they were lost the minute the concept of paying back arose!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully
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Originally Posted by Estupendo
Yes, do keep up. :wink:
Budge explained that Hearts spent a lot of money this season to try and avoid the drop. The fact that they were 4 points adrift in 12th place when th season was suspended is apparently immaterial... I think the logic is that, as a big and famous club, Hearts should not be ‘punished’ by relegation.
I can’t believe she doesn’t realise how stupid that logic sounds to everybody that isn’t a hearts fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
“We tried to buy our way out of trouble by spending money we don’t have and still managed to make an absolute arse of it over an 18 month period where we were the worst team in the league. As such, we should be REWARDED for our quite incredible failings.”
They're right to demand all these things, nothing out of the ordinary should apply, season's ended slightly early through no one's fault so let's just do what has been done for many decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estupendo
You don't even need to set up any wee groups to shoot the breeze about how tough things are for Hearts.
Award the top team the title and relegate the bottom team, they're certainly there on merit this season. Sporting integrity.
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Has anybody seen the Q and A on the BBC Scotland website? The Q and A between Budge and Tom English I meant. I don't know if it really qualifies as a question and answer session, he seems to agree with virtually everything she says. I know this might be controversial but I've got more respect for her than I do for him. She said she'd seen no evidence of bullying. English has turned into a really loathsome creature, he gets free coverage to air his biased views and gets no comeback.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52338285
If you can be bothered wading through it all, English doesn't half let her off easy here.
She 'genuinely can't remember' which club got a loan despite being one of those who approved it?! You'd assume a journalist would respond that it's hard to take such a claim seriously without corroboration and would ask the SPFL to confirm or deny this. Yet he just accepts it as fact. Imagine Doncaster getting asked such a question and responding with 'Um, I can't actually remember'. He be rightly laughed at - or his senility called into question.
Also, her claim that 'other clubs have likened an internal review to marking their own homework'. 'Other clubs' have not said this, just Steven Gerrard.
And I don't even understand that stuff about the 'Sorry Ann' message...
English is clearly Budge's 'preferred choice' of journo due to his largely sycophantic behaviour towards her. He portrays her as some sort of 'Grande Dame' of Scottish football and just airbrushes over her many mistakes and non-sensical utterances.
Jeez, can you imagine any other club reading through that interview and thinking 'yep, she's convinced me she has a great case for reconstruction'?! There's nothing, nothing at all, within what she says that qualifies as a valid argument for that. She doesn't want Hearts relegated, that's all the bluster amounts to.
Does he ask her if it’s unfair for clubs to go down, is it unfair for clubs not to come up? Would she be as vocal if Hearts weren’t bottom? Would she be lobbying for reconstruction? Does she agree they’re the worst team in the league by a distance? Have you been spending money on contracts you can’t afford? Etc,etc..
No he won’t, but that should be getting asked as a journalist!!
He's a very poor interviewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
Just as a wee aside, i wonder if many of the Hearts players have a clause in their contracts which means they are able to leave if the club was relegated. This might benefit Hearts as they will have to live within their means next season Ha ! but they might struggle to put a competitive team on the field, shame.
Tom English seems to get a free pass for any s*** he comes out with because he once called out the old firm for sectarianism.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
I didn't used to mind the guy until a couple of years ago when his yam sympathies started to become clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
He seems to trumpet anything Budge says without the merest scrutiny or critical thinking. I find his football analysis very superficial.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
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Well, some ads are clearly a waste of money. Like this one I just saw on Kickback.Attachment 23204
We should play the Scottish cup games.,
If we can play them this year in front of a crowd I'd agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S
Might reconsider the use of Murrayfield to cut down travel.
I think most quite welcomed Tom English when he appeared on the scene at Sportsound as he was a different voice to some of the tired old faces, but for me it was when he started to do more of the rugby on the BBC it became clear that he genuinely was a real aficionado of the sport and a very knowledgeable commentator, but when you then contrasted that with the depth of his football analysis it feel way short of the quality that he can offer on rugby union.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Correct me if I’m wrong but Budge insists they spent big to avoid relegation. I suspect they spent big to buy success. It all depends on the way you spin it. Same result, alas, ............ gross failure. :rolleyes:
Other rugby buffs on here, me included, i am from Hawick, think he is clueless on the rugby as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carheenlea
Especially from the bbc. They should be ashamed of themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by munchar
One day we’ll have an unbiased group of people on this willing an able to say it as it is.Not just be a mouthpiece for certain clubs agendas.
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Originally Posted by greenpaper55
Given what a mess Budge has made of things, it wouldn’t surprise if most of their squad have no relegation clauses at all.
Budge may well have the opposite problem - stuck paying the wages of a load of players she can’t get rid of.