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07-12-2023, 11:12 AM
EastStandGates

Dunno why people think Naismith is any danger currently?

3rd in the league with a game in hand to us and the Saints. Team nearest to them in a bit of a free-fall, team that finished 3rd last season and nearest to Hearts financially currently in the relegation zone.

If Hearts beat Aberdeen at the weekend then Robson will be lucky to see Hampden the following weekend. If we beat Livi then Martindale will be out too IMO. There's little to no loyalty in football, even more so at Livi when relegation will put them in complete financial meltdown. If they can't afford to operate in the topflight with huge away supports from OF and large away supports from us and Hearts, along with decent TV money (compared to the championship anyway), they'll struggle massively in the lower leagues. Extra incentive for Saturday!
07-12-2023, 11:47 AM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by EastStandGates

Dunno why people think Naismith is any danger currently?

3rd in the league with a game in hand to us and the Saints. Team nearest to them in a bit of a free-fall, team that finished 3rd last season and nearest to Hearts financially currently in the relegation zone.

If Hearts beat Aberdeen at the weekend then Robson will be lucky to see Hampden the following weekend. If we beat Livi then Martindale will be out too IMO. There's little to no loyalty in football, even more so at Livi when relegation will put them in complete financial meltdown. If they can't afford to operate in the topflight with huge away supports from OF and large away supports from us and Hearts, along with decent TV money (compared to the championship anyway), they'll struggle massively in the lower leagues. Extra incentive for Saturday!

It's not that long ago they had a poll on there forum were 73% wanted naebadges out , think there was also rumours about unrest in the dressing room due to his methods too .

Though the last while that's seemed to have died down due to them winning a few games and him picking up the MotM award . The wins have only been by a single goal and in a few games they were bloody lucky imo .

I think Livvy might just stick with Martindale even if they go down . Robson and Kettlewell could be sacked this weekend depending on there results . Aberdeen lose to hertz and Motherwell lose to Saints could see both gone . I hope both Aberdeen and Motherwell win though , the longer bad managers last at rival clubs the better for us 👍
07-12-2023, 04:02 PM
Iain G

So is it Kettlewell or Robson next to be fired?
07-12-2023, 04:40 PM
HoboHarry

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Originally Posted by Iain G

So is it Kettlewell or Robson next to be fired?

Yes.
07-12-2023, 05:44 PM
Donegal Hibby

Aberdeen fans have a poll done on Robson and 90% want him out which is pretty unanimous. Also have a thread on wither they should go for Tony Mowbray as well , Lennon mentioned a few times too with some quite keen which i think is surprising.
07-12-2023, 06:32 PM
Bridge hibs

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Aberdeen fans have a poll done on Robson and 90% want him out which is pretty unanimous. Also have a thread on wither they should go for Tony Mowbray as well , Lennon mentioned a few times too with some quite keen which i think is surprising.

I would hate Mowbray to go there as I think he is levels above what they have and have previously had, Im sure though he will be after another championship pop
07-12-2023, 07:13 PM
Donegal Hibby

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Originally Posted by Bridge hibs

I would hate Mowbray to go there as I think he is levels above what they have and have previously had, Im sure though he will be after another championship pop

Don't think they'd have any chance of getting Mowbray tbh , Aberdeen fans living in a fantasy world as usual. Agree Mowbray will stay in the championship too 👍
07-12-2023, 07:20 PM
BILLYHIBS

So frustrating

This is all one big fluke I tell ye !
09-12-2023, 01:36 PM
Lago

Heckingbottom being quoted for the Sunderland job
09-12-2023, 04:52 PM
Dmas

Alex Neil looks to be on a shoogly peg at Stoke not going well at all natives are very restless
09-12-2023, 08:16 PM
The Modfather

Who will last longer, Johnson or Ten Hag?
09-12-2023, 08:17 PM
Northernhibee

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?
09-12-2023, 09:43 PM
ScottB

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

Who will last longer, Johnson or Ten Hag?

Ten Hag presumably safe until Ineos take over at the least…
09-12-2023, 09:50 PM
He's here!

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

He got them several quick wins after they looked relegation bound under Scott Brown, so they're still very much in touch with the teams sitting above the bottom four. Likely to pick up again if the 'streaky' tag is maintained.
09-12-2023, 09:53 PM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

What a terrible run that is
09-12-2023, 09:57 PM
WeeRussell

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Yup, same with Steven MacLean at St Johnstone.

He went from being a player with no managerial experience to an expert manager that knew it all within 24 hrs.

He would talk about the psychology of players and what was needed etc as if he'd been managing for decades.

It was clear as day he didn't understand what he was saying, and was trying to regurgitate stuff he heard Ferguson or Wenger say on the telly back in the day. Never a manager in a million years.

The top flight in Scotland has been littered with them the last 5 - 10 years.

What would you expect any manager to come out with though? He’s unlikely to say “I’m no really sure what’s required here as I’ve just started” and a good, long career as a professional player at a number of clubs playing with hundreds of different players, as well as his coaching work, surely gives him some sort of idea of what’s needed and how player psychology works?

It didn’t work out for him, and I’m not even arguing that management is necessarily for him, but I think Stevie is honest and hard working and wasn’t just pretending to be a manager.

It’s not a new thing or unique to Scotland for long servants of clubs to take over as their first management role. Sometimes they do well, sometimes they don’t.
09-12-2023, 10:01 PM
Forza Fred

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?
09-12-2023, 10:03 PM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Forza Fred

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

Don't Hearts have a manager already?
09-12-2023, 10:10 PM
WeeRussell

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Originally Posted by Forza Fred

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

Sounds like a good fit.
09-12-2023, 10:16 PM
EskbankHibby

I’d sack Naismith purely based on how he wears his winter jacket.

Can’t trust a man who puts his hands in the chest pockets.
09-12-2023, 10:20 PM
WeeRussell

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Originally Posted by EskbankHibby

I’d sack Naismith purely based on how he wears his winter jacket.

Can’t trust a man who puts his hands in the chest pockets.

I’d sack him for being a horrible wee hearts prick… but I guess that wouldn’t be logical for hearts to do.
09-12-2023, 10:29 PM
Keepthefaith

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Originally Posted by Forza Fred

Kevin Muscat has just left Japan with no as yet, advice as to where he goes next.

Could it be Hearts I wonder?

isn't he being touted for jobs in the English championship? Sunderland being one of them?
09-12-2023, 10:49 PM
Is It On....

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Fleetwood Town’s last five results:

0-3, 0-3, 0-4, 0-3, 0-3.

Lee Johnson’s jacket on a shoogly peg yet?

Rooney has 1 league win in 8 since taking over at Birmingham City and that was against Sheffield Wednesday (2nd bottom), a draw against Rotherham (bottom) and a draw against Ipswich's (2nd).
09-12-2023, 10:51 PM
Is It On....

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Originally Posted by Since452

Don't Hearts have a manager already?

Nope..they have two 👍😂
10-12-2023, 10:19 AM
heretoday

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Originally Posted by Is It On....

Rooney has 1 league win in 8 since taking over at Birmingham City and that was against Sheffield Wednesday (2nd bottom), a draw against Rotherham (bottom) and a draw against Ipswich's (2nd).

Once his employers stop being hypnotised by his celebrity he'll get the heave and someone more experienced like Mowbray will take over. The sooner the better.
10-12-2023, 11:50 AM
eastmainsmsh

Wonder if Ian Murray is catching eye of some clubs struggling in Spl doing great at Raith
10-12-2023, 01:42 PM
WhileTheChief..

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

What would you expect any manager to come out with though? He’s unlikely to say “I’m no really sure what’s required here as I’ve just started” and a good, long career as a professional player at a number of clubs playing with hundreds of different players, as well as his coaching work, surely gives him some sort of idea of what’s needed and how player psychology works?

It didn’t work out for him, and I’m not even arguing that management is necessarily for him, but I think Stevie is honest and hard working and wasn’t just pretending to be a manager.

It’s not a new thing or unique to Scotland for long servants of clubs to take over as their first management role. Sometimes they do well, sometimes they don’t.

He could talk about what he does know and understand?

This is his interview the day before he got sacked. How could he possibly expect his players to play for him after that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397

In the last few years most of these wannabe managers have failed.

In the league right now we've got Hearts, Aberdeen and Motherwell on the verge of changing managers again (or at least there's grumblings about it from their fan bases).

The one thing they have in common is that they managers with zero experience.
10-12-2023, 01:56 PM
greenlex

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Originally Posted by eastmainsmsh

Wonder if Ian Murray is catching eye of some clubs struggling in Spl doing great at Raith

He should be. Rhys McCabe has Airdrie punching above their weight by playing football the right way too.
10-12-2023, 02:39 PM
WeeRussell

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

He could talk about what he does know and understand?

This is his interview the day before he got sacked. How could he possibly expect his players to play for him after that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67246397

In the last few years most of these wannabe managers have failed.

In the league right now we've got Hearts, Aberdeen and Motherwell on the verge of changing managers again (or at least there's grumblings about it from their fan bases).

The one thing they have in common is that they managers with zero experience.

And in what part of that interview does he say anything about something he doesn’t understand? Ill advised and over the top, maybe. But what does he say that’s incorrect or him trying to be Fergie? If anything he was too honest as his assessment appeared spot-on (even the bit about them not playing for him again 😁)

Hibs have sacked a manager with a lot of managerial experience, rangers sacked Beale with ample coaching experience. Malky Mackay got punted recently. That’s off the top of my head (anyone else gone?)… so the managers that have been emptied in this league so far all have experience?

Neither hearts or Aberdeen are about to sack their managers. Whether there’s comments on kickback or here, or not. Hearts could be third again in a matter of days, Aberdeen have a cup final to look forward to, and played in Europe this season thanks to Robson’s pretty phenomenal turnaround when he took over… Admittedly he might be gone early new year depending on how the next couple of weeks go.

Kettlewell is currently managing his second club.

Again, players moving into coaching and management roles isn’t unique to our league, and they don’t all fail. This “ex-players pretending to be managers” thing is just a nonsense line in my opinion. The vast majority of managers across the world are ex players and all have to start somewhere.
10-12-2023, 03:02 PM
Billy Whizz

Queens Park Head Coach, Veldman sacked

https://queensparkfc.co.uk/veldman-leaves-queens-park/

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