Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Newsnight suggesting last night that Cummings might retain access to Downing St ('a hot desk') after he leaves, so it hardly sounds like he's being sacked. Probably just deciding to distance himself from the forthcoming January cluster****.

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They should certainly consider keeping him on some sort of retainer for the 2024 general election campaign. Like him or loathe him the guy was a brilliant, invaluable strategist when it came to delivering a yes vote in 2016 (the C4 drama Brexit: The Uncivil War starring Benedict Cumberbatch is worth a watch) and a landslide election win for Boris Johnson last Christmas. Within day to day government though he clearly rattles too many cages. It might turn out to be the right move for the Tories as they govern in a very different environment to the one Cummings would have planned for.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

They should certainly consider keeping him on some sort of retainer for the 2024 general election campaign. Like him or loathe him the guy was a brilliant, invaluable strategist when it came to delivering a yes vote in 2016 (the C4 drama Brexit: The Uncivil War starring Benedict Cumberbatch is worth a watch) and a landslide election win for Boris Johnson last Christmas. Within day to day government though he clearly rattles too many cages. It might turn out to be the right move for the Tories as they govern in a very different environment to the one Cummings would have planned for.

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Brilliant? Did you watch his Rose Garden performance?

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Originally Posted by G B Young

They should certainly consider keeping him on some sort of retainer for the 2024 general election campaign. Like him or loathe him the guy was a brilliant, invaluable strategist when it came to delivering a yes vote in 2016 (the C4 drama Brexit: The Uncivil War starring Benedict Cumberbatch is worth a watch) and a landslide election win for Boris Johnson last Christmas. Within day to day government though he clearly rattles too many cages. It might turn out to be the right move for the Tories as they govern in a very different environment to the one Cummings would have planned for.

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Yeah, if you don't care about the scorched earth ****show he leaves behind him everywhere he goes, he's great.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

They should certainly consider keeping him on some sort of retainer for the 2024 general election campaign. Like him or loathe him the guy was a brilliant, invaluable strategist when it came to delivering a yes vote in 2016 (the C4 drama Brexit: The Uncivil War starring Benedict Cumberbatch is worth a watch) and a landslide election win for Boris Johnson last Christmas. Within day to day government though he clearly rattles too many cages. It might turn out to be the right move for the Tories as they govern in a very different environment to the one Cummings would have planned for.

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Brilliant strategist? The only Tory I know thinks he's a complete fraud.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Brilliant? Did you watch his Rose Garden performance?

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:agree: It amuses me how some folk hold this chancer in some sort of reverence. Sold a massive lie and left the country to pick up the pieces. We are told he has this incredible political instinct and dizzying intelligence; he didn’t demonstrate either of those things in that ego led rose garden appearance. He got access to good voter analytics and bet his house that fear would be a more powerful motivator than hope and won the bet.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Yeah, if you don't care about the scorched earth ****show he leaves behind him everywhere he goes, he's great.

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He will have a new job lined up with Barnard Castle tourist Board

I made a prediction over a month ago that Johnston will not be PM at Easter. Especially as the Cabinet are full of highly talented decent human beings 😉

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

:agree: It amuses me how some folk hold this chancer in some sort of reverence. Sold a massive lie and left the country to pick up the pieces. We are told he has this incredible political instinct and dizzying intelligence; he didn’t demonstrate either of those things in that ego led rose garden appearance. He got access to good voter analytics and bet his house that fear would be a more powerful motivator than hope and won the bet.

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He didn't only win the bet but he and his chums scooped many millions of tax payers money. Mostly for stuff that didn't exist or didn't work.

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Originally Posted by Hiber-nation

Brilliant strategist? The only Tory I know thinks he's a complete fraud.

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Fraud? Fraud? Would a fraud surreptitiously alter a year-old blog to make it look like he'd predicted Covid-19?

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Originally Posted by G B Young

They should certainly consider keeping him on some sort of retainer for the 2024 general election campaign. Like him or loathe him the guy was a brilliant, invaluable strategist when it came to delivering a yes vote in 2016 (the C4 drama Brexit: The Uncivil War starring Benedict Cumberbatch is worth a watch) and a landslide election win for Boris Johnson last Christmas. Within day to day government though he clearly rattles too many cages. It might turn out to be the right move for the Tories as they govern in a very different environment to the one Cummings would have planned for.

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He is a snake oil salesman who has ****ed his country all for the benefit of a small elite bunch of already rich people. He conned the English into believing that there will be a bright new dawn by ditching Johnny Foreigner and isolating themselves from EVERY trading block on the planet. But dontcha know that the empire will help us out and those little countries of the commonwealth will be desperate to trade with us.
You have a very strange understanding of the word brilliant. I would replace that with underhand, devious, lying or any other number if words but brilliant wouldn't be one of the

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Originally Posted by Hiber-nation

Brilliant strategist? The only Tory I know thinks he's a complete fraud.

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Portrays himself as not part of any elite but allows his relatives and in laws free reign in the pig trough that is Govt PPE contracts. Apart from that and the Eugenics thing, which I'm sure many are willing to overlook, he's brand new.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

:agree: It amuses me how some folk hold this chancer in some sort of reverence. Sold a massive lie and left the country to pick up the pieces. We are told he has this incredible political instinct and dizzying intelligence; he didn’t demonstrate either of those things in that ego led rose garden appearance. He got access to good voter analytics and bet his house that fear would be a more powerful motivator than hope and won the bet.

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Didn't he? Whilst the Government was starting to hand out massive contracts to their cronies whilst failing to get to grips with the day to day management of this crisis the rage on social media was being directed at his wee drive in the country. He played a blinder.

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Originally Posted by jonty

Introducing “my little crony”
Showcasing Tory cronyism visually
https://sophieehill.shinyapps.io/my-little-crony/

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Three degrees of separation from Dido Harding?

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Didn't he? Whilst the Government was starting to hand out massive contracts to their cronies whilst failing to get to grips with the day to day management of this crisis the rage on social media was being directed at his wee drive in the country. He played a blinder.

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If the massive corruption goes unpunished it'll hardly be because he has brilliantly managed to keep it secret, will it?

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Didn't he? Whilst the Government was starting to hand out massive contracts to their cronies whilst failing to get to grips with the day to day management of this crisis the rage on social media was being directed at his wee drive in the country. He played a blinder.

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In terms of ‘Hey Look Over Here Everybody, Not Over There’, it worked to a very limited extent. I don’t think it really served to mask how corrupt and incompetent this Government is. In the sense that if you are the kind of person that pays attention to these things, we notice. If you don’t pay attention to these things, like a lot of the UK population that are perfectly happy with the way things are, you don’t notice, and were never going to whether DC grandstanded in the Rose Garden or not. As long as you give me Brexit, I don’t care if you **** the dog and burn my house down. At least we haven’t got that nasty Jeremy Corbyn, he’s an anti sémite you know.

I understand the criticism of Cummings and agree with a lot of it, but it's hard to argue that he hasn't achieved a lot for himself and his acquaintances. I can't speak for G B Young, but that's what I took he from his post above about the Tories considering keeping him involved in some capacity.

We can criticise his press conference performance all we like, but the reality is it helped to achieve what it was intended to achieve - it kept him in a job.

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Originally Posted by Future17

We can criticise his press conference performance all we like, but the reality is it helped to achieve what it was intended to achieve - it kept him in a job.

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Disagree. He was keeping his job for as long as he liked, whether he'd done that farcical 'press conference' or not.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Disagree. He was keeping his job for as long as he liked, whether he'd done that farcical 'press conference' or not.

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I suppose we'll never know whether that's true or not, but it allowed Johnson and chums to answer every subsequent question about Cummings with the line "Dominic Cummings has already answered all these questions" or similar, whether that was true or not.

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Originally Posted by Future17

I understand the criticism of Cummings and agree with a lot of it, but it's hard to argue that he hasn't achieved a lot for himself and his acquaintances. I can't speak for G B Young, but that's what I took he from his post above about the Tories considering keeping him involved in some capacity.

We can criticise his press conference performance all we like, but the reality is it helped to achieve what it was intended to achieve - it kept him in a job.

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Yep, I'm basing what I said on his achievements, the most prominent of which have been been essentially outsmarting the complacent remain campaigners by delivering a stunning Brexit result (and I say that as a remain voter) and masterminding Boris Johnson's demolition of Labour at the last election. I don't imagine he's a nice guy by any means but he gets the job done and Johnson has much to be grateful to him for (hence his reluctance to lose him).

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Yep, I'm basing what I said on his achievements, the most prominent of which have been been essentially outsmarting the complacent remain campaigners by delivering a stunning Brexit result (and I say that as a remain voter) and masterminding Boris Johnson's demolition of Labour at the last election. I don't imagine he's a nice guy by any means but he gets the job done and Johnson has much to be grateful to him for (hence his reluctance to lose him).

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I'm not surprised you, as a Tory voter, are basing your assessment on his "achievements" whilst remaining (ha) tone deaf to his cronyism, repellant views on Eugenics and general ****housery.


The skimming of cash for his pals and relatives from the public purse in the middle of a global pandemic is just weirdly ignored.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

If the massive corruption goes unpunished it'll hardly be because he has brilliantly managed to keep it secret, will it?

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Practically nobody was mentioning it as the contracts were being handed out and the money has already been trousered. Job done.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Practically nobody was mentioning it as the contracts were being handed out and the money has already been trousered. Job done.

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The details of said contracts are not published in real time as they are signed though are they? The government is supposed to publish details within 30 days but they have been sued for missing this deadline multiple times during the pandemic.

I’m not sure the timeline for Cummings-gate being a smokescreen really fits. He indiscretions came to light in late May while the contracts to Tory-donors came to light initially in mid-July and were headline news in early-August.

If they weren’t public knowledge until mid-July, a smokescreen in May seems a bit redundant.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Yep, I'm basing what I said on his achievements, the most prominent of which have been been essentially outsmarting the complacent remain campaigners by delivering a stunning Brexit result (and I say that as a remain voter) and masterminding Boris Johnson's demolition of Labour at the last election. I don't imagine he's a nice guy by any means but he gets the job done and Johnson has much to be grateful to him for (hence his reluctance to lose him).

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Essentially, you know he’s an evil ****, but he’s one of your ***** so he’s an admirable evil ****.

He didn’t ‘outsmart’ anybody.
To most of us, he’s just an evil ****.

Cummings gone with immediate effect.

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Originally Posted by Future17

Cummings gone with immediate effect.

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Farewell, and thanks for destroying everything.

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Originally Posted by Future17

Cummings gone with immediate effect.

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Gardening leave. 😂 Seen leaving downing Street carrying a box. Something I thought you only saw in American films.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Gardening leave. 😂 Seen leaving downing Street carrying a box. Something I thought you only saw in American films.

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It'll contain his toe nail clippings/bottles of his own urine etc.

Johnson doesn't seem to be a leader at all - takes orders from Cummings then when he wants to jump ship at a time of his own choosing takes orders from back-benchers. What a muppet he is. A walking talking oven-glove in a wig.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

The details of said contracts are not published in real time as they are signed though are they? The government is supposed to publish details within 30 days but they have been sued for missing this deadline multiple times during the pandemic.

I’m not sure the timeline for Cummings-gate being a smokescreen really fits. He indiscretions came to light in late May while the contracts to Tory-donors came to light initially in mid-July and were headline news in early-August.

If they weren’t public knowledge until mid-July, a smokescreen in May seems a bit redundant.

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The problems with the awarding of contracts was apparent long before mid-July. You can go right back to the awarding of the initial PPI supply contracts when it was obvious something wasn’t right when so many established suppliers were coming forward to say that their offer to help was being shunned.

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Originally Posted by Future17

Cummings gone with immediate effect.

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So Carrie is in charge now then. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

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Still using the front door. [emoji849]
Be nice to return to elected people running the country.


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