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A male rapist Adam Graham raped two women, after being charged there was a name change to Isla Bryson, in court the victims had to refer to the rapist using the pronouns she/her and the rapist is now in a women only prison.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbR9k9f9clU
Do you enjoy Julia Hartley-Brewers "style" of journalism?Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
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Does your right wing, anti-minority source mention that the person in question is also being kept isolated from the general population of prisoners, as is the case with all imprisoned sex offenders in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
What is their take on how well they think the female guards running the prison will treat this particular individual?
Why are they being kept isolated? A hunch is because a man shouldn't be in a woman's prison, especially a convicted rapist?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
They will be kept in Ross house it's a shared section with other women, shared showers gym ect. It's populated with largely mentally ill people they don't have enough female sex offenders for a wingQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Sex offenders don't mix with the general population of prisoners for very obvious reasons. Male, female, transgender.... etc. It makes no difference. The same applies regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
It's easy just to point out overly simplistic pieces of information such as "male transgender gets sent to female prison", without any additional context applied in order to put those "thoughts" into people's heads. The right wing media excels when it comes to deliberately vague narratives.
Do you agree with him being sent to a woman's prison?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Your making it sound like she will be in isolation. She'll be mixed almost exclusively with women who aren't sex offenders, most will have mental health issuesQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
A prisoner can be kept in the same wing, but still be kept isolated. They're given a different schedule from the other prisoners in order to avoid potentially problematic situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Prisons are not some free for all like they're depicted in the movies.
As I said before, we're not necessarily talking worst case scenario. Simply the fact that the proposed legislation will make it easier for any man who wishes to exploit it to enter women-only spaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Re 'Isla', I don't think it's hard to figure that whether isolated or not 'she' would prefer to be housed in a women's prison where she will be a figure of fear for many inmates rather than a men's prison where a convicted rapist would be fearful for their own safety.
I know about Ross Hall in Cornton Vale. She will not be isolated. They don't have schedules that keep them separated, there is barely the staff just now to keep it functioningQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
What's remotely vague about the narrative? This is the first time a trans-woman has been convicted of raping women in Scotland. 'She' has been sent to a women's prison which has, understandably, sparked a great deal of controversy. The story is broken down in exhaustive detail by numerous media sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
You might know more about that than me as it seems to be your go-to source for invalidating concerns over the SG bill...it does seem, however, that the Irish legislation has been far from harmoniously received:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://thecountess.ie/first-irish-p...gender-debate/
I thought the article I posted was informative and well-reasoned. Bearing in mind you proclaimed the use of an s35 as 'the end of devolution' it's probably fair to say the hurricane has well and truly hit Scotland.
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Originally Posted by 147lothian
Male rapist, with *****, sent to women's prison.
What a totally *****ed up idea.... and what's to stop it happening multiples times with other prisoners that decide totake advantage of this nonsense?
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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Is this is a 'right-wing, anti-minority source'?......
"Rhona Hotchkiss, a former governor of Cornton Vale and outspoken critic of the gender reforms, told the Guardian: “My fear was that under self-identification it would open the floodgates and open the prison service to legal challenge if [these individuals] weren’t moved to the women’s estate”.
She suggested that the frequency of segregation reviews meant the SPS would “struggle” to keep Bryson from mixing with other female prisoners."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rison-scotland
That might be handy. Would make a separate wing viable.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Interesting that you are trying to turn this into a left right issue. Surely with a class analysis you would recognise that the majority of women prisoners are poor, vulnerable and working class. And so protecting them is a class issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
According to this article Cornton Vale is due to close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://insidetime.org/cornton-vale-...-the-new-year/
Not sure if these are UK-wide stats, but it appears that only 1% of women prisoners are there for violent offences:Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1763192.html
While from a perceived 'right-wing' source, the farcical nature of this case is only heightened by the fact 'her' counsel argued that: ‘There is no way Isla Bryson could be described as a predatory male. If you accept that evidence, that she is transitioning, that she is aiming to continue on that path to becoming female gender, that goes a long way to acquitting her of these charges’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
​https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...s-gender-bill/
Do you have any concern whatsoever for the mental wellbeing of not just the statistically impoverished and vulnerable female prisoners or their female prison officers?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
This person will come into contact with females who know they are a double sex offender. Whether they ever get assaulted or not, they will feel the impact of the presence of a fox in the hen house.
On the subject of women's prisons, is it also wrong that there are male prison officers in charge of women in women's prisons?
Why would it be wrong? You do see a difference between someone who has committed a crime and is in prison for that reason and someone who happens to be working there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
You haven't thought this one through have you....
Convicted sex offenders/rapists of women on multiple occasions - not those ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Originally Posted by James310
For starters, all the talk of men entering women only spaces? Are women prisoners not allowed that right?
You are seriously comparing a man convicted of multiple rapes of women entering a woman's prison with an employee of the Scottish Prison Service working there? Are you on the wind up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Oh yes, I forgot. Male prisoners are rich, powerful and upper class.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Not sure where you got the idea that class had anything to do with this.
Some will call it transphobic, most will call it common sense
Uk gov to change the law so no one with a ***** will be housed in a female prison. Trans males regardless of genitalia won't be put in a female prison if they are convicted of a sexual offence.
This all could and should have happened with GRA ammendments
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...licy-framework
Do you really think class has nothing to do with the make up of prison population?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
SNP MSP calls for the policy of allowing rapists in woman's prisons to end.
https://twitter.com/AshtenRegan/stat...9aCuNUCdQ&s=19
"Rapists should not be placed in the women’s prison estate. Many female prisoners have been victims of male violence and are vulnerable. It is unacceptable - the policy must be urgently changed."
This will confuse people I am guessing seeing as it's only right wing Tories opposed to this.