In that his blog reads like an article in the Sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by magpie1892
Or did I misunderstand you?
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In that his blog reads like an article in the Sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by magpie1892
Or did I misunderstand you?
http://www.third-lanark.co.uk/Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I once answered something on that site, and ended up on an email list. Buggers wouldn't leave me alone after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by portycabbage
Wish they'd hurry up and die. :greengrin
Of course, you are completely right - it will run on and I will argue that oldco died and newco is a new co with no history beyond a D2 and a D1 title. Well aware that oldco fans will argue the opposite, but then of course they wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I understand the point about Murray owning RFC Ltd, which owned the "club". I'm saying it appears in the eyes of the law that the ''club" is (or was) RFC Ltd - based on the current RFC not being liable for previous debt, or able to hold the likes of Naismith to a contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I also think that it seems odd to say that the "club" isn't, at least in part, a company or business - given that most people would say that Murray owned Rangers, or Rangers were in Admin, or Rangers had employees, and (were meant to have) paid tax.:greengrin
I don't feel comfortable myself with the definition of "club" as just a company, but I don't think the two can be separated entirely.
You can't kill an idea man!:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Actually there appears to be about three of them currently in existence, as if the RFC identity conundrum wasn't enough.:sairhead::faint:
That's just it, though. That's not what the law says. The law doesn't have a view on what the "club " is. It has a view, however, on which company is liable for the debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by portycabbage
When BH were asked what they mean when they say they want to buy the "club", they mentioned the football licence. That's probably as close as we can get to a legal definition.
I think I'm saying the same thing in essence - the law's view only extends to "RFC = a Ltd company which is liable for x". I suppose it's whether people generally (rather than the law) think that the business side of a club is all/part of/separate to their definition of the "club".Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I'm not that up on football licences, or the BH bid, but some of these type of things seem less transferable than others - I'm thinking league and SFA membership for instance.
Chelsea fans own the pitch and the name Chelsea F.C. Perhaps BH could do the same with our club. ????Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It's not what they propose, but it's a possibility. A messy one, though, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by southsider
Leeann actually spoke about this at one of the fans forums if I can remember correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
The pitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Do you mean the ground?
She mentioned the pitch. Seemingly Chelsea fans one the pitch, which is linked to something, which means Romab can't move Chelsea from Stamford bridge without their permission?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
http://www.chelseafc.com/fans/chelsea-pitch-owners.html
Ah didn't know that. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Not sure that the 2 situations are similar, mind you. STF'S ownership comes from a more philanthropic angle than Abramovich. In any event, as I understand the suggestion that the club and ER as a whole are to be separated, the reasoning is the same ie to prevent ER being sold off.
Ah yes the old Holding Company Vehicle fantasy. Except you can't be a Club without being a Company - a legal entity. Rangers the club was incorporated in to the Company in eighteen oatcake, the two were synonymous and indivisible.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Only after the Company went bust did the Club suddenly become an ethereal body.
The name of the Company and the Club is written in to its wrought iron gates at Ibrox. The Clumpany went bust and The Rangers, a new Club, was born.
End of.
Only a subservient and fearful media refuses to accept this.
Its a great solution - it creates a check and balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Craig Whyte:
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Whyte: Rangers were doomed BEFORE I took over
FORMER Rangers owner Craig Whyte has spoken out about his Rangers takeover, claiming the club was ‘already bankrupt’ by the time he bought it for £1.
Speaking to The Sun, Whyte - who was arrested in Mexico last month - claimed that administration was on the cards for Rangers before he came on the scene.
He said: “Rangers would have gone into administration, before I came along, they were taking insolvency advice.”
And Whyte maintains he is innocent of any crime, adding: “I know that I have done absolutely nothing wrong.
“What everyone forgets is I’m the only person in recent years who hasn’t taken a penny out of Rangers.
“All I did was step in to try to rescue a situation that was already way beyond. It was my intention to take it forward as a business and not to see it in the sorry state it is in at the moment.” (The Sun)
And those of us who think differently :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
For the record, you don't have to be a company to be a member club of the SFA.
Tell me what happened to Gretna FC. How come they're a new club now?Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Why couldn't their unbroken history and honours be transferred to the new Gretna.
Likewise Airdrieonians?
Don't forget that when TRFC played their first ever game there were TWO 'Rangers' CLUBS. Players in that game were registered as trialists.
The reason for all this? The SFA and SPL were unable to comprehend that RFC the Clumpany; the combination of players and thing that paid their wages, ran the stadium etc went BUST. It ran out of credit and had to cease trading.
Do you deny that the SFA - as part of the secret 5 way agreement made up rules & memberships to allow 'continuity' Rangers to exist?
I would say you have hit the bull's eye there 180 !Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
Ditto again !Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
I can see the "same club" argument both ways, but let's face it where's the fun in saying that RFC did not die stone cold dead in 2012? It's only football, and if it lets us wind up that bunch of arrogant knuckle draggers, I'm quite happy to overlook any reasoned, informed views suggesting the contrary.
Rangers Football Club. Deid.
50.Quote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
Taking Airdrie first, do their support think that they are following the same team as before? If they do, that supports my argument about the emotional thing. If not, it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
Likewise Gretna.
As.for the 5 way agreement. ...I have no idea what was arranged. As you say, it was secret. I'm sure that we'd all like to know. However, I'm not sure whether we'd be any closer to settling the old club/new club argument.
Where did you learn to play darts?😕Quote:
Originally Posted by Weststandwanab
Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Maybe some of the secret agreement is about to spill and people are leaving town.
https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/...147393/photo/1
Well are we the same club? We were called Hibernians, formed in 1875. Played at Hibernians park. Went out of business in 1891 due to celtic taking half our team and heavy mismanagement and formed back again in 1892. Changed our name to Hibernian and moved to easter road. Why do we say we were formed in 1875 and not 1892? Does that mean we have only one the Scottish cup once in 1901-1902 season and not the 1886-1887 season?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hibernian_F.C.
I've had this argument thrown at me from Rangers fans and I just say 'ok I'll take the 1 Scottish cup and you lot accept you're a new club'Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinAyr
Shuts them up every time :greengrin
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Originally Posted by EdinAyr
There's a huge difference between reforming a dormant/defunct club and starting a new company specifically to dodge millions of pounds of debt accumulated by the old one.
Hope he gets the job and takes that numpty Doncaster with himQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Been confirmed on Talk Sport fat Sally away.
Announced on the London Stock Exchange.