2022-23 season non-Hibs games thread

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Originally Posted by He's here!

We had a reasonable run under Lennon but we were still a long way from making meaningful progress.

When you think of the calibre of clubs Hibs once competed with in Europe, these days (as you say) it's more about getting a decent wee trip out of the draw.

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At last, something about Hibs that you remotely enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

At least that's the JR love-in put to bed. Without doubt the most overrated manager in Scottish Football.
Talks a good game though.

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An interesting person. I nearly said intelligent but seeing his tactics in big games maybe not. Never forgive him for that Cup final. Best chance to win it in our history apart from maybe Clyde in 1958. His team was dire to watch. Worst since Calderwood.

Blessing in disguise not scraping into Europe last season. Imagine playing AZ Alkmar with Shaun Maloney in charge and folk like Jasper running about aimlessly. Convinced the outcome would have been worse than last night. Rather we got our house in order in built towards Europe next season.

It sort of sums it up when the attraction of playing in Europe is such that the fans can go on a major piss up. And we wonder why Scottish football is a joke.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I was thinking there’s a logical line of progression from Beatons performance as ref in the derby and Dundee Utds scoreline. When after decades we are STILL not penalizing foul play, time wasting, cheating, blatant obstruction and rewarding it, it’s not a surprise when other countries manage to flourish while we stagnate. I’ve said this before but if you watch a bit of ligue 1 or MLS or something and then go back to our league it’s like a different rule book. It starts with the officiating.

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.....Absolutely nailed it.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I was thinking there’s a logical line of progression from Beatons performance as ref in the derby and Dundee Utds scoreline. When after decades we are STILL not penalizing foul play, time wasting, cheating, blatant obstruction and rewarding it, it’s not a surprise when other countries manage to flourish while we stagnate. I’ve said this before but if you watch a bit of ligue 1 or MLS or something and then go back to our league it’s like a different rule book. It starts with the officiating.

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Absolutely right, hard to disagree with any of that, the problem also extends to the people who run the system and are therefore presumably happy with what they have created as a refereeing system and oversight of the type of referee and other officials they appoint.



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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I believe every Scottish team except Celtic and Rangers would have been on the end of similar scoreline last night.

It was a very depressing night for Scottish football, coupled with Motherwell's even bigger embarrassment a couple of weeks ago at the hands of the mighty Sligo Rovers.

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Was Motherwell's defeat really that embarrassing or even surprising? It's a long time since non Old Firm clubs have been comfortably beating Irish opposition or other leagues of that standard. Every other year we get these types of results and poor performances from Scottish clubs and people always seemed shocked. I think it was ridiculous that Alexander was sacked based largely on that tie.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

It sort of sums it up when the attraction of playing in Europe is such that the fans can go on a major piss up. And we wonder why Scottish football is a joke.

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Classic blame the fans, incredible

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Originally Posted by Musselbound

Was Motherwell's defeat really that embarrassing or even surprising? It's a long time since non Old Firm clubs have been comfortably beating Irish opposition or other leagues of that standard. Every other year we get these types of results and poor performances from Scottish clubs and people always seemed shocked. I think it was ridiculous that Alexander was sacked based largely on that tie.

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I'd say the Sligo result was worse than last night.

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC

Bad result - I seem to be one of the few who still supports all Scottish teams in Europe.

Just like I was supporting all the Scottish athletes in the CW Games, all the Scottish golfers in the majors, all the British players at Wimbledon etc. I thought that's what everyone did.

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I don’t think football is for you after reading this and some other of your other posts.


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Originally Posted by SlickShoes

Classic blame the fans, incredible

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It's the fault of the clubs. What have Hibs (or any other club) put in place to try and grow the Scottish game?

Why do Scottish clubs obsess about trawling lower European and American leagues to try and unearth someone they can get one good season out of and then try and flog for £1m?

The clubs just see scraping into the top 6 as a good season. And the fans demand change if they don't.

What do the ruling bodies do to try and get Hamilton, Dunfermline, Falkirk etc. back into decent shape?

Where is the plan to make things better in 5 years time?

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC

It's the fault of the clubs. What have Hibs (or any other club) put in place to try and grow the Scottish game?

Why do Scottish clubs obsess about trawling lower European and American leagues to try and unearth someone they can get one good season out of and then try and flog for £1m?

The clubs just see scraping into the top 6 as a good season. And the fans demand change if they don't.

What do the ruling bodies do to try and get Hamilton, Dunfermline, Falkirk etc. back into decent shape?

Where is the plan to make things better in 5 years time?

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I blame Motherwell and Dundee United for being utter gash. I doubt Hearts will be anywhere near as bad. I don't think it's down to the referees, clubs transfer policies or anything like that. Dundee United thoroughly deserved to beat them in the first leg and only have themselves to blame for the 2nd and sorry but Motherwell should be beating Sligo in their sleep. Nobody to blame but themselves and their own horrific performances.

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Originally Posted by Since452

I blame Motherwell and Dundee United for being utter gash. I doubt Hearts will be anywhere near as bad. I don't think it's down to the referees, clubs transfer policies or anything like that. Dundee United thoroughly deserved to beat them in the first leg and only have themselves to blame for the 2nd and sorry but Motherwell should be beating Sligo in their sleep. Nobody to blame but themselves and their own horrific performances.

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You must have been watching a completely different game from me last week.

Dundee United done a job on them but in no way did they thoroughly deserve to win imo. Alkmaar were the better side last week as well I’d say.

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Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC

It's the fault of the clubs. What have Hibs (or any other club) put in place to try and grow the Scottish game?

Why do Scottish clubs obsess about trawling lower European and American leagues to try and unearth someone they can get one good season out of and then try and flog for £1m?

The clubs just see scraping into the top 6 as a good season. And the fans demand change if they don't.

What do the ruling bodies do to try and get Hamilton, Dunfermline, Falkirk etc. back into decent shape?

Where is the plan to make things better in 5 years time?

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Re the point about the ruling bodies being at fault: it wasn’t the leagues fault that Hamilton Accies sent a million quid by wire transfer to a Nigerian Prince, or the SFA’s fault Falkirk scrapped a successful youth system that saw them hit their best levels in years, or that dunfermline are chronically lacking in any financial management. I’ve got acquaintances who are well itk at Dunfermline and they are absolutely appalled at the state of their club, but what are SFA supposed to do about it?

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Originally Posted by Musselbound

Was Motherwell's defeat really that embarrassing or even surprising? It's a long time since non Old Firm clubs have been comfortably beating Irish opposition or other leagues of that standard. Every other year we get these types of results and poor performances from Scottish clubs and people always seemed shocked. I think it was ridiculous that Alexander was sacked based largely on that tie.

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Say, like Motherwell, we'd scraped a Euro spot under Maloney (yes, big stretch of the imagination required) via a deeply uninspiring run of results and performances and we'd held on to him for this season. I'd certainly have expected him to be sacked if we'd crashed out to a League of Ireland side in that manner.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

What was embarrassing was not so much that they lost. As you say, a shock result or two can always crop up in the early rounds of cup competition. It was the fact they were so thoroughly outplayed in both legs and could have lost by more. They'd had a full round of League Cup group fixtures beforehand so the excuse that the Irish side were further into their season doesn't really hold much water.

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Motherwell didn’t play any league cup group fixtures, they get a bye for participating in Europe. The Sligo match was Motherwell’s first competitive game of the season.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

You must have been watching a completely different game from me last week.

Dundee United done a job on them but in no way did they thoroughly deserve to win imo. Alkmaar were the better side last week as well I’d say.

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I didn't watch it, but by all accounts I've read United played well in the first leg. What seemed OTT to me, however, was the outpouring of 'just like the 80s Euro glory days' coverage which accompanied the win. Just setting them up for a fall I thought.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Motherwell didn’t play any league cup group fixtures, they get a bye for participating in Europe. The Sligo match was Motherwell’s first competitive game of the season.

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I stand corrected :greengrin That gives them more leeway I admit, though it was still a shocker.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

I didn't watch it, but by all accounts I've read United played well in the first leg. What seemed OTT to me, however, was the outpouring of 'just like the 80s Euro glory days' coverage which accompanied the win. Just setting them up for a fall I thought.

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They played well much in the same way a smaller team has to play well to get a result against the OF. They dug in, made it difficult for Alkmaar and snatched a goal. I wouldn’t say they deserved to win though, Alkmaar had the better chances and far more of the ball imo.

Dundee v Arbroath on the tellybox

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

Dundee v Arbroath on the tellybox

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Could be a decent game this…hopefully anyway

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Originally Posted by Scorrie

Could be a decent game this…hopefully anyway

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i fancy Dundee will come back up but they will have a big rebuilding job to stay up the following season

charlie adam will be a big miss

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Originally Posted by Since452

I'd say the Sligo result was worse than last night.

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Possibly was given that Motherwell lost both games I think. But losing any game 7-0 is humiliating and I thought that was a hard watch last night.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Say, like Motherwell, we'd scraped a Euro spot under Maloney (yes, big stretch of the imagination required) via a deeply uninspiring run of results and performances and we'd held on to him for this season. I'd certainly have expected him to be sacked if we'd crashed out to a League of Ireland side in that manner.

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I don't think any manager should be sacked or have to resign one or two games into a season. I'm not sure if the league season was even underway. If Motherwell were that unsure of Alexsnder they could have sacked him last season like Hibs did with Maloney.

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

They played well much in the same way a smaller team has to play well to get a result against the OF. They dug in, made it difficult for Alkmaar and snatched a goal. I wouldn’t say they deserved to win though, Alkmaar had the better chances and far more of the ball imo.

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I felt Alkmaar were playing within themselves at Tannadice and were rightly confident they could turn it round. It was a good performance from United in the first leg but nowhere near as convincing as the media made out. A draw would've been a pretty fair result.

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

i fancy Dundee will come back up but they will have a big rebuilding job to stay up the following season

charlie adam will be a big miss

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I'm far from convinced Dundee will be good enough. Think it could be a very tight league this season with a number of teams in with a decent shout. Adam will indeed be a huge miss for them.

1-0 not too unexpected tbf

I wouldn’t be surprised if Arbroath are nearer the bottom of the league this year. Last year was fantastic for them but I’m not sure they can repeat. Scoring goals will be a problem for them

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Originally Posted by Musselbound

I'm far from convinced Dundee will be good enough. Think it could be a very tight league this season with a number of teams in with a decent shout. Adam will indeed be a huge miss for them.

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i think only Partick/Raith and Morton may mount a challenge to Dundee, though Raith have got of to a stinker obviously long way to go, wonder if we will see any surprise package this season like last seasons Arbroath

Ask this every time Dundee are on telly but what is going on with Paul McGowan’s heid? Looks like a lawnmower has been at it

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