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22-07-2020, 07:13 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.

Take it you already know what a foundling is.
22-07-2020, 08:06 AM
SHODAN

There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."

It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.
22-07-2020, 08:10 AM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."

It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.

Great point ..there is no coincidence that birth control whilst available for men, has been normalised as the duty of women ..despite the health risks involved ...
22-07-2020, 08:36 AM
HibernianJK

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.

lol @ thinking that Biden falls into the category. He’s Republican lite.
22-07-2020, 08:47 AM
neil7908

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

There's a quote from Veep that summarises the whole abortion debate perfectly for me: "If men could get pregnant you could get abortions from an ATM machine."

It isn't about morality or anything like that - when it comes down to it it's about controlling women.

This 100%.
22-07-2020, 10:32 AM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

Honestly in all my years I’ve very rarely read a post that’s made me want to tell the poster to **** off.
22-07-2020, 10:34 AM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

What's so hard to understand? In an ideal world, both parties would agree that when there's no contraceptive available, then sex should be off the table, but as men are idiots when the blood starts to flow, then it's up to the woman to say no because the last time I checked, it's not men who are lining up for free abortions.

You wait ages for a post that makes you want to say **** off then two come along at once.
22-07-2020, 10:35 AM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

I once made the mistake of watching a video showing how abortions are carried out as I genuinely had no idea. It was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen and was deeply disturbing. My line of thinking is, if you know you're not in a position to raise a child and you don't have contraception, then you must abstain from having sex. I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.

In cases of rape, incest or potential harm to the mother or baby then yes, abortion is perfectly acceptable.

I think it’s really healthy that you are now ‘coming out’ with your extreme ideological views. It saves us all from thinking we’re debating with a normal rational person.
22-07-2020, 10:39 AM
weecounty hibby

I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.
22-07-2020, 10:44 AM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.

The last couple of pages are going a long way towards explaining to me how America managed to get to where it is right now.
22-07-2020, 10:49 AM
Bristolhibby

Fair play to NYC coming out and saying what he believes in.

It’s so right of arc for my own head to get around it’s difficult to debate.

Like was said, you can see why America is so divided. There’s no way of finding a middle ground with these views. It’s either “you are with us or against us”.

You give ground on abortion, guns are there. You address guns, and it’s Mexican immigrants. You discuss the wall, it’s the fear of Muslim terrorists. You talk about that and it’s White Lives Matter. After that it’s Gay rights, The erosion of Christian Values (whatever the fek they are), Anti-Vaxers, Anti Masks (COVID is a hoax), etc.

Genuinely Don’t know where to go. The whole package is impenetrable.

I presume there’s message boards where these views are common and I would be seen as mental.

Even in the Bath Rugby message board, the mix is there. Left, right, everyone in the middle.

J
22-07-2020, 10:59 AM
DaveF

My daughter wants to do a 6 month education programme in the US but there is no ****ing way I'm sending her over. Sounds like she would be safer in Syria.
22-07-2020, 11:08 AM
Rocky

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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby

Fair play to NYC coming out and saying what he believes in.

It’s so right of arc for my own head to get around it’s difficult to debate.

Like was said, you can see why America is so divided. There’s no way of finding a middle ground with these views. It’s either “you are with us or against us”.

You give ground on abortion, guns are there. You address guns, and it’s Mexican immigrants. You discuss the wall, it’s the fear of Muslim terrorists. You talk about that and it’s White Lives Matter. After that it’s Gay rights, The erosion of Christian Values (whatever the fek they are), Anti-Vaxers, Anti Masks (COVID is a hoax), etc.

Genuinely Don’t know where to go. The whole package is impenetrable.

I presume there’s message boards where these views are common and I would be seen as mental.

Even in the Bath Rugby message board, the mix is there. Left, right, everyone in the middle.

J

It's scary stuff to read but we're kidding ourselves if we don't think we're on a path to the same place in the UK. The only question is whether it's inevitable that we'll arrive at the same place or whether there's still a chance to change direction.
22-07-2020, 11:15 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

Things I'm against:-

Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................

Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.

A lot of those are quite vague, though (e.g. Anarchy and lawlessness), and aren't something that is being prevented by having Trump as President.

Things like Tax Increases have been stated by Republicans as some sort of 'line in the sand'. However, if you examine the standard of living in a lot of countries that use higher taxes to take care of people in their hour of need, I think I'd have to disagree.

There are literally millions of people in the US worrying about non-existent healthcare, unemployment payments, sick pay, maternity pay, etc. Wouldn't it be better to having a caring society that actually helps people when they desperately need that help?

The comment about people being 'unwilling to work' is something that I hear a lot. It's basically used as an excuse to write off people as unworthy simply because they can't find a job. I really hope you're never in that position.

Finally, I'll never be convinced that keeping a law that was written at a time when your country was still some kind of wild frontier is relevant today. Compare the number of firearms murders (per head of population) with your neighbour Canada and you'll see the effect of a desire to live in the past.
22-07-2020, 11:26 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

Yikes
22-07-2020, 11:50 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

Yikes

He's got a point.

If she really doesn't want a baby, she should keep her legs crossed.

:duck:

:greengrin
22-07-2020, 12:02 PM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

I am truly saddened by the last page or so on this thread. Hopefully America comes to its senses and individuals like this are in the minority.

I share your views ..fair play for NYC to share what he doesn’t support ..although I note it is stuff he /she doesn’t support, rather than things they stand for ..for me, it could easily be a Katie Hopkins hate speech though ..such lack of support and empathy for those in need.
22-07-2020, 12:18 PM
Bristolhibby

It’s the American dream. Look after you and yours, work hard and you can be rich and President some day.

The biggest lie ever told.

J
22-07-2020, 01:56 PM
Future17

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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC

And that what I said, but ultimately, if the guy is being a dick (no pun intended) about it, it's up to the woman to say no as she is the one that stands to lose the most if she falls pregnant.

In this context, it's arguably the child (unborn or otherwise) who has the most to lose.

I really struggle with coming to a view on abortion as I don't think there's anything close to a "right" answer, but I don't think I've ever read a view like yours which strikes me as being so wrong. If I've understood your points correctly, you're not opposed to abortion, you're just opposed to the taxpayer paying for it and, because "men are idiots", women should bear the cost based purely on biology. On the assumption that you're a male taxpayer, I can't imagine a more blatant example of short-sighted self-interest.
22-07-2020, 02:00 PM
Future17

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:
22-07-2020, 02:45 PM
RyeSloan

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Originally Posted by Future17

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

Hmm I saw that and thought at the time it was a rather curious turn of phrase.

But then you can probably think that about anything the man says....
22-07-2020, 02:57 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Future17

Back on the main topic, I see Trump has said he wishes Ghislaine Maxwell well...she's accused of trafficking underage girls for sex and the President of the USA wishes her well. :confused:

It's a punctuation thing.

"I wish her, well......"
22-07-2020, 03:11 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by EAZY-ME

I dont think they would be grabbing random people for no reason. Its more likely intelligence lead apprehensions. They will have trawlled through hours and hours of footage and photos and used under cover officers. ....sadly i don't think we will get the full truth

If it can happen in the UK it most certainly can happen in the USA.

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/father-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331 AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15954305566368&referrer=https%3A %2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampsha re=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2*** %2Fhome-news%2Ffather-son-police-charity-bike-ride-london-tottenham-canal-a9590176.html
22-07-2020, 04:03 PM
EAZY-ME

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

If it can happen in the UK it most certainly can happen in the USA.

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.am...-a9590176.html

It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't
22-07-2020, 07:25 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by EAZY-ME

It also says that they were released at the scene once it was established they weren't part of the investigation. Sorry but if they had a description of a black male attacker then it makes sense they stop and search black males ..... its the police i feel sorry for they're dammed if they do and dammed if they don't

If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?
22-07-2020, 07:53 PM
AT8

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?

If the incident occurred in a predominantly black nation, then yes.
22-07-2020, 08:20 PM
Sylar

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Originally Posted by DaveF

My daughter wants to do a 6 month education programme in the US but there is no ****ing way I'm sending her over. Sounds like she would be safer in Syria.

As a lecturer at a pretty prestigious US institution, I'd support your stance right now to be honest. Campus culture is primarily fine - ignorant attitudes like those on display in this thread are in the minority. A lot of the kids on most US college campuses are bloody smart, and even where you DO have Republican/conservative supporting students/groups, their views are a lot more progressive than some of the prehistoric ideals that define the Republican base.

Having said that, venturing into the wider communities is a total pot-luck, depending on where the institution is based. There are plenty of great cultural experiences available by spending some time in the USA, but you need to do a lot of research. Right now, until the Covid-19 situation is under control, I'd advise any of my students against heading Stateside because their medical system is absolutely horrific.
22-07-2020, 08:43 PM
EAZY-ME

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

If the alleged attacker was white, would that justify them stopping any white men?

Of course it would......why wouldnt it?

For what its worth ..down south a lot of stabbings and shootings are carried out by people using mountain bikes to get away easier and blend into the crowds which makes the stop and search in the article more relevant
22-07-2020, 09:01 PM
bawheid

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Originally Posted by hfc_nyc

what point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.

omg_hfc_nyc
22-07-2020, 09:14 PM
AT8

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Originally Posted by bawheid

omg_hfc_nyc

I wasn't trying to say something controversial on purpose, I was trying (however badly) to advocate for personal responsibility.

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