Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.Quote:
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Fair enough. As I've said before, President Trump has my support, not because I think he's a swell guy, but because the prospect of a Joe Biden presidency gives me nightmares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Most Trump supporters say that. Before it was Hilary that gave them the fear. Really, they just hold the same values as him.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
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How extreme are your nightmares if they are worse thanQuote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
- hundreds of thousands of people dying unnecessarily as a result of his Covid response
- the army being deployed on the streets across your nation
- the president being close acquaintances with one of the countries most prolific sex offenders
- your president overriding the judicial system to get his friends out of jail
- redirecting millions of dollars due to help small businesses to the companies of his wealthy friends and donors
That's as lame an answer as I've ever heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Could you tell us why you want Trump. What values does he proclaim that you share?
What is it about Biden that gives you fear ?Quote:
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If the truth be told, I despise the "woke" liberal agenda that Democrats espouse, so for that reason, I have no choice but to support whoever is running against the Democrats.
Could you name a specific from the woke liberal agenda that you disapprove of?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
You surely need to go deeper than that....Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Is it his active human rights record and his anti violence against women agenda ?
Is it his affordable care act ?
Is it his free college for most ?
His low income housing policy ?
His support of the climate crisis...
Woke is a media manifestation....policies are what you are voting for....
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Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Facebook Word Salad. No dressing.
Things I'm against:-
Anarchy and lawlessness
Tax increases
Illegal immigration
Tax payer funded abortions
Trying to erase history
Tax payer funded handouts for those unwilling to work
Eliminating the 2nd amendment
The list goes on.....................................
Yes, I have conservative views so if that makes me the bad guy, then so be it.
Is woke a variation on snowflake? Are both just evolutions of the 'PC brigade' and 'PC gone mad'?
There never seems much substance behund their usage beyond an apparent fear of people and things that are different. I can't speak for others but I've always been confident enough of my own opinions to accept that others may disagree without resorting to what is essentially name-calling. As an example I has a difference of opinion with a friend about shared public spaces and trans woman recently, I didn't feel the need to call her 'woke' because we disagreed though.
I'd be intrigued as to why a 'woke liberal agenda' would discourage someone from voting for a party. Through my eyes it certainly seems preferable to the various isms and phobias that make up the incumbent alternative.
It's not a real thing, it's just one of those right wing cliches you hear from people who spend their days on Facebook and Breitbart. See also "erasing history", "all lives matter" etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I've seen you mention abortion before and I'm curious as to what you view the alternative as?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Abortion has been documented as far back as the times of the ancient Greeks and Romans. It is mentioned in the Old Testament of the Bible (interestingly it isn't mentioned explicitly in the New Testament). Whilst I can accept and sympathise with the moral conundrum that abortion presents and personally feel uncomfortable about the ending of a life, I also realise that it isn't going away.
Do you believe removing access to safe abortion will somehow eliminate the demand for it? Does placing abortion into the hands of private companies for profit make it less morally objectionable when compared to it being a tax payer funded procedure? Do you oppose abortion in all circumstances or only that which is funded through taxation?
Abortion in a safe, secure and supportive environment for anyone who require it seems infinitely preferable to me as opposed to a return to back street abortions and the associated risks. I absolutely understand why people are uncomfortable with the idea of abortion, I think a lot of people do, but I also realise there is no realistic alternative.
You can have any political views you want....even though those read like a cross between right wing Facebook / New York post agenda items... how about the things you stand for, rather than against??Quote:
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Biden has been in public service since he was 29...he has a pretty decent track record of credible achievements..That said, his anti inequality focus will certainly clash with your beliefs it would appear..
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Also, if it’s feckless layabouts that NYC can’t stand. Surely free and available abortions is a way to reduce one of his perceived problems (too many poor people living on handouts).Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I have much more respect for a poor girl who can’t afford a child having an abortion than the Republican lawmakers preventing her that right. Using the Bible to hide behind.
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There's a great American tradition which helped America be as good as it could be in the past called "The Social Contract". Seems that's dangerous and to be feared these days.
I once made the mistake of watching a video showing how abortions are carried out as I genuinely had no idea. It was one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen and was deeply disturbing. My line of thinking is, if you know you're not in a position to raise a child and you don't have contraception, then you must abstain from having sex. I just don't think it's right that my taxes should be used to bail someone out because they couldn't keep their legs closed.
In cases of rape, incest or potential harm to the mother or baby then yes, abortion is perfectly acceptable.
Sounds like you hate women.Quote:
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Really?Quote:
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Can men avoid getting women pregnant by keeping their legs closed?Quote:
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What point are you trying to make? Obviously it takes two to tango, but ultimately, it it's the responsibility of the woman to abstain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Feel like this thread is going back in time.
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:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
What's so hard to understand? In an ideal world, both parties would agree that when there's no contraceptive available, then sex should be off the table, but as men are idiots when the blood starts to flow, then it's up to the woman to say no because the last time I checked, it's not men who are lining up for free abortions.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1875godsgift
What’s so hard to understand is that this attitude still exists, it is equally both parties responsibility to abstain if in their best interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
And that what I said, but ultimately, if the guy is being a dick (no pun intended) about it, it's up to the woman to say no as she is the one that stands to lose the most if she falls pregnant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyser Sauzee
Yep, the excuse of "I only support Trump because Hilary/Joe are horrible" is bull****. They're fooling nobody, at least have the balls to admit you support Trump's actions, because by supporting him you support his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
What about the father's responsibility? Can he just ride off into the sunset or how do you plan to make him face up to the consequences of not being able to keep it in his pants?Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
That women have the role and responsibility to stop unplanned pregnancies is a view from Victorian days ....comes from the same school as blaming poor people for being poor. Devoid of social context .Quote:
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There's certainly been some illuminating social commentary regarding where the responsibility for safe sex lies over the last few posts.
None of it really answered my question about what the alternative is though. Easy ccess to condoms and the contraceptive pill has existed for decades yet unplanned pregnancies still happen. Providing access to abortion in a safe environment with a range of options discussed is one option. Forcing abortion back underground is the other. Given abortion has existed for thousands of years I think it is naive in the extreme to believe removing funding will end the practice. So what is the realistic alternative?
Finally the idea of not providing abortion because a woman couldn't 'keep her legs shut' not only screams misogyny but also seems to take us down a very dangerous road. Do we refuse treatment for lung cancer to smokers? Should people who holiday in the sun be refused treatment for melanoma? Should overweight people be refused treatment if they have eaten in McDonald's? After all they could have 'kept the lighter in their pocket', 'kept their shirt on' and 'stuck to salads'.