2024-25 season non-Hibs games thread

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Originally Posted by Springbank

the only benefit of a UK league is it would show a wide range of visiting supports how much nicer life is in the ancient European capital of Edinburgh than it is in Hard Brexit Britain

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Careful, you'll get a load of people on here soon telling you Edinburgh is a dump.

I've never felt comfortable with the ugly sisters leaving for the English leagues. Not because I have the slightest respect for them as organisations and would miss them, but because I've always felt it would reduce the Scottish league from it's already poor state to the status of the Welsh league. The 3 biggest clubs in Wales don't play in the Welsh league. And as a result the Welsh league is virtually meaningless. Imagine winning it and trying to claim the title of Scottish Champions when the two cheeks arent involved. I find the idea embarrassing to be honest. And yes, things are far from satisfactory as they are, I'm fully aware of that.

An all UK league doesn't really appeal to me either, and league reconstruction leading to a larger division, while it would make things more interesting for the away fan with more places to visit, wouldn't really achieve much else. Allowing more crap teams in isn't going to improve the standard.

Just a rubbish situation all round really, and I don't see a solution

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Do they have a bigger budget than most teams in the group stages?

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No, but they have a bigger budget than 8 or 9 teams in the competition (brest feyenoord salzburg young boys sturm graz red star the croatians, bratislava, not sure about girona or brugge but possibly them too. Finishing 24th out of 36 is all you need to do to progress.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

We really can't. So what hope would we have of winning anything in a far wider league set up? :greengrin

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We live in hope:greengrin

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

No, but they have a bigger budget than 8 or 9 teams in the competition (brest feyenoord salzburg young boys sturm graz red star the croatians, bratislava, not sure about girona or brugge but possibly them too. Finishing 24th out of 36 is all you need to do to progress.

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Id imagine the difference in finance between most of those teams and Celtic is fairly small. They'll be less of a financial gap between Celtic and Feyenoord compared to Celtic and Dortmund certainly.

Any team which think they're going to do well in Europe with Liam Scales at the back deserve every humping they get.

They should’ve spent the money which went on Idah, 9 or 10 million😂 on a decent left centre half and left back. Honestly wouldn’t be that excited if we signed Scales/Taylor.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

That Celtic back 4 last night was as poor as i've seen from them for a number of years. And the keeper is well past his best too.

Scottish football is sheite, it really is, but it's our sheite and bar them it's quite competative.

Even the huns have come back a bit to the the group below now.

Celtic will still win most of the trophies, but they will never attract real quality that improves them to the next level while playing in Scotland.

I dont know how they get better, and that must be a worry for them, apathy could very well set in with their support. :greengrin

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Pretty well this.

The fact is the advent of the 'so called' champion's league has to a large extent caused what was a big disparity in finance to become a massive yawning chasm. Clubs who were already dominant in leagues like ours have now been handed the ability to be utterly dominant. So thanks for that UEFA.

The other fact is that unless some sort of European league is formed we are stuck with Celtic ( and Sevco ) because there is no chance they will ever be accepted into the English system, for the simple fact that there would be no benefit to the already super rich English game. They have a plethora of big clubs sitting outside of the premier league who would not welcome in the slightest competition from two clubs easily capable of competing with them for a place at the top table .... Leeds United, Sheffield United / Wednesday, Sunderland, Norwich City, Derby County, Stoke City etc etc etc ... to them the Uglies would be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit.

It is what it is. As for me I don't get hung up on the uglies presence. For me the Scottish premiership has 10 teams Hibs compete with and two fixtures where an unlikely point or two is a bonus that gives us an advantage over those clubs.

I've said it before. I would see no shame in the fans of the clubs outside of the uglies getting together and conceiving a 'fans trophy' presented to the non ugly club who finishes highest up the premiership. In a normal sporting environment I could get why folk would baulk at that ..... but in a country where only two clubs have won the top league in 40 years, with that highly unlikely to change any time soon, due to nothing more than a massive financial disparity we have anything but a normal 'sporting' environment.

If nothing else given enough publicity it would make news elsewhere .... Hell, given Paddy Power's propensity for taking the piss ... EG paying out on Celtic before a baw was kicked, I wouldn't put it past them to agree to sponsor the bloody thing :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Saint Hibee

Any team which think they're going to do well in Europe with Liam Scales at the back deserve every humping they get.

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I said it a few times to Celtic fans here about Scales and Taylor … Scales is getting away with it at Celtic because they’re not under the same pressures in our league , when he was at Aberdeen he looked a liability which he was against us a couple of times .

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Originally Posted by ionahibby

The problem is Celtic don’t have much of a challenge back home, the minute they meet a decent football they crumble. Scotland needs a bigger league, a top league of 20 teams. Would make things more interesting as well

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Couldn’t disagree more. The gap between Celtc and Dortmund is far less than that between Celtc and Dortmund. Rodgers poor tactics cost them. It’s like Hibs playing Dalkeith thistle then employing the same tactics v Celtc.

Larger league would do nothing to improve the quality of any team.

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Originally Posted by ionahibby

The problem is Celtic don’t have much of a challenge back home, the minute they meet a decent football they crumble. Scotland needs a bigger league, a top league of 20 teams. Would make things more interesting as well

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Thats the same *****y line the press and Celtic have been using for decades, its our fault they are outclassed in Europe.

Adding 80% of the championship, including such giant slayers as Greenock Morton and Arbroath will do nothing to add to their challenge domestically.

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Originally Posted by hibee-boys

They should’ve spent the money which went on Idah, 9 or 10 million😂 on a decent left centre half and left back. Honestly wouldn’t be that excited if we signed Scales/Taylor.

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I think Taylor is decent. Nothing all that exceptional for their level but good enough and would be an excellent signing for us imo.

Scales is ***** though, agree on that front.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

A UK league would see us never play in Europe or win anything ever again. **** that.

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We're not exactly prolific winners in a Scottish league. Last won the title 72 years ago...

There seems to be a general consensus that Scottish football is crap and absurdly imbalanced. Continuing to just accept that because an alternative is too much hassle seems defeatist. There's no reason a better resourced club of our size couldn't reach at least Championship level in a UK league. Stacks more attractive games there than Motherwell away.

Celtic's tactics were to play their ordinary pressing game. This was a game for a measured defence and trying to get something on the break. This is like our attempts to beat Celtic with the press, they have better players and can beat the press, even Dundee beat our press. If Celtic don't realise where they stand in the rankings of European football, this game showed them. They can't just play the Celtic way against the big teams

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Originally Posted by andrew70

they bought Arne Engels for a club record £11million fee.

They will continue to invest too but a lack of a proper tactician means they’ll struggle in Europe.

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He looked rotten last night.

Aberdeen lose Gueye for 14 weeks due to a muscle tear - chance to now catch them 👀

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Originally Posted by IanM

Aberdeen lose Gueye for 14 weeks due to a muscle tear - chance to now catch them 👀

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They still won without him last weekend and the problem is we're without Bowie for most of the season. Even at this stage we'd have to go some to overcome a 13-point gap ie win 5 games and hope they lose 5. With just one win under our belts so far it's probably best just to focus for now on getting another win on the board.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Id imagine the difference in finance between most of those teams and Celtic is fairly small. They'll be less of a financial gap between Celtic and Feyenoord compared to Celtic and Dortmund certainly.

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Actually, youre right about Feyenoord, according to Transfermarket they have a squad value of twice celtics, so my bad, my knowledge of dutch football isnt as good as it could be :greengrin

I suppose the key thing is, the new format is perfect for that high 3rd tier or low 2nd tier of european teams to enter the latter stages. The champions of mid level leagues like Scotland, the scandinavan countries, central snd east european champions like Sparta Prague say, as well as the ‘alsorans’ in the french italian and german leagues now have extra spots to fight for. Celtic know this is the year they can make a leap if they dont mess it up.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

We're not exactly prolific winners in a Scottish league. Last won the title 72 years ago...

There seems to be a general consensus that Scottish football is crap and absurdly imbalanced. Continuing to just accept that because an alternative is too much hassle seems defeatist. There's no reason a better resourced club of our size couldn't reach at least Championship level in a UK league. Stacks more attractive games there than Motherwell away.

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We'd likely spend most of the time languishing in League 1 and on the occasions where we do successfully make it into the Championship, the novelty of playing sides like Watford and Hull City would wear thin pretty quickly. The games wouldn't carry much stake either. Our away crowds to anywhere south of the North of England would be almost non-existent, as would their crowds to our stadium. Do we really just want to be another Luton Town or Huddersfield town? Increased TV coverage would also cause our home crowds to dwindle over time.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

We're not exactly prolific winners in a Scottish league. Last won the title 72 years ago...

There seems to be a general consensus that Scottish football is crap and absurdly imbalanced. Continuing to just accept that because an alternative is too much hassle seems defeatist. There's no reason a better resourced club of our size couldn't reach at least Championship level in a UK league. Stacks more attractive games there than Motherwell away.

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What's in it for English football? Injecting the imbecilic, nasty poison that is Old Firm rivalry into top tier games is hardly a flavour anyone would want to bring upon themselves. Many English clubs despise The Rangers fans in particular.

The offshoot would eventually be, losing the despensation from FIFA to continue with the 4 home associations having separate national teams.

A UK team would hardly be palatable, for either Scotland or Engerland.


In other words, never, ever going to happen.

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Originally Posted by IanM

Aberdeen lose Gueye for 14 weeks due to a muscle tear - chance to now catch them 👀

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Dundee utd top scorer Trapanovski out for our game too .

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Originally Posted by He's here!

They still won without him last weekend and the problem is we're without Bowie for most of the season. Even at this stage we'd have to go some to overcome a 13-point gap ie win 5 games and hope they lose 5. With just one win under our belts so far it's probably best just to focus for now on getting another win on the board.

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Aberdeen will have a bad spell soon enough. Hopefully we've had ours

Miovski starting in a Champions League game. Some move for him that. Losing 2-1 at home to Feyenoord, but still.

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Originally Posted by Numptie

Celtic's tactics were to play their ordinary pressing game. This was a game for a measured defence and trying to get something on the break. This is like our attempts to beat Celtic with the press, they have better players and can beat the press, even Dundee beat our press. If Celtic don't realise where they stand in the rankings of European football, this game showed them. They can't just play the Celtic way against the big teams

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It's all our fault. Lack of any competition (other than the very odd Hun game) means that Celtic can play whatever game they like Sat to Sat. If they lose a goal, they're sure to score 2 or 3. There is ZERO risk in Celtic playing an expansive, attacking game in Scotland.

Take that same game and attitude into Europe against the better sides and they get a glimpse of exactly why smaller, less affluent, Scottish teams go to Celtic Park and park the bus :greengrin. Shed no tears for naive Celtic.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Miovski starting in a Champions League game. Some move for him that. Losing 2-1 at home to Feyenoord, but still.

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Can’t believe Aberdeen got 8 million. He’s never worth that. Fantastic deal for the Sheep.

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Originally Posted by Kato

What's in it for English football? Injecting the imbecilic, nasty poison that is Old Firm rivalry into top tier games is hardly a flavour anyone would want to bring upon themselves. Many English clubs despise The Rangers fans in particular.

The offshoot would eventually be, losing the despensation from FIFA to continue with the 4 home associations having separate national teams.

A UK team would hardly be palatable, for either Scotland or Engerland.


In other words, never, ever going to happen.

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Money

Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle have all welcomed investment from human rights abusing states, I doubt the league are going to give a hoot about some dodgy songs if it helps boost their coffers.

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Originally Posted by HOOJ O45

Can’t believe Aberdeen got 8 million. He’s never worth that. Fantastic deal for the Sheep.

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Just missed a penalty for the equaliser after winning the penalty. Soft penalty award though.

Having a tough time of it at Girona. Yet to score

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Originally Posted by Numptie

Celtic's tactics were to play their ordinary pressing game. This was a game for a measured defence and trying to get something on the break. This is like our attempts to beat Celtic with the press, they have better players and can beat the press, even Dundee beat our press. If Celtic don't realise where they stand in the rankings of European football, this game showed them. They can't just play the Celtic way against the big teams

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Too many SPL teams in recent seasons (Hibs included) have given Celtic far too much respect. The tactics of standing off them allowing them to pass the ball about is suicide. Their level of player is far superior to any other Scottish club and the only way to play against them is to cut their space and get in their faces.

Needs astute coaching and fit players of course but over 90 minutes clubs like Hibs should be able to be competitive against them.

Borussia did that expertly last night. They forced Celtic into mistake after mistake and of course had top quality players to then pump them.

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

Too many SPL teams in recent seasons (Hibs included) have given Celtic far too much respect. The tactics of standing off them allowing them to pass the ball about is suicide. Their level of player is far superior to any other Scottish club and the only way to play against them is to cut their space and get in their faces.

Needs astute coaching and fit players of course but over 90 minutes clubs like Hibs should be able to be competitive against them.

Borussia did that expertly last night. They forced Celtic into mistake after mistake and of course had top quality players to then pump them.

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Getting in their faces just as likely to end in a hiding tbh. Difference in quality is too big.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Getting in their faces just as likely to end in a hiding tbh. Difference in quality is too big.

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Surely better to risk a 5 or 6-0 with the chance of winning than to play for a conservative 2 or 3-0 defeat? That Celtic defence is nothing special, they just don't get properly tested in the SPFL because teams are too wary of their attacking ability. I reckon just about any team in the league that has a right good go at them will stand a better chance of beating them than simply holding on for dear life at the back.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Money

Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle have all welcomed investment from human rights abusing states, I doubt the league are going to give a hoot about some dodgy songs if it helps boost their coffers.

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That's a giant "if" at the end there. It's not just dodgy songs though, is it. A lot of English fans hate their "friendly" visits with a passion.

If anything changes in England it would be some sort of Super League, which would include the OF out.

If it was going to happen it would have happened in the 00s, when money would have been a factor. As it is now, nah.

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

Money

Arsenal, Man City and Newcastle have all welcomed investment from human rights abusing states, I doubt the league are going to give a hoot about some dodgy songs if it helps boost their coffers.

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Putting Arsenal in the same sentence as City and Newcastle :faf:


English authorities quite quickly deal with discrimination in the stands. Much better than we do.

Got to feel sorry for SJM missing out on a big occasion like this.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

English authorities quite quickly deal with discrimination in the stands. Much better than we do.

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You're basing this on what? England don't have a Rangers in their top league to deal with and even if they did, they'd likely do nothing to upset the "loyalists" as long as they're only discriminating against the so called "anti-British" types.

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

You're basing this on what? England don't have a Rangers in their top league to deal with and even if they did, they'd likely do nothing to upset the "loyalists" as long as they're only discriminating against the so called "anti-British" types.

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Of course they'd be dealt with in England. Society in England has problems but that isn't one of them

Some atmosphere at Villa Park.

Mon Bayern

I love any chance to laugh at the misfortune of the huns, but an 8pm KO vs St Johnstone on a Sunday is utterly bonkers. 2 hours after the subway closes, just before most Sunday rail services cease…

Another great example of no joined up thinking from the SPFL blazers. I know Sunday is the Great Scottish Run so its a bit of an unusual situation but deary me…

I think once Bayern score they could get 4 or 5.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Just missed a penalty for the equaliser after winning the penalty. Soft penalty award though.

Having a tough time of it at Girona. Yet to score

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Looked a clear dive not a surprise

1-0 Villa, VAR says no. 0-0

WOW. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Offside

Just listening to the Villa game on the radio and the roar that came from the (non) goal was spine-tingling.

Here's hoping they score a legitimate goal

I think Villa might run out of steam here and Bayern will pick them off. Villa play very high intensity which surely must take its toll.

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Originally Posted by JohnM1875

Just missed a penalty for the equaliser after winning the penalty. Soft penalty award though.

Having a tough time of it at Girona. Yet to score

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It was a good much that. Had a bit of everything. Some change in Girona's fortunes since I lived there about 20 years ago!

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Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee

We'd likely spend most of the time languishing in League 1 and on the occasions where we do successfully make it into the Championship, the novelty of playing sides like Watford and Hull City would wear thin pretty quickly. The games wouldn't carry much stake either. Our away crowds to anywhere south of the North of England would be almost non-existent, as would their crowds to our stadium. Do we really just want to be another Luton Town or Huddersfield town? Increased TV coverage would also cause our home crowds to dwindle over time.

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Indeed.

Can forget about any competitive European games as well which are a target for any half decent Hibs team. I've seen us qualify for Europe with teams which were p*sh. It's a huge benefit for the club and in turn the support as well.

1-0 Villa

What a ****ing goal.

What a finish Duran👏

Outrageous goal from Duran. Not sure where the Bayern keeper was meant to be

Duran is making David Fairclough look like a rookie :) For the auld yins.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch

Why?

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Coz I hate celtic and they got royally pumped.

Unai Emery has done a fantastic job at Villa since taking over from Gerard .

What a result for Villa 👏🏻

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Unai Emery has done a fantastic job at Villa since taking over from Gerard .

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Incredible job.

So good to see a team and fans not spoilt by success looks like it’s rocking down there

Fair play to the Villa

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Originally Posted by LaMotta

The original poster said last night was the most enjoyable game they'd seen since Hibs won the Scottish cup and the poster quite justifiably asked why.

There isnt a stranger type of Hibs fan than one who claims they enjoyed last night's Celtic defeat more than numerous Hibs wins over the last 8 years including ones over Hearts, Celtic, Rangers, Hampden wins and european victories.

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Thanks for suggesting I am a strange kind of Hibs fan, I can assure you I am normal. I do love beating the teams you mention but how does that stop me enjoyjng Celtic getting annihilated. And for your info it was a superb game of attacking football, when did you last see a game like that involving Hibs?

Martinez is some goalkeeper

Martinez, the villa keeper is an absolute **** but he's some keeper

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Originally Posted by Hiber-nation

You enjoyed that more than us beating Hearts? Really?

For me a spawny 1-0 over St Johnstone would be more enjoyable than watching any Celtic game.

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So I am guessing that by your reasoning I am not allowed to enjoy a pulsating exciting match with 8 goals and the added bonus of celtic being pumped more than watching a borefest of Craig Levines non football with Hibs winning 1-0!

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Originally Posted by HoboHarry

Duran is making David Fairclough look like a rookie :) For the auld yins.

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Oi, I remember David Fairclough and I'm not that old.......well, maybe lol

Martinez such a character, goalies lack that these days. Touch of class giving young fan his strip at end. Goalie you love if he’s in your colours not so much anywhere else. Some result villa, football journey that’s been good to follow back to the top of the game.

Looking forward to Villa giving Celtic a pumping at Villa Park.

Didn’t know who David Fairclough was , for those who didn’t like me , some player btw …

https://youtu.be/TIsbR24T2qg

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Originally Posted by 007

Looking forward to Villa giving Celtic a pumping at Villa Park.

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John McGinn hat-trick please.

It’s mental to think that you can be the manager of Burnley, get relegated from the Premier League then become the Bayern Munich manager. Pure mind boggling man.

Emery doing a great job again this season, was always going to be tough for them to replicate last season's league finish, doing well so far in both the league and Champions League.

Rogers has developed into a great wee player over the past few years.

After 20 minutes I thought it was only a matter of time before Bayern scored and ran away with the game. Villa's resistance was terrific and they made chances too. Martinez must be up there with the best in the world if not the best, he was outstanding. So pleased for Villa and SJM.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

After 20 minutes I thought it was only a matter of time before Bayern scored and ran away with the game. Villa's resistance was terrific and they made chances too. Martinez must be up there with the best in the world if not the best, he was outstanding. So pleased for Villa and SJM.

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And people mocked us when Villa gave us a chasing at Easter Road last season. Top team.

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Originally Posted by linlithgowhibbie

So I am guessing that by your reasoning I am not allowed to enjoy a pulsating exciting match with 8 goals and the added bonus of celtic being pumped more than watching a borefest of Craig Levines non football with Hibs winning 1-0!

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Nah no having that. Any win against them is a million times better than watching any other teams game.

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Originally Posted by Since452

And people mocked us when Villa gave us a chasing at Easter Road last season. Top team.

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Our 3-0 down there wasn't too bad and it was a cracking atmosphere in the Hibs end.

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Originally Posted by Since452

And people mocked us when Villa gave us a chasing at Easter Road last season. Top team.

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Was there much mocking? Everyone knew we were likely to lose heavily.

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Originally Posted by GreenNWhiteArmy

Martinez, the villa keeper is an absolute **** but he's some keeper

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That he is. I also think his persona helps him, puts a little doubt into the forwards well before the game starts and he backs it up with some great saves.

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

That he is. I also think his persona helps him, puts a little doubt into the forwards well before the game starts and he backs it up with some great saves.

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Same as Pickford.

It's the one position on the park where your demeanour can have almost as much impact on performance as how you actually perform.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Same as Pickford.

It's the one position on the park where your demeanour can have almost as much impact on performance as how you actually perform.

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I know you aren't making a comparison but Pickford couldn't lace Martinez's boots.

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Originally Posted by erin go bragh

Nah no having that. Any win against them is a million times better than watching any other teams game.

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Thing is I respect your opinions! Doesn't make either you or me right/wrong tho!

Think a few Hearts fans have flown out for todays game
Thought it was closed doors?

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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse

I know you aren't making a comparison but Pickford couldn't lace Martinez's boots.

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Dunno, Pickford is a very good keeper. Not as clutch as Martinez but not far away overall.

Goalkeeping is an excellent standard right now imo. Many many excellent goalies.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Same as Pickford.

It's the one position on the park where your demeanour can have almost as much impact on performance as how you actually perform.

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The most angry man in the world when called on to do his job!

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Personally think Pickford was about the 23rd best keeper at the euros
Nearly everything on target against him was a Goal

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Think a few Hearts fans have flown out for todays game
Thought it was closed doors?

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It is.

Billy Dodds is an absolute dinosaur

according to a BBCHeartz reporter Heartz fans "Live" for away games in Europe, yep, they "Live" for them


heartz fans are used to playing under a crackling atmosphere :faf: behave

Minsk were happy to get the game played at nuetral venue instead of facing hearts at a boisterous tyncastle.....aye right 😄

This game sounds just like Tynie

The atmosphere is electric.

Devlin rolling about already. Relentlessly annoying wee dick.

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Originally Posted by Springbank

Personally think Pickford was about the 23rd best keeper at the euros
Nearly everything on target against him was a Goal

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17 saves, 3rd most at the tournament.

Michael Stewart waffling about how much better Hertz look.

Will take a guess that Fox is his mate.

Now defending a horrific lunge by the Hertz right back.

No idea why there's no fans at Minsk but they're missing nothing with these 2 teams, the football is stinking by both.

Surprised the referee didn’t book the hertz player for that tackle

20 minutes of Michael Stewart's pointless pish about all that's wrong with hearts. Any chance of commentating on the actual game?

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Originally Posted by J-C

No idea why there's no fans at Minsk but they're missing nothing with these 2 teams, the football is stinking by both.

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I usually don't mind watching Scottish teams in Europe but I've turned it off. Painful viewing.

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Originally Posted by we are hibs

20 minutes of Michael Stewart's pointless pish about all that's wrong with hearts. Any chance of commentating on the actual game?

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I have had to mute the TV. Relentless slavering.

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1-0 Minsk

Peach, 1-0 Minsk.

Up yeez jambos

Did Stewart say just before the goal to give the job to John McGlynn?

Get in 😅