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Russia wrote the script, those idiots just read their lines.
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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
ah, the not so lovely Moscow Marj
****ing Newsnight allowing more airtime to that Carla Sands horror, whom Victoria Derbyshire interviewed the other week.
Parroting bull**** about Ukraine being the most corrupt country in the world, that Zelenskyy is an authoritarian, and that the US won’t fund “another yacht for him”.
These times call for serious debate, not this ****ing juvenile reality TV bull****.
I watched his interview on C4 News. Tremendous. Certainly didn’t hold back.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Don’t say bad things about my mate:
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1895605393944166536
If I were him, I’d organise a national Stars and Stripes burning at 6pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
It’s absolute gaslighting. I’m horrified at what’s going on in the world just now. It’s like some sick dystopian nightmare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
They knew exactly what they were doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
And Sarah Smith's old man will be spinning his grave after her shameful pro-Trump report. Couldn't believe what I was hearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Yep incredible how successful they have been. Good summary. Our media will have accurately reported all this so the people are informed as they possibly can be. On the other hand….Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
What did she say?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Putin probably in one of the west wing back officesQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
She should wear a MAGA hat when she is on. [emoji35]Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
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Made out that Zelensky was the aggressor basically. Said that he received a "dressing down" from Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
She's a terrible journalist and the complete opposite to what her father was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
A Swedish psychologist's take on the exchange...
"Today it became painfully clear what narcissistic exercise of power and psychopathology look like when Trump humiliated Zelenskyj openly in the Oval Room. In front of the world's accredited journalists, he called Zelenskyj "disrespectful," questioning his loyalty and insinuating that he did not deserve the support of the United States. As if that were not enough, he warned that Zelenskyj could cause a Third World War - a classic psychopathological trait in which threats are used as a means of control.
It wasn't just a display of bad diplomacy - it was a demonstrative manifestation of power characterized by narcissism and psychopathy.
Grandiose self-image and need for submission
- Trump expected Zelenskyj to show gratitude and admiration. When it didn't happen, he punished him in public. People with narcissistic personality disorder cannot handle having their self image questioned and use humiliation as a defense.
Manipulation and threats
- Blaming someone for potential disaster is a classic psychopathic tactic. By saying that Zelenskyj is “playing with World War III,” he puts the blame on him, while positioning himself as the only one who can prevent the catastrophe.
Impulsive and emotionally controlled power exercise
- When Trump felt challenged by Zelenskyj, he interrupted the meeting abruptly. A stable and strategic leader had handled the situation diplomatically, but a person with psychopathic traits reacts instinctively on the basis of his own sense of loss of control.
But why did he do this to the press? This is why narcissists and psychopaths love to show their power in public. By humiliating Zelenskyj in front of the world, he is sending a signal—not only to him, but to all leaders and nations: “I am the one in charge, and whoever does not obey will be crushed. ”
What we saw today was not just a president acting inappropriate. It was a school example of how narcissistic and psychopathic leaders use humiliation, threats, and manipulation to assert their power. And just like in destructive relationships, it's never about building, but about controlling. And why was the agreement about minerals? What does it take to drive a Tesla? Narcissists, dictators, and psychopaths idealize each other and in unholy alliances scratch each other's backs.
Trump can no longer claim to be leader of the free world. His actions today do not place him among democratic statesmen, but among history's dictators. A true leader builds alliances through respect and diplomacy—a dictator rules through threats, fear, and humiliation. When the fate of the world is at stake, we should not blind our eyes to the difference. We did not see a president today, but a despot in real time."
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Originally Posted by Jim44
I think there's a very strong possibility that's true.
If there was ever a notion that Ukraine/Russia would agree a peace deal that seems a million miles away from happening now, that wedge has been driven further in now 🤬Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Apparently the journalist who attacked zelensky for not wearing a suit in the Whitehouse is Marjory Taylor Green's boyfriend(?) Whatever, he has never once challenged Musk who wears a baseball hat, trainers and a dark tee shirt with an image on it in the oval office.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Hopefully the so called swasticars sales continue to decline and become more expensive to produce without Ukrainian lithium.
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I'm not totally convinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bridge hibs
The only thing that had changed recently was that Trump had come to power. He wants to satisfy his own ego by delivering peace and wants a Nobel Peace prize, however he's too stupid to realise that it isn't in his gift to deliver peace and that the sort of peace he describes (forcing Ukraine to capitulate to a dictator) doesn't impress peace prize judges.
The war rages on. 80% of the weapons Ukraine are using - and using to slowly get the upper hand - are coming from Europe now, who have ramped up their production capabilities way in advance of this easily predicted situation arising.
Potential problem as I see it - America deciding to let up on the Russian sanctions. The sanctions are killing the Russian ability to fight the war on anything like an even footing. If the Americans can be convinced to keep up the sanctions (and I'm not convinced Vance and co think it's going to be in their interests to keep them up) then this war swings strongly the way of the Ukrainians this year. What happens at "the moment it finally slips away from Putin" is a scary thought, but one that will need to be confronted at some point.
Congress should stop the USA from outright allying with the Russians (obviously finding ourselves officially on the opposite side to the Americans would be awful) but if Trump's acolytes manage to dismantle enough of the American political infrastructure then that may also eventually be a threat. Not soon though, I don't think.
Worth keeping a wee eye on the Chinese too. Very quiet, very patient, very measured. My hunch is that we might even find ourselves having more common interests with them than those who have been our greatest allies for 80 years. That possibility is one of just many that the morons in the White House should be considering when talking about what cards people have.
Only Congress can drop the sanctions thankfully. I doubt it is ready to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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I didn't realise that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Makes sense, really, because Krasnov would probably have done so by now if he were able to.
iIt really is. America is now backing an authoritarian Russia against an invaded democratic ally. A 180 degree shift from just a few weeks ago when Biden was president. It’s enough to make your head spin. Trump, as usual, has thrown everything into chaos. We can wait for what happens next. Hopefully, this debacle can be pulled back from the brink.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
There is no changing Trump. He’s there for 4 years and we have to deal with that. Best thing is to arm Ukraine to the teeth and take Trump out the equation. We have to give the Ukranians what they need to start forcing Russia back. That will require money. Euro has it but it also needs the political will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Online petition demanding that Trump's invitation to a state visit be rescinded.
https://www.change.org/p/urge-the-go...on?signed=true
Aye. She almost seemed indignant on Trump’s behalf. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
Who are you really Smartie 🤔 mi5Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
NEXTA
@nexta_tv
5 minutes ago
Norwegians Plan to Launch Mass Production of Air Defense Missiles in Ukraine
Norwegian company Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace is planning to establish missile production for NASAMS air defense systems on Ukrainian territory, company president Eirik Lie announced.
"We are currently setting up a company in Ukraine and actively negotiating with local manufacturers to create a joint venture. Our main goal is to increase the production of NASAMS missiles using Ukrainian technology," Lie said.
The Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace president emphasized that the plan involves mass production of missiles
And why was someone so obviously hostile to Zelensky and Ukraine positioned so close to the president? All these things are carefully stage managed, having him there was no coincidenceQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Oh dear, if Trump was hoping to weaken Europe as part of his masterplan, it doesn't sound as if that's going too well. There'll be ketchup on the White House walls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Utter set up to please his bosses in RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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Me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Just an ordinary punter with an eye on some obscure corners of the internet that occasionally turn up decent info.
I need to be a bit careful with it though, as I did mention in a WhatsApp group about Xi having his tea poisoned last year, leading to a Chinese delegation leaving a meeting in a hurry. Turned out to be pish, and not the only time I've embarrassingly shared duff info.
Re the post above about Europe - the Europeans aren't all that downhearted about how the meeting went. They know what they need to do and they've known for a long time that they might find themselves in alliance with unpredictable Americans. TBH - gaining the supermotivated Swedes and Finns, getting a more unified Europe and losing the Americans who are drifting towards isolation - isn't the worst "deal" in the world. Imperfect, with downsides, but far from the disaster that it can be painted to be in some "legacy media" quarters.
The most ironic quote from yesterday's clown show in the Oval circus office was when Trump spitting and shouting at Zelensky told him..
"He (Trump) had enabled him (Zelensky) to be a tough guy"
This coming from a multiple draft dodger who claimed bone spurs had stopped him from serving his country ! Even though his medical records have no evidence he ever had so much as a varuka let alone a little bone spur !
Let's be clear here! When America offered to fly Zelensky to safety shortly after the Russian invasion began telling him that Russia would kill him and his family within hours ! He replied that "He needed military equipment not a free plane ride"
If that had been Trump staring down the barrel of a much bigger and much more powerful adversary, who's whole objective from now on and 24/7 would be to kill him !
Trump would have taken those plane tickets and been on board with a big suitcase of money before the first Russian tank crossed the border.
Trump truly is one of the great cowards of history !
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The Republicans have a 3 seat majority and are more than capable of giving Trump full support. In normal times you would not expect every Republican to vote for extreme measures from their party but with the new, crazy administration, nothing would surprise me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I am certainly no fan of Trump or his motley crew and he will be US president for next 4 years….however if this daft wee visit and a shake of Charlie’s hand provides a better trade deal then let it go aheadQuote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
You probably have a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
That said, I'd hope that people are allowed to show their feelings on the man in a public manner (for and against, of course). Somehow, though, I think things will be sanitised and controlled to the point where there is no obvious newsworthy dissent.
It would be a wonderful legacy for Janey Godley if thousands of people were allowed to show "her" sign.
I don't doubt that it will happen regardless of the petitions, but as CWG says it's an opportunity to let him know how the UK public feel about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
If it happens in London or Windsor I will do my best to get along to give him the warmest possible "welcome".
So, if we see on the news an ageing ex-beancounter being arrested for displaying a sign saying "Trump Is a Hearts B*****d".............Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
Insert the word "orange" in that sign and you're damn right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Oh, and ageing but handsome ex-beancounter.
Wonder how Zelensky is feeling today after that car crash? It’s not about sitting and being dictated to, it’s about prioritising the safety and recovery of his country. Instead he chose to argue with that pair. Still can’t believe it, on live television too. Putin will be lapping it up and rubbing his hands after no doubt being concerned initially at the pressure Trump would put on him.
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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
When you say he should prioritise the safety and recovery of his country, what do you think Zelensky should have done there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Spot on, they thought they could humiliate Z in front of Trumps selected press groupies, and it has backfired, as for Vance, Z must have been biting his tongue to not just smash him in the face and walk out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Not spoke over and argued with the President of US in his office on live television. What did he think that would achieve? He’s alienated himself with him/them even more now. Sometimes you need to recognise and respect your place, especially against your biggest financial and military supporter. Trump is an idiotic, chaotic and dangerous man. But yipee because he stood up to him, whilst ruining any chance of his country getting a balanced deal and end to the conflict.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
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Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Your the only non reform voter or staunch republican nutter I've seen that doesn't see it as a clear hijack by Vance in particular to belittle a sovereign leader fighting a war. He wouldn't have been able to return to Ukraine if he sat there and let them spout Putin's lines. They have made him a hero in Europe it seems and European unity has just been given a huge shoveQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Take the tinted glasses off and you’ll see the same. You think that was a good result for Ukraine, UK and Europe yesterday? It’s pretty devastating, I thought yesterday would be the beginning of the end of it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
What on Earth made you think that? With Trump in the WH and his longstanding hatred of Z, there's no way that the US were ever going to faciltate the end of this war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
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Originally Posted by grunt
Righto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Well if you did you haven't been following things very clearly. It was an ambush to parrot Russian talking points. The point of the meeting wasn't a ceasefire it was a minerals deal with no security guarantees. I think yesterday will cement Europe's position. All leaders bar ours have came out in support. It feels liberating to be separated from the Russian bought bigots in the white house. I genuinely can't remember a more unified EuropeQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
In the case of the multi faced Vance, just one blow would do it....Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
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And a unified Europe puts an end to the slaughter? Sounds like you don’t want things to end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I was being serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
How do you suggest this ends? Do you want Putin to keep the territory he has invaded? Make no reparations for the damage and lives lost? Because thats what Trump was offering. Or maybe you have a better idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
They wanted him to sign away the minerals before they talked about security guarantees. From what they've said so far, they might not be offering anything in return, and whatever that was or wasn't was for a future discussion. If there was a serious, possible balanced deal available, I might have agreed with you. For all our sakes, i genuinely think that it's probably more useful that Trump and his cabinet meet some resistance, and the rest of the world confronts the new reality sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Ultimately, whatever Trump and Vance planned - whether it was an ambush, or a postcard to Putin, or an attempt to turn the tide against Zelensky's leadership - they weren't dealing in good faith.
It ends when Russia stops fighting and they don't want to. It's a genocide like in Palestine or Vietnam. I defend the right for all people being conquered to defend themselves. Russia won't stop without force, they have already disregarded 22 ceasefire deals. Saying people who back Ukraine defending themselves is insulting stupid and out of vlads playbookQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
I’d love nothing more than a bullet in Putin’s head and Russia to pay the cost, however I’m realistic. Do you seriously think there’s a scenario where Ukraine wins without support from US? The % of Americans wanting US to continue to support Ukraine keeps falling. Yesterday done that no favours and goes towards giving Trump even more of a mandate to do what the hell he wants. I get it’s unpopular to go against the mainstream media and party line, but you are seriously deluded if you think yesterday was anything else but a catastrophe for us all. But it’s ok, a few European leaders have tweeted on X to say they support Ukraine so it’ll all be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I don't necessary disagree with you here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
The point that he got into a slanging match under great provocation and that it may not have ended up serving his best interests is a fair one.
When it started to head South though - the point he made about the value of making multiple "deals" with Putin, all of which he went on to renege on was a fair one worth making - and that was what seemed to properly rile Vance.
It WAS an ambush and the behaviour of the Americans was deplorable on so many levels.
Zelensky isn't always the most deft diplomat and he wasn't here - with good reason, it would be fair to say.
To think that isn't unreasonable and it doesn't let the Americans off the hook for what was a despicable stunt.
Time will tell whether or not being honest and bravely fronting up or soaking up another 10 minutes or so of nonsense was in his, Ukraine's and our best interests.
You didn’t answer my question because you know, like I do, that Ukraine doesn’t win this or get a fair deal without the support of US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Trump hasn’t sent a penny and was never going to. Yesterday changed nothing in that respect. Yesterday was stage managed by Trump and Vance. There was no response from Zelensky that could have got more money from the US. They are now out of the coalition. Time to move on without them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
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I am amazed at how much chaos he has generated in such a short time frame.
What is our world going to look like in 4 years time with this meglomaniac at the helm.
I think Ukraine can and will win this if Europe supports them. Europe can’t afford for Ukraine to lose. And Europe can easily fund Ukraine to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
How does Russia win from here?
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Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
He needs the Europeans on his side more than anyone, they're the ones who have been stepping up to the plate most, most recently.
Obviously it would help greatly if the Americans were on board but they lose credibility as a genuine ally every day. They use alternative facts, have different agendas, plainly act in bad faith against the values held in the main by Europe. They tried extortion tactics on one of our allies.
Unless they change their ways they can gtf.
US never sent anything for almost 5 months a year ago and Ukraine fought off the invasion. Trump won't send anything regardless if Zelensky sits and agrees when they shout at him that he is rude to Putin. Europe dwarfs the Russian economy and they can step up if needed. Ukraine has been fighting on their own for over a decade. They will fight on with a lot more help than they did previouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock says Europe should send the most comprehensive package when they meet next week.
Surprised the tories are on the right side of history. Sunak says we should send the frozen £300 billion to Ukraine
https://archive.ph/exBF7
I would like to know why TASS the russan state media outfit were allowed into the oval office while the AP and Reuters were not.
Wouldn't even need to risk a five-year prison sentence by using sweary words on a placard. Probably 'We are all Janey Godley' would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Ah yes, those thriving UK and EU economies that are doing us all well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Are you saying Russia has a stronger economy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
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I’m saying our economy would be better served with the war ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Of course it would so would Ukraines unfortunately there is absolutely no way Putin will stop before his economy collapses. Ukraine is holding off Russia with an economy hundreds of times smaller than Europe's and using 1970s surplus equipment mostly. Europe could end it tomorrow with its 300 f35s and 500 Eurofighters. It's political will, hopefully Trump showing Europe that they have to wake up will make them wake upQuote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Agree with this. Amazed it hasn’t been done sooner. So Russian investors and Oligarchs lose their investments. Sue us! You get it back when Putin is deposited in The Hague. Should have thought of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Time for Europe to step up. Arm and fund Ukraine. Tighten the noose on their economy, make ordinary metropolitan Russians feel the pain and rise up.
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We are doing well. Compared to Russia with its 21% inflation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
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Arm and fund Russia ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Is it an offence to have a placard with “Trump is c***” on it, is that not free speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Woah! Massive error there. I’ll change it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Think you are right, helicopter into Balmoral and back out again.
They’ll be hoping when the state visit takes place a year or so later that things have died down
Are you suggesting surrender?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
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Get the drones out to prevent it landing :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
I'm now more convinced than ever that Trump and his cronies never had any intention of creating a genuine peace deal. The only thing they are interested in is getting a deal for the Ukrainian minerals, and whoever is actually ruling Ukraine is fine by them.
Russia will continue it's war until it runs out of money and manpower. In the minds of Putin and Trump, a 'peace deal' is Ukraine's surrender.
If that happens, the Russians will take over and democracy, freedom of the press, freedom of speech... freedom to think differently... will all end. Basically the same that has been happening in Russia for the last 20+ years.
Why didn't the UK just surrender in WWII? I'm sure it would have been much better for our economy
You are right. The deal was never a serious deal. Ukraine were signing a deal in hope rather than certainty. Sign it first and then we will see.. Trump keeps using this )350 billion figure and it’s been widely acknowledged it’s a fraction of that, with most of it spent replacing ageing American stocks with newer weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Originally Posted by Keith_M
You're spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
This isn't about peace from Trump, they want resources and they want to sell Ukraine out to get it.
A deal that sees Ukraine give up land that Russia invaded is no deal at all.
Some intelligent input. IMO
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I think you're right. Though I think he would actually like the kudos of a peace deal (+Nobel), but on his terms. Which seem to be: "So, we get half of your valuable mineral resources for ever, and you surrender to Russia the parts that their brave brave men fought and died for. And they'll leave you alone after that because they totally respect me. See - was that difficult,Volodymyr? "Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
And I think he does care who's in charge of Ukraine. They need to
have Russia's interests in mind.
Good post mate 👌Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Not being funny, but we’d fight tooth and nail for Scotland. Hell we’d even fight for the rest of the UK if our Island was attacked, like it was in WW2.
Why do the Ukrainians have to give up their land.
There was even plans in place for a guerrilla war and a resistance network to fight the Nazis.
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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Wow she is horrificQuote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
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Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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Short term you are correct but if the rest of Europe and uk don’t step up to defeat the Russian aggressors without the USA then the economy is even more screwed over the long run. We all need to be as one and defeat the aggressor or it will never end with constant appeasement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Exactly. Imagine if someone had had the foresight to nip it in the bud back in 2008, a month before the great recession.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenlex
**** you Agent Krasnov :agree:
- Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk: “Dear Zelensky, dear Ukrainian friends, you are not alone.”
- President of Lithuania Gitanas Nausea: “Ukraine, you’ll never walk alone.”
- Denmark Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen: “Dear Zelensky, Denmark proudly stands with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people.”
- French President Emmanual Macron: “There is an aggressor: Russia. There is a people being aggressed: Ukraine. We were all right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago and to continue doing so. We, that’s the Americans, the Europeans, Canadians, Japanese, and many others... Because they are fighting for their dignity, their independence, for their children, and for the security of Europe.”
- President of Moldova Maia Sandu: “The truth is simple. Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is the aggressor. Ukraine defends its freedom—and ours. We stand with Ukraine.”
- Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson: “Sweden stands with Ukraine. You are not only fighting for your freedom but also for all of Europe’s. Slava Ukraini! ”
- Incoming German Chancellor Friedrich Mer: “Dear Zelenskyy, we stand with Ukraine in good and in testing times. We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war.
- Crotia’s Prime Minister Andrej Plenković: “Croatia knows from its own experience that only a just peace can last. The Croatian Government stands firm in its belief that Ukraine needs such a peace - a peace that means sovereignty, territorial integrity, and a secure Europe.”
- Finland’s Prime Minister Petteri Orpo: “Finland and the Finnish people stand firmly with Ukraine. We will continue our unwavering support and work towards a just and lasting peace.”
- Estonian Prime Minister Kristen Michal: “We stand united with
Zelenskyy and Ukraine in our fight for freedom. Always. Because it is right, not easy.”
- Ireland’s Deputy Prime Minister Simon Harris: “Ukraine is not to blame for this war brought about by Russia’s illegal invasion. We stand with Ukraine.“
- Latvia’s President Edgars Rinkevics: “Ukraine is a victim of the Russian aggression. It fights the war with the help from many friends and partners. We need to spare no effort for just and lasting peace. Latvia stands with Ukraine”
- Prime Minister of the Netherlands Dick Schoof: ”The Netherlands supports Ukraine as firmly as ever. Now more than ever. We want a lasting peace and an end to the war of aggression started by Russia. For Ukraine and its people, and for Europe.”
- Prime Minister of Luxembourg Luc Friedsen: “Luxembourg stands with Ukraine. You are fighting for your freedom and a rules based international order. ”
The West stands with the heroic Zelensky. Trump sides with the evil Putin. What has America become?
100% disagree. Short of Trump sending US troops to fight for Russia Europe perfectly capable of stepping up and filling the gap left by American support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Rhoades
Took the day off from all this **** but there’s no question this was a deliberate ploy by the Americans.
Be if for minerals or whatever else, this was choreographed and is tantamount to treasonous to the rest of the western world.
It’s also - in my opinion - no coincidence that within a couple of hours both Trump and Medvedev were talking about WW3.
Having swerved military service the orange guy and his pals might not get the symbolism https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...783d26b664.jpg
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Being a bit hard on Trump there. It was the smart thing to do, lie about bone spurs. Otherwise he might have ended up a loser, like McCain, or a sucker, like all those dead servicemen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Surely he could have just done a deal to stay out? People tell him he does a good deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Mail on Sunday headline tomorrow - Now Stop State Visit for "Bully" Trump. And praises Starmer.
Meanwhile Sarah Smith, Kuenssberg and Mason keep the pile on going.
Strange things going on in media land.