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Hope Dortmund don't take their foot off it second half.
I’ve absolutely no sympathy for Celtic. It’s funny watching happen to them, what happens to everyone that plays them in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
But it’s just down to money at the end of the day. Dortmund’s annual revenue is over 500 million. The top European teams are just operating in a completely different world (as Celtic are domestically).
Probably MacGregor, Taylor and I expect Scales has been at Celtic a number of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by crash
It's an indictment of poor coaching in Scotland that a number of SPFL teams are made up of non Scottish players.
Didn't stop Sevco beating Dortmund a couple of years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lago
Great viewing
Hope all those bigots who have travelled to Dortmund are having a thoroughly ***** night
Teams normally take their foot off the gas when the games won like this, but how funny would it be if they lost 9 or 10?:greengrin
Celtc getting stuffed is absolutely brilliant. No doubt their fans will blame the other SPFL clubs for not being competitive enough. Hope it ends up 10-1.
Would like to see Dortmund score a few more but I’ve a feeling they’ll make a few changes and take it easy.
Won't be an issue in a season or two because the coefficient will be so crap them and sevco will be back to having to play about 3 qualifiers to get into the groupsQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
There’s no point in Dortmund going all out to get double figures and risk injury. They’ll score another couple of goals and let Celtic get a wee consolation goal.
I wish folk would stop going on about the chasm between Celtic and good European sides and Celtic and most Scottish sides. We all know that. Just enjoy their ignominy and embarrassment. :greengrin
Dortmund just passing their way through Celtic like they're not even there. Could easily be another 5 in this half.
Que sera sera!!! I’ll still enjoy supporting and watching Hibs at whatever level the Scottish Premiership sinks to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
Haaland is a robot 🤖
We need Dortmund to score at least 9 goals more than Celtic thus taking the title of the worst aggregate score in Europe for a Scottish club from us. (Malmo).
I don't find it that funny if I'm honest. I'm embarrassed on nights like this as it shows up how much of a joke our league is. Surely we should be striving for better from our Scottish teams in Europe? The whole system in this country needs overhauled top to bottom. Coaching from grass routes to professional is clearly not good enough compared to our European neighbours. Dosent help when it's been a 2 team league for over 30 years. The sooner the ugly sisters go down south or to some form of super league the better for everyone involved including them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
They’ve spent 6m on a cb that looks like he’s a competition winner and 11m on a midfielder who’s barely touched the ball the league may be poor but they need to look within at some point how many cbs have they signed recently and Liam scales is the one selected they’re an absolute riotQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Can't believe they didn't start Hatate. Genuinely think he's their best player.
Celtic's level is the Europa Conference League where the Yam are.
They may win in the odd game at home in the Champions League but they would be competitive at the lowest UEFA club competition.
And it’s 6.
It’s not intended to be funny. It’s just a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
Don’t be silly. Neil Lennon is confident they can make the top 16 :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
6 ….. about time too!:greengrin
Lol. Lmao, even
Agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
The standard of the average Scottish SPFL player is dire. We should be producing loads more Scottish players who can compete at European level. I don't mean players who could go and play in the English Premier League. Just a higher standard of Scottish player. Instead a load of our clubs have to recruit sub standard players from countries such as Australia, etc.
Callum McGregor an absolute passenger at this level. Once again proving how overrated he is by Celtic fans and sections of the media.
Tbh, they have a very good chance of getting through. Few winnable games.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee_girl
Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
Rather sobering night for Celtic.
They really should beat Young Boys and Cercle Brugge at home. So that's nine points. Could pick up a point on the road too so should make the next round. Almost harder not to make the next round.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibee_girl
9 would take them through.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
It’ll be the usual story, without a hint of irony or self awareness tomorrow. We’ll be hearing nothing but complaints about the financial gap between Celtic and these teams.
The biggest problem in Scotland is the two clubs that run the game here. We have associations coming out if our ears, sfa, spfl, sjfa, amateurs, youths etc etc but the long and short of it is that everything in Scotland is geared towards the two Glasgow clubs having things their own way. Media scared to criticise, referees afraid to give decisions against, referees who are biased towards them, authorities who treat them differently to everyone else, police who let their fans away with whatever they want. There is no appetite to see any other club be successful as it would upset the gravy train that all.of these organisations are on. I love seeing them both get pumped inside out ineurope and then try to excuse ut by blaming the financial gap with no sense of irony at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
7-1 dortmund ? oh my
There’s number 7
Where's Len Goodman when you need him lol
Rodgers has had some absolute pastings in Europe with them. Why cant he set them up to make things difficult for the big teams?
Mad to think the Sticky Buns hammered Dortmund just 2 years ago in Dortmund.
Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
What he said.......Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Spot on 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Arrogance, stupidity or both.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
You cannae play the same away to Dortmund as you would away to Ross County.
Exactly! Play in the same league that offers no competition as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
you can’t play against Dortmund the same way you play against St Johnstone, you are st.johnstone at this level you have to change too arrogant though and it’s been great to watch
https://youtu.be/yS3gqDvSupo?si=amTeIVswuO4_MpLgQuote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
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Love seeing them pumped and brought down to earth. Simply big fish in small pond. They are stuck as can’t get anywhere near Euro elite but will continue to dominate in Scotland.
They have had some hammerings in Europe over last few years..
Nov 23 - 6-0 Athletico Madrid
PSG and Barcelona took 7 goals off them too.
Also lost 6-0 and 5-0. to Barca and PSG in last 10 years.
:aok: Well said and bang on the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
They will probably horse County on Sunday tooQuote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Ian Murray has done well to land the Dortmund gig after losing the Raith job.
Full time 7-1 but could have been many more.
Dortmund made subs too otherwise it could have been 10.
7-0 v Barca
6-1 v Barca
6-0 v atletico
7-1 v Dortmund
7-0 v psg
5-0 v psg
5-1 v Real Madrid
The mad thing is Celtic could still get 2 more HOME wins and go through with 9 points.
They are lucky they seem to do so much better at home as away record is absolutely awful.
well i'm just glad we're not playing them next, many teams over the years have been unfortunate to play sellick after they've had a right doin in Europe
Maybe bring them back to Earth a little bit. A lot of Celtc fans already have the ribbons on all 3 domestic trophies and a CL knockout place in the bag.
Shown how absolutely bang average they are in the grand scheme of things tonight, and it was fantastic to behold.
Probably the most enjoyable match I've watched since 21/05/16
Sombre stuff in the post match TNT studio. Guests, Petrov and Mjalby probably prepped to discuss a great game, whether Celtic win or lose, but really didn’t expect it to turn into a morbid post mortem.
Celtc are the first British team to concede 5 goals in the first half of a game in a major European competition since Cwmbran Town in the 1997-98 Cup Winners' Cup.
Rodgers said a few years ago after a heavy defeat in Europe with Celtic he would not compromise on his principles. Against the European big boys you have to set up to nullify their strengths. Hate to say it The Rangers have been better at doing that in Europe.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by linlithgowhibbie
Clearly they missed Kwon last night 😁
Because it is good to see one of the old firm get pumped. SimplesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
This is the issue, they can shout and scream about financial gulfs and league opposition all they want, they are paying £3m a year to a guy they love to call an elite manager who refuses to make it difficult for teams to break them down away from home due to his own vanity, the same team that played against st.Johnstone went away to Dortmund in the champs league, crazy should be getting hammered for it but all the talk will be about lowly Scottish football.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
£30m worth of players barely had any impact at all, trusty, Bernardo, Engels, Idah his transfer record is brutal, he’s built a great spfl side if that’s the level of their ambitions.
Celtic and Rangers have to move to England now of forever be European minnows
Wonder if they'll take the same stick in the media as we did after Malmo? Or will they okay in the gulf in finances, no competition on Scotland bore fest and play into the old firm sense of self importance?
I'd love to see the back of them but is there even a semblance of an appetite in England for this to happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
More beneficial overall would be a UK league. Sure, Hibs wouldn't be near to top flight but it would beat the monotony of playing the same old clubs four times (or more) every year.
They're taking a fair amount of stick, mostly directed at Rodgers who has now lost 7 goals three times in Europe with Celtic. Couple of other hidings also in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Couldn't care less about Celtic, but they were playing a very good team last night.I work in Glasgow and Virtually all the Celtic fans I spoke to before the game expected to get beaten comfortably and they were. Don't get the gloating, if we'd been playing Dortmund it would've been double figures unfortunately.
The EPL dont want or need them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waxy
You don't find one of the old firm getting annihilated extremely funny? What if it was Rangers? Are you one of these strange Hibs fans with a soft spot for Celtic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
I know. They must face the fact that champions league is way above their level now.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
They’ll probably blame the rest of Scottish football.
He doesn't change, he thinks playing the way he does against St Johnstone etc, will work against the big boys of EuropeQuote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
Tell that to Elgin City fans when they're working out the costs and logistics of getting down to Plymouth for a Tuesday night midweek game?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
A UK-wide league doesn't serve anyone IMO - the costs involved for clubs/fans would be unworkable.
Would maybe work if we had remotely affordable public transport for such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Wouldn't be a fan of it regardless. Just want a bigger Scottish top flight.
If Scottish teams went into into UK league then most of our SPL teams would be in league 1/2...there's no appetite for that and would mean no European games. Teams from championship down would be playing at like national league level. The gulf in class between the the top 2 English leagues and ours is astronomical that a UK league is not feasible or worthwhile for Scottish teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The old firm should move down south and leave the rest of us to get on with it. Would mean a more competitive league and hopefully more investment. Literally everything in our game is geared towards them and it has killed it from grassroots level upwards. It would also be better for them as the extra revenue would mean they could probably start competing at a higher level again.
I think it would work for our top flight clubs when you factor in better TV deals/widening the appeal of our game. Trips to ER/Tynecastle would be a great day trip/weekend for away fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
You're taking the most extreme example here, there are no major clubs in Scotland in the north of the country outside Aberdeen, Inverness and Ross County.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
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Originally Posted by JimBHibees
The original poster said last night was the most enjoyable game they'd seen since Hibs won the Scottish cup and the poster quite justifiably asked why.Quote:
Originally Posted by supermcginn
There isnt a stranger type of Hibs fan than one who claims they enjoyed last night's Celtic defeat more than numerous Hibs wins over the last 8 years including ones over Hearts, Celtic, Rangers, Hampden wins and european victories.
An official UK league would/should never happen. It would mean the end of the 4 national teams that we are fortunate to have in the British isles. I would not be interested in watching Hibs play in League 1 against teams such as Rotherham, Mansfield etc and away trip to Exeter would hardly set the pulse racing. Our league has a lot of faults but it is OUR league.
Aye but weird to say you enjoyed another team getting beat than Hibs winning a derby or winning a European tie. Wild take.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMotta
You enjoyed that more than us beating Hearts? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by linlithgowhibbie
For me a spawny 1-0 over St Johnstone would be more enjoyable than watching any Celtic game.
I thought it was pretty funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabbage-Patch
:agree: The champions league is gerrymandering now. You need to be incompetent to have celtcs budget and not progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
The problem is Celtic don’t have much of a challenge back home, the minute they meet a decent football they crumble. Scotland needs a bigger league, a top league of 20 teams. Would make things more interesting as well
Anything that has the potential to raise the standards of Scottish football is surely worth considering? Financially it would enable us to compete with English clubs who have the edge over us in transfer budgets and would make a move to Hibs more attractive to players down south if we were part of the same league. There remains a perception that a move to Scotland is step down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringothedog
Just because our league is OUR league doesn't make it untouchable. Getting rid of the Old Firm would make it more competitive, but probably only in the sense that it would ensure more uniform mediocrity, plus the TV deals would become pitiful.
Last night's Celtic result (and numerous others like it over the years), while amusing enough, was a pretty scary indictment of how low standards are in our league when the runaway best side in Scotland can be humiliated like that. It really could have been double figures.
I agree a bigger top flight which didn't involve playing the same sides so regularly would be a better experience for fans, but it would do nothing to lessen Celtic's untouchable dominance.Quote:
Originally Posted by ionahibby
Do they have a bigger budget than most teams in the group stages?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Whilst I would like to see that happen also it would make zero difference to celtic as they would still scoosh the league every year. Scottish football isn't attractive to investors because they know it's a two team league. For the benefit of all Scottish football the old firm need to leave and join a more competitive league.Quote:
Originally Posted by ionahibby
That would then see a league where realistically pretty much any team in the league could win the title in a season. Would mean more investment and more even distributed TV money etc. Literally everything in our game is skewed towards OF and it's absolutely killed our game.
I agree it would make things more interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ionahibby
It wouldn’t make Rangers or Celtic richer though, so it’ll never happen.
I can’t really be bothered with any soul-searching about what went wrong for Celtic. There’s merit in the argument that they don’t have anyone that gives them enough of a game in Scotland that lets them get practice at the sort of “backs to the wall” performance they need against better European teams.
That’s by their own design though (same for all the big teams who dominate their own league) so frankly - **** them.
I just don’t have any interest in watching that level of football any more. Can’t be doing with the players, the clubs, the fans. Totally style over substance, although I respect the opinions of those who enjoyed an evening of watching Celtic take a total hiding.
Think Celtic middle to front are decent, but I think their defence without Carter/bickers is average at most
Celtic’s star signing in the summer was a guy from Norwich for 9 or 10million while still having many many more millions in the bank. They then sign someone from Dundee! If they genuinely want to progress at champions league level, or even Europa league they need (and can afford) to sign better players. This is entirely their own fault.
Totally agree but I also get why they don't do it. Why ***** many more millions just to get a wee bit further in the Champions League when they walk the domestic league anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Go Bragh
Just keep banking the money and stay rich. Brutal for fans mind you.
It'll somehow be St Johnstone's or the 9 other non Glasgow clubs fault for Celtic getting absolutely scudded. Personally find it brilliant. It's the one time they get a wee taste of what it's like being unable to complete financially.
they bought Arne Engels for a club record £11million fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs Go Bragh
They will continue to invest too but a lack of a proper tactician means they’ll struggle in Europe.
A UK league would see us never play in Europe or win anything ever again. **** that.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Because if they invest the money properly they can make more, from selling players for more and from progressing further in Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875
Yes, they're dominant domestically but I find it pretty staggering that a club with shedloads in the bank can tolerate Liam Scales at CH whilst getting 7 taken off them in Europe.
Surely "improved European performance" must be one of their club's KPIs?
I'd expect attracting players who will improve them sufficiently to Scotland might be a big part of their problem. Pumping Ross County and Dundee every week (even Hibs nowadays) isn't likely to be on the bucket list of top players. Playing in the Champions League every year could well be though.
Away to Stevenage on a Wednesday night? No thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
That's not going to save it mate. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Yip can't beat Ross County on a Wednesday night🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Since452
We really can't. So what hope would we have of winning anything in a far wider league set up? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Lago
the only benefit of a UK league is it would show a wide range of visiting supports how much nicer life is in the ancient European capital of Edinburgh than it is in Hard Brexit Britain
That Celtic back 4 last night was as poor as i've seen from them for a number of years. And the keeper is well past his best too.
Scottish football is sheite, it really is, but it's our sheite and bar them it's quite competative.
Even the huns have come back a bit to the the group below now.
Celtic will still win most of the trophies, but they will never attract real quality that improves them to the next level while playing in Scotland.
I dont know how they get better, and that must be a worry for them, apathy could very well set in with their support. :greengrin