Congestion charges and low emission zones

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Good help wedding venues and hotels etc getting vendors in Edinburgh

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What a nightmare, mentions there will still be local access mind you.... but if you remember, they said that when the trams were being built down Leith Walk, delivery firms were complaining despite that they were still having to cart stuff a good distance :-(

Actually, on the trams, if they close the proposed new route to traffic with this scheme, then drivers won't be able to blame the tram construction for any traffic delays!

A cunning plan by the council! [emoji1787]

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

What a nightmare, mentions there will still be local access mind you.... but if you remember, they said that when the trams were being built down Leith Walk, delivery firms were complaining despite that they were still having to cart stuff a good distance :-(

Actually, on the trams, if they close the proposed new route to traffic with this scheme, then drivers won't be able to blame the tram construction for any traffic delays!

A cunning plan by the council! [emoji1787]

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Was down Leith Walk the other day. All the businesses seemed to be open as normal and have adapted to the new set up. I dare say some might be enjoying the extra footfall the tram brings.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Was down Leith Walk the other day. All the businesses seemed to be open as normal and have adapted to the new set up. I dare say some might be enjoying the extra footfall the tram brings.


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They have adapted to the new set up, mainly because delivery drivers have ignored the useless parking bays and are just parking on the pavement in front of where they are delivering to, I like the trams, I use them lots but let's not pretend the current state of walking, cycling, getting on and off buses or delivering goods in Leith walk is anything other than a farce

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Was down Leith Walk the other day. All the businesses seemed to be open as normal and have adapted to the new set up. I dare say some might be enjoying the extra footfall the tram brings.


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I'm talking about when the road was closed and provision was made for local access.

Edit: and for what it's worth, I totally agree.... now they're in place they've been a success a getting people into the area and spending their money

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

They have adapted to the new set up, mainly because delivery drivers have ignored the useless parking bays and are just parking on the pavement in front of where they are delivering to, I like the trams, I use them lots but let's not pretend the current state of walking, cycling, getting on and off buses or delivering goods in Leith walk is anything other than a farce

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The behaviour of motorists, cyclists and pedestrians on Leith Walk has, not unsurprisingly, improved considerably since the trams started running. It just took a bit of getting used to.

Yes there are still vehicles parking as they shouldn't.

Pedestrians, I'd suggest mostly lost tourists, walking in the cycle paths.

The biggest miscreants are the cyclists. Still too many cycling on the wrong side of the road; cycling on the pavement section; not using/having lights on when it's dark and wearing dark clothing making them very difficult to see. Most of these are the food delivery people.

I'd agree it was a farce. I'd suggest now it's 'still room for improvement'.

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Originally Posted by Jack

The biggest miscreants are the cyclists. Still too many cycling on the wrong side of the road; cycling on the pavement section; not using/having lights on when it's dark and wearing dark clothing making them very difficult to see. Most of these are the food delivery people.

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Wonder if some of that is because the cycling bit has been laid so lumpy.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Wonder if some of that is because the cycling bit has been laid so lumpy.

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Not particularly on the bits I was thinking about when I was writing the post although I'm just a pedestrian these days and there may well be lumpy bits. Would slowing down at these lumpy bits not help?

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Originally Posted by Jack

Not particularly on the bits I was thinking about when I was writing the post although I'm just a pedestrian these days and there may well be lumpy bits. Would slowing down at these lumpy bits not help?

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No doubt. Not been on all of it, but going downhill from London Road, there's long, long sections of lumpy, which you'd end up doing at little more than walking speed. Ideal for pedestrians but not much of an incentive for cyclists to cycle on. Have been quite tempted to take my chances on the tramlines for a smoother ride, but the Driving Pet Peeves thread might explode.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

What utter guff!!! I can drive around 90% of the city, into housing schemes etc where people live, but the city centre where i go once or twice a month to work has been cut off because of the stupid legislation. Unfortunately I don’t have a spare £30k to but a new van. I imagine I won’t be the only business in this predicament.

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I'm in the same boat. Same van b4 lockdown £16k, now £30k as you've said. £90 when you enter the zone then double every time until it reaches about £400. Then after 3 months the fines start again.

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Originally Posted by Itsnoteasy

I'm in the same boat. Same van b4 lockdown £16k, now £30k as you've said. £90 when you enter the zone then double every time until it reaches about £400. Then after 3 months the fines start again.

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I think you need check the cost of ULEZ fines

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I think you need check the cost of ULEZ fines

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Itsnoteasy is close enough with his post

issue an initial PCN set at £60, per vehicle
issue a second PCN set at £120, if the same vehicle is driven a second time within 90 days of the first breach
issue a third PCN set at £240, if the same vehicle is driven a third time within 90 days of the first breach
issue a fourth PCN set at £480, if the same vehicle is driven a fourth time within 90 days of the first breach

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I think you need check the cost of ULEZ fines

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My first fine was a tad to high & last fine was a tad to low. I'll make sure I dot the i's & cross the t's right the next time.

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I'm in the same boat. Same van b4 lockdown £16k, now £30k as you've said. £90 when you enter the zone then double every time until it reaches about £400. Then after 3 months the fines start again.

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I just did a calculation on the fines for December if ULEZ had been in force….£2820 by the time I paid my tax on earnings I would be in minus.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

I just did a calculation on the fines for December if ULEZ had been in force….£2820 by the time I paid my tax on earnings I would be in minus.

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New van would be a lot cheaper than that per month.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

New van would be a lot cheaper than that per month.


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Don't be so logical 😉

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

New van would be a lot cheaper than that per month.


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It would!! but I own a van with less than 45k on the clock, regularly serviced. I will find work elsewhere and Edinburgh council can GTF.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

It would!! but I own a van with less than 45k on the clock, regularly serviced. I will find work elsewhere and Edinburgh council can GTF.

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If business in Edinburgh was so important why did you buy a non compliant van?

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Originally Posted by Jack

If business in Edinburgh was so important why did you buy a non compliant van?

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Had my van 9 years …was compliant when I bought it 🙄

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Had my van 9 years …was compliant when I bought it 🙄

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9 year old van with 45K on the clock. I'd invest in an electric cargo bike. No idea what you do for a trade but I've seen these modern e-bikes do some serious hauling with the right trailer. Less than 5K a year makes it sound like a lot of urban miles.

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Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales

9 year old van with 45K on the clock. I'd invest in an electric cargo bike. No idea what you do for a trade but I've seen these modern e-bikes do some serious hauling with the right trailer. Less than 5K a year makes it sound like a lot of urban miles.

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Bit hard to transport a full disco rig lighting, PA plus spares from Fife on a cargo bike

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Bit hard to transport a full disco rig lighting, PA plus spares from Fife on a cargo bike

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Yeah, hard but not impossible. I was surprised when I seen some of the loads these bikes could carry.
But seriously, you're looking at a final mile solution or a change of vehicle. It'd be ridiculous to cut yourself off from potential business when there are solutions out there.

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Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales

Yeah, hard but not impossible. I was surprised when I seen some of the loads these bikes could carry.
But seriously, you're looking at a final mile solution or a change of vehicle. It'd be ridiculous to cut yourself off from potential business when there are solutions out there.

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Cant take an electric bike on a motorway…and I am not forking out £30k on a new van. I am getting bookings outwith the zone so I will take the initial hit. The people who will suffer most are the wedding venues in Edinburgh. Also the couples who are paying more for their big day.

The solution is for the Council not be so inflexible for businesses to enter Edinburgh to work.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Cant take an electric bike on a motorway…and I am not forking out £30k on a new van. I am getting bookings outwith the zone so I will take the initial hit. The people who will suffer most are the wedding venues in Edinburgh. Also the couples who are paying more for their big day.

The solution is for the Council not be so inflexible for businesses to enter Edinburgh to work.

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The improvement in air quality will benefit everyone in the city though.


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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Cant take an electric bike on a motorway…and I am not forking out £30k on a new van. I am getting bookings outwith the zone so I will take the initial hit. The people who will suffer most are the wedding venues in Edinburgh. Also the couples who are paying more for their big day.

The solution is for the Council not be so inflexible for businesses to enter Edinburgh to work.

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Not sure if mentioned previously BH, but showmans vehicles ie the gypsy community are exempt. A high percent of those vehicles are ancient. How did they come to that decision.

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Originally Posted by Jack

If business in Edinburgh was so important why did you buy a non compliant van?

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What a ridiculous statement. Every vehicle was compliant till ULEZ was introduced into Scotland last year.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

The improvement in air quality will benefit everyone in the city though.


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No it will only improve it in the city centre. As every other vehicle will navigate around the zone making the air quality far worse outside the zone.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Cant take an electric bike on a motorway

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You miss understand me, when I said "final mile" I meant you could drive the vehicle of your choosing to the periphery of the ULEZ zone then complete the last section by any compliant means.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

The people who will suffer most are the wedding venues in Edinburgh. Also the couples who are paying more for their big day.

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Where there's a will there's a way, I've seen a lot more electric commercial vehicles on the city's streets recently. Tradesmen will adapt, whether that's their area of business or how they carry it out. Any voids left behind will eventually be filled, they always are.

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The solution is for the Council not be so inflexible for businesses to enter Edinburgh to work.

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Yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath on that point, they're not known for making u-turns.

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Originally Posted by Itsnoteasy

Not sure if mentioned previously BH, but showmans vehicles ie the gypsy community are exempt. A high percent of those vehicles are ancient. How did they come to that decision.

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I assume the council don’t want to upset the travelling community 🤷*♂️

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Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales

You miss understand me, when I said "final mile" I meant you could drive the vehicle of your choosing to the periphery of the ULEZ zone then complete the last section by any compliant means.

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Would that mean carrying a cargo bike and ramp in the van then rolling it out of the van at the ULEZ periphery?

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Would that mean carrying a cargo bike and ramp in the van then rolling it out of the van at the ULEZ periphery?

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That would be one option.