SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

It was a long time ago, bit before Blackford though, early 70s I think.

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It's never been private, unless you count the years when it was run by monks 😄 It's always been State.


It was "selective" at one time, just as Trinity and Gillespie's were.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Royal High school was not a private school…just considered a better state school but due to some parental clout he did not have to attend the local school for his catchment area.

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Royal High, Trinity Academy and James Gillespie's were all council run schools but you had to pass an entrance exam to get in until they became fully comprehensive in the early Seventies. Until about 1970 they were also fee paying schools although the fees were latterly about £5 per term.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Had this been DRoss or some of his lot you would be screaming it is a scandal …

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What school did D Ross go to? Looking forward to a good scream.

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Originally Posted by Sharon

Royal High, Trinity Academy and James Gillespie's were all council run schools but you had to pass an entrance exam to get in until they became fully comprehensive in the early Seventies. Until about 1970 they were also fee paying schools although the fees were latterly about £5 per term.

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Did you need to sit an entrance exam to get into Holy Cross Academy?

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Are threads criticising our SNP government forbidden on Hibs.net :confused:

If not I’ll continue even if it upsets your own perspective.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

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Oh dear, I seem to have negated myself from anything good I have ever done because I have lost perspective and have criticised SNP’s Great Leader :greengrin

This is place is getting like North Korea.

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Come ootae there, please! Have never voted SNP if ye must know. Anythin remotely tory & therefore nowadays union & therefore the utter lyin tripe that is brexit kinda gets my notice, kinda like you just did.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Had this been DRoss or some of his lot you would be screaming it is a scandal …

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I would? What makes you say that?

I can assure you I wouldn’t. There’s plenty to have a go at Douglas Ross for without picking at something pathetic.

Like I touched upon, I gave up giving a f*** what school someone attended at about erm…school age.

And whatever it is or isn’t.. it’s hardly a “scandal” 😂

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Originally Posted by majorhibs

Come ootae there, please! Have never voted SNP if ye must know. Anythin remotely tory & therefore nowadays union & therefore the utter lyin tripe that is brexit kinda gets my notice, kinda like you just did.

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Well if it calms your body I voted remain in the 2016 referendum.

But the majority voted leave, so , in a democracy that’s what happens and the ones on the loosing side should accept it.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

It's never been private, unless you count the years when it was run by monks 😄 It's always been State.


It was "selective" at one time, just as Trinity and Gillespie's were.

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Oops, my mistake. My mum taught there in the 80s as well.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Well if it calms your body I voted remain in the 2016 referendum.

But the majority voted leave, so , in a democracy that’s what happens and the ones on the loosing side should accept it.

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Slavers like yersel can keep tae yersel, mate, we aw ken how that went but you & mogg & bo & yer zillionaires just keep smug.

If you're looking for schooling scandals... I went to a 'Grammar School' that wasn't actually a real Grammar School


I'm ashamed of it to this day.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I don't doubt you're totally sincere in that but you just need to look at the undisguised glee at the reporting of GERS "deficits" etc.

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Are the GERS numbers not produced by the Scottish government or is it the Scottish part of the Westminster government? I get they are an extrapolation from other numbers and not totally accurate but they are a best estimation. I recall McKay was going to produce alternative GERS numbers but don’t think they were ever delivered.

I was trying to think of Tory policies that specifically were bad for scotlands economy and the only example I could think of was the carbon capture site. However I don’t think that was specifically targeting Scotland but instead chose other sites.

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Originally Posted by Skol

Are the GERS numbers not produced by the Scottish government or is it the Scottish part of the Westminster government? I get they are an extrapolation from other numbers and not totally accurate but they are a best estimation. I recall McKay was going to produce alternative GERS numbers but don’t think they were ever delivered.

I was trying to think of Tory policies that specifically were bad for scotlands economy and the only example I could think of was the carbon capture site. However I don’t think that was specifically targeting Scotland but instead chose other sites.

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https://www.gov.scot/publications/go...tland-2020-21/

Its our Scottish Government that produces the GERS stats.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Well if it calms your body I voted remain in the 2016 referendum.

But the majority voted leave, so , in a democracy that’s what happens and the ones on the loosing side should accept it.

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I think everyone has accepted it. Why still whine on about that.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

https://www.gov.scot/publications/go...tland-2020-21/

Its our Scottish Government that produces the GERS stats.

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Where do they get the figures from?

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Originally Posted by degenerated

Where do they get the figures from?

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The Gers?

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

The Gers?

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As I understand it, they calculate the expenditure relating to devolved spend and the revenue figures along with reserved spend are provided by the treasury.

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Originally Posted by Kato

I think everyone has accepted it. Why still whine on about that.

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Who’s whining, apart from yourself.

I was responding to post 215 which , I think , accused me of being a brexiteer and spouting lying tripe :confused:

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Originally Posted by Skol

Are the GERS numbers not produced by the Scottish government or is it the Scottish part of the Westminster government? I get they are an extrapolation from other numbers and not totally accurate but they are a best estimation. I recall McKay was going to produce alternative GERS numbers but don’t think they were ever delivered.

I was trying to think of Tory policies that specifically were bad for scotlands economy and the only example I could think of was the carbon capture site. However I don’t think that was specifically targeting Scotland but instead chose other sites.

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Gets are Produced by the SG I think, I think that's a red herring though, the numbers are the numbers whoever produces them. There's also the ONS figures (I think?)

It feels like those on either side seem to latch onto something and stretch it to.meet their argument.

UK gov. is trying to.do the best for everyone (its in their own best interests), its just that indy supporters think a Scot gov could maybe do better.

In terms of the figures and folks jumping on them, unionists "gleefully" point out the deficit (directly or indirectly hinting at the 'too wee to poor' claim). Whilst the indy side points out that it includes many things an iScotland wouldn't be paying for or skews the figures .. Trident, HS2, Westminster refurb, the oil fields to the east of Dundee being attributed to England etc....

As usual the truth will be somewhere in between:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Kato

I think everyone has accepted it.

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I haven't accepted it. The issue should never have been put to a referendum in the first place, and the "win" was obtained by illegal means, and as seems to be clearer each day, with interference in the vote from Russia in order to destabilise the EU. Some things are just stupid. Having lots of people voting for something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Produced by the SG I think, I think that's a red herring though, the numbers are the numbers whoever produces them.

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I can tell you're not an accountant, are you? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by grunt

Some things are just stupid. Having lots of people voting for something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

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In the last GE, Dorries got almost 60% of the vote in her constituency.

The GERS figures every year are a great reminder of how badly Scotland does as part of the union. And every year unionists rejoice in how poor we are getting. It’s always a weird week.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

The GERS figures every year are a great reminder of how badly Scotland does as part of the union. And every year unionists rejoice in how poor we are getting. It’s always a weird week.


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But when GERs showed a surplus they were what? A great advert of how well Scotland was doing?

Nicola Sturgeon said they made the case for Scottish Independence.

Politicians being politicians will say whatever to make their points.

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Originally Posted by grunt

I haven't accepted it. The issue should never have been put to a referendum in the first place, and the "win" was obtained by illegal means, and as seems to be clearer each day, with interference in the vote from Russia in order to destabilise the EU. Some things are just stupid. Having lots of people voting for something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid.

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You've accepted is as in you aren't rioting or doing anything undemocratic.

Discussing the effects and the actual process is democratic but lots of people seem to think that that is "not accepting" the result, which is just rubbish.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Who’s whining, apart from yourself.

I was responding to post 215 which , I think , accused me of being a brexiteer and spouting lying tripe :confused:

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1 out 2 isn't bad.

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Originally Posted by James310

But when GERs showed a surplus they were what? A great advert of how well Scotland was doing?

Nicola Sturgeon said they made the case for Scottish Independence.

Politicians being politicians will say whatever to make their points.

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You can’t get away from the fact that Scotland is poorer than our neighbours. Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway are all much richer than we are. What is the unionist plan to fix this? The answer is that there isn’t one. It’s all about centralising power and wealth in London.


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Originally Posted by Skol

Are the GERS numbers not produced by the Scottish government or is it the Scottish part of the Westminster government? I get they are an extrapolation from other numbers and not totally accurate but they are a best estimation. I recall McKay was going to produce alternative GERS numbers but don’t think they were ever delivered.

I was trying to think of Tory policies that specifically were bad for scotlands economy and the only example I could think of was the carbon capture site. However I don’t think that was specifically targeting Scotland but instead chose other sites.

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Your last paragraph. Only £596 million mitigation in the last financial year. Small change to the Westminster elites, but making a difference in many areas of Scotland. The seven new social security payments alone are making a difference to families and the economy, and that's before the only one you can remember.

This thread is showing a clear line in the sand from people who get irate at paying an extra penny on income tax to help those less fortunate.

It makes me more determined than ever to continue talking up our country, rather than hiding behind more tory lies.

If you can't see the difference in policies, you're not looking hard enough.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

You can’t get away from the fact that Scotland is poorer than our neighbours. Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway are all much richer than we are. What is the unionist plan to fix this? The answer is that there isn’t one. It’s all about centralising power and wealth in London.


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A bigger begging bowl?

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Your last paragraph. Only £596 million mitigation in the last financial year. Small change to the Westminster elites, but making a difference in many areas of Scotland. The seven new social security payments alone are making a difference to families and the economy, and that's before the only one you can remember.

This thread is showing a clear line in the sand from people who get irate at paying an extra penny on income tax to help those less fortunate.

It makes me more determined than ever to continue talking up our country, rather than hiding behind more tory lies.

If you can't see the difference in policies, you're not looking hard enough.

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I can see difference in policies between Westminster and holyrood, but the point made was that Tory policies specifically are bad for Scotland and to make us poorer. I don’t think that they are just bad for Scotland, but are bad for many parts of the UK.

Odd that you have brought in the taxation point as I don’t think that’s been discussed on this thread. When we voted for devolution I was against it, but I did vote in favour of the tax raising powers as I was pretty certain we would vote in favour of devolution and I felt in that case the tax raising powers were important.

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Originally Posted by Skol

I can see difference in policies between Westminster and holyrood, but the point made was that Tory policies specifically are bad for Scotland and to make us poorer. I don’t think that they are just bad for Scotland, but are bad for many parts of the UK.

Odd that you have brought in the taxation point as I don’t think that’s been discussed on this thread. When we voted for devolution I was against it, but I did vote in favour of the tax raising powers as I was pretty certain we would vote in favour of devolution and I felt in that case the tax raising powers were important.

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The party you support is in government in Wales. What have you done do mitigate policies there?

On the tax question, according to latest figures 55% of Scots pay less tax.