I'm pretty sure that Hearts have only had the better of the H2H in 4 seasons out of the last 10. So it's hardly the case that they're regularly taking 8/9 points off us.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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I'm pretty sure that Hearts have only had the better of the H2H in 4 seasons out of the last 10. So it's hardly the case that they're regularly taking 8/9 points off us.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
https://www.londonhearts.com/scores/tea/hibernian.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
42 games since 2009-10 season, including cup games.
Hearts 19 wins, 13 draws, Hibs 10 wins. So we have less than a 25% win ratio v them. That will make next season more of a challenge for us.
what a horrible fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Originally Posted by flash
You can be smart if you want, but only a fool would deny that there were fewer obstacles to third place in this league campaign than usual.
2019/2020 - where the season was cut short, was the first time in 6 attempts that Hearts had won more derbies in a season than we had.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
So I wouldn't consider it accurate that they "routinely take more points off us".
EDIT - albeit catching up on earlier posts, I would agree next season will be more challenging.
If somebody using the term ‘hibsed it’ actually causes hurt then football fans much be much thinner skinned than I thought. Anybody who says that to me gets something back in return, it’s nothing more than banter.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
How not accepting mediocrity manifests itself has still not been satisfactorily explained by anybody yet. Given that its thrown out pretty regularly, with the sub text being those who aren’t still raging after over a week are accepting sub standard performances then I would expect that some sort of positive action would be proposed. But apparently it means effectively giving up by no longer buying season tickets etc. That looks more like accepting mediocrity to me than the alternative of continuing to back the club to see us build on the firm foundations that have already been put in place. I’m under no illusions about how much work there remains to be done but I’d rather be building on third place and a cup final appearance than a bottom six finish.
As for being down several thousand season tickets from last season we have already sold over 9000 compared to last seasons 11000 which is truly remarkable in the Covid period.
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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
We played Dundee Utd 3 times in the league and got 7 points.
We also beat them 2-0 in a cup tie.
Would we have got those results against Hearts? On recent evidence, not likely.
Back on topic i think it would have been tougher to take if it wasn't during Covid and we were all there. Walked out of Hampden with 40k others when Livinston beat us in the final and to this day it's still the worst i've ever felt after a game despite the other disasters the club like to thow at us from time to time. Last season all felt a but surreal.
No chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
We will do very well to even get two wins v Hearts next season.
That's the spirit! As usual!Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
Hearts will probably beat us twice next season before they play their bottom six fixtures. We are their everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
For two of those seasons we weren't even in the same league as them. The stats I quoted are based on the meetings between sides from the past ten seasons. They show we have a win ratio lower than 25% over that time. We could extrapolate that over the past 40 years and it won't look much better, indeed it's probably a lot worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
Hibs have only won more games v them in a season twice in the past ten years, sadly those were the two season when we had no league games and beat them in the cups. They have done so six times. Those are the hard stats, ****ing grim reading really.
What recent evidence would that be? With exception of St Johnstone and the top 2, we must have averaged 6 or 7 points against most teams. Why would we not be confident to get 6 or 7 points against Hearts?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
We've won our last 2 visits to Tynecastle. Under Robbie Neilson they played us 6 times (I think?) previously and won only once. Jack Ross has a 50% win rate in league derbies.
Think this comes down to a glass half full kinda view, which is fine. We finished 3rd by a 7 point margin though. If we drop a few more points to Hearts, so be it. Personally I would certainly fancy us to win the H2H over the season and finish above them.
That's what people forget. We didn't even scrape 3rd and if it wasn't for shooting ourselves in the foot against Motherwell and St Johnstone we'd have absolutely skooshed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
3 times. We were unbeaten 2012/13, winning one and drawing 3 in the league. Beating them in the Scottish Cup also.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
And Hearts have only won more games 4 times in the past 10 years. So it's pretty even.
Seasons ending 2011 to 2020
Exactly - and people wonder why we don't strut on to the park and over-run teams, yet any player that looks on here will learn how pish we are regardless of what the statistics say.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Since452
And if Aberdeen hadn’t collapsed? What then?
I’ve not forgotten the details, it’s all quite fresh in the mind thanks.
We had our barren spells too - what if we hadn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
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Originally Posted by Peevemor
Not you.
You would be hard pressed to find a more negative critique of Hibs last season on Kickback.
I'm not that bothered by the use of that term, although I do object to so called Hibs fans using it on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Are you sure about having sold 9000 season tickets already. I thought it c 7000?
I agree that we are building from a position of relative success. I would like to say a firm foundation, but I suspect that before the transfer window ends, we will see a significant turnover of players who contributed greatly to our third place finish last season.
Again speaking personally, I've never used the term "accepting/not accepting mediocrity". I don't really like it.
The reasons for buying or not buying season tickets are all about individual choice. Some can't afford it, others choose not to because they feel that they have better things to do with their money, albeit that they may contribute in other ways over the course of the season. I never bought a season ticket last year for a mixture of those two factors, but when I add up donations and purchase of TV viewing, it still added up to a decent wedge. I always admire the commitment of fellow fans who put their money in up front regardless of how good or otherwise the team has played.
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Originally Posted by flash
Is it aye?
Kickback is full of morons, who cares what they think.
I want Hibs to improve and maybe even fulfil our potential for once. Our failures at key moments last season became worryingly predictable and are worthy of discussion.
You can sweep it all under the carpet if you want, but if you don’t learn from your mistakes, how do you improve?
Many of the same posters on here parroting the ‘let’s move on, all is great’ line will be the same ones imploring us all to buy more tickets, buy into Hibs Supporters, etc.
Do you know the reason why the fanbase might be reluctant? Days like this season’s Scottish Cup Final. And the League Cup. And the delayed SC semi final.
You can talk about Ron’s plans for the club and the aim of competing at the top more consistently all you want, but the SC Final was the moment when it should have all come together. And it didn’t.
Looks like we pretty much agree on things. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
The club announced we had sold 9000 season tickets yesterday on Twitter.
Superb effort from all concerned. That's incredible backing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
:top marks
Why are some Hibs fans so offended when other Hibs fans say Hibsed it or use it as a term?
The term doesn't bother me at all and is quite apt at times.
I’ll tell you what, I admire your stamina, I couldn’t keep that level of anger going for more then a few minutes , let alone ten days. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Who is sweeping anything under the carpet? There might be a disagreement about whether the club has something oh you build on or not.... I think it has..... but every single one of us felt the same pain at the manner of the defeat when the final whistle went last week.
Again, who is saying it’s all great? Just because we aren’t all frothing at the mouth doesn’t mean we don’t share some concerns about the club we all love. It comes across as you thinking you care more then those you are pointing the finger at and I don’t think you really mean that.
You really don't help yourself sometimes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Hibs
This thread man :drunk:
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Nope that’s not my intention at all. It’s a familiar criticism of fans expressing negative opinion but I am not one to declare a result ‘unacceptable’ as if that somehow makes me a more passionate supporter.
However the title of this thread and many of the replies tells the other side of the story.
My view is that the SC Final was a really damaging result. Time will tell, but if we want to ‘get over it’ we need to see a different approach from this club.
As they say, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is a sign of madness.
Bored in the house with no one to argue with?!!Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Accepting mediocrity is simply an expression. You’re an intelligent guy, you don’t need anyone to explain it to you..