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02-01-2021, 07:11 PM
SlickShoes

People that want Ross sacked or to walk away while we are 4th in the league and doing reasonably well overall, who do you think should replace him? who is good enough for you?

I have supported hibs since 1983 and havent seen us ever be consistently good, we are in the race for 3rd no matter how you spin it. The last two games have been awful but I'm not really sure what people expect from supporting hibs? was there an alternate timeline I missed where we were a force to be reckoned with?
02-01-2021, 07:12 PM
A Hi-Bee

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Originally Posted by neil7908

Absolutely no way should he be getting the sack.

But pressure is on. The semi loss against Hearts was a sore one, if (and that's a big if) we don't win the LC he's going to struggle to win back the fans.

All teams lose games and have poor performances but the last couple have been a real shocker. They don't feel like bad days at the office - every player was poor, and the manager didn't seem to know how to change things.

I fear we are at the start of a downward spiral but I'd love to be proven wrong.

I am with you on the downward spiral and of course hope I am wrong as well, although seen this type of thing happen so many times with Hibs, it really is a bit of a mystery.
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02-01-2021, 07:13 PM
SweetDreams

He needs to go.
02-01-2021, 07:14 PM
A Hi-Bee

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Originally Posted by Hibiza

3rd place , no chance. No inspiration , no motivation , just another day in the office. Get pelters no doubt , truth hurts.

No interested in what happens in the office but what happens on the pitch, we need to turn this slide around and we need to do it fast.
02-01-2021, 07:16 PM
A Hi-Bee

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Originally Posted by SweetDreams

He needs to go.

Replaced by who!
I keep asking this question but dont seem to get many straight or plausable replies, we sack J.R. and replace him with who.
02-01-2021, 07:17 PM
loanheadhibby

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Originally Posted by SlickShoes

People that want Ross sacked or to walk away while we are 4th in the league and doing reasonably well overall, who do you think should replace him? who is good enough for you?

I have supported hibs since 1983 and havent seen us ever be consistently good, we are in the race for 3rd no matter how you spin it. The last two games have been awful but I'm not really sure what people expect from supporting hibs? was there an alternate timeline I missed where we were a force to be reckoned with?

We are not consistently good. We are dire and boring to watch. There is no excitement. It’s like watching paint dry.

We have consistently got results but that does not necessarily mean we have played well.

You can’t keep a manager just because you have no one else in mind to replace him.

If I’m Jack Ross, today is a significant day. Lots of fans starting to turn on him and with the semi final defeat to them, it’s the start of a slippery slope.
02-01-2021, 07:17 PM
SweetDreams

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Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee

Replaced by who!
I keep asking this question but dont seem to get many straight or plausable replies, we sack J.R. and replace him with who.

That’s up to the board to decide, do you think he will win anything with us? Fair enough he won a Scottish Championship with St Mirren but what has he done since?
02-01-2021, 07:21 PM
SlickShoes

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

We are not consistently good. We are dire and boring to watch. There is no excitement. It’s like watching paint dry.

We have consistently got results but that does not necessarily mean we have played well.

You can’t keep a manager just because you have no one else in mind to replace him.

If I’m Jack Ross, today is a significant day. Lots of fans starting to turn on him and with the semi final defeat to them, it’s the start of a slippery slope.

I didn't say we are consistently good though, we never have been. My whole life supporting hibs has been hoping we don't play like today and hoping we have one of our good days.

Also, you can keep a manager because there is no replacement, but Jack is doing better than most Hibs managers in my lifetime so far. He is doing pretty well overall and unless we lose the next 3 or 4 games on the bounce that will continue to be statistically true.
02-01-2021, 07:22 PM
A Hi-Bee

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Originally Posted by SweetDreams

That’s up to the board to decide, do you think he will win anything with us? Fair enough he won a Scottish Championship with St Mirren but what has he done since?

I am no too fussed one way or the other, just wonder who would replace him, your question/comment is a wee bit like asking "what have the Romans ever done for us"
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02-01-2021, 07:23 PM
Allant1981

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Originally Posted by SweetDreams

That’s up to the board to decide, do you think he will win anything with us? Fair enough he won a Scottish Championship with St Mirren but what has he done since?

Do we only sign a manager if he has won something, our list of potential managers will be very short if and when Jack Ross leaves
02-01-2021, 07:24 PM
SlickShoes

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Originally Posted by SweetDreams

That’s up to the board to decide, do you think he will win anything with us? Fair enough he won a Scottish Championship with St Mirren but what has he done since?

He was Sunderland manager and statistically better than the previous manager they had and any one that came after him.
02-01-2021, 07:24 PM
BoltonHibee

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Not really. We’re 4th.

I could equally say that moronic GTF attitudes like yours after a couple of bad results just leads to more of the same.

I’d like us to be better than mediocre and believe that we have a manager who can improve us even more in the longer term.

Moronic? He’ll be sacked at some point. His football is eye bleeding. Can’t stand watching his teams. Has no idea to set up in games we should be winning, especially at home.

My opinion, but hardly moronic you tube

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02-01-2021, 07:25 PM
SweetDreams

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Originally Posted by allant1981

Do we only sign a manager if he has won something, our list of potential managers will be very short if and when Jack Ross leaves

Are you happy to lose at home to the likes of Ross County and Livingston with a goal difference of -5? As well as losing to our championship rivals in a Scottish cup semi final?
02-01-2021, 07:25 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee

Replaced by who!
I keep asking this question but dont seem to get many straight or plausable replies, we sack J.R. and replace him with who.

I’m not one that’s saying he should be sacked but it’s a stupid question.

There’s a whole world of football people out there, the idea that the only one that can do it is Jack Ross is ridiculous. Whoever does replace him will go through a recruitment process.

Fwiw Mathie said in the long angers podcast he was on that we were looking at the guy who went to Barnsley I think it was. He was a manager in Germany before so the idea that your average supporter on a forum would know all the possible replacements is a non starter.
02-01-2021, 07:26 PM
SweetDreams

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Originally Posted by SlickShoes

He was Sunderland manager and statistically better than the previous manager they had and any one that came after him.

But still failed in his main target of getting promoted.
02-01-2021, 07:27 PM
Hibees1973

If he loses the next semi final punt him.
02-01-2021, 07:28 PM
SlickShoes

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Originally Posted by SweetDreams

But still failed in his main target of getting promoted.

What do you think the realistic goals are for hibs?

Win the league? do you live on the moon?

It will be to get to the latter stages of the cup and finish in the top 6. We have NEVER consistently finished in the top six over multiple seasons. That is our level.

If you want to get better you need to build something, we change managers all the ****ing time, he's only been here just over a year and has a better record than most modern hibs managers.
02-01-2021, 07:30 PM
SweetDreams

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

What do you think the realistic goals are for hibs?

Win the league? do you live on the moon?

It will be to get to the latter stages of the cup and finish in the top 6. We have NEVER consistently finished in the top six over multiple seasons. That is our level.

If you want to get better you need to build something, we change managers all the ****ing time, he's only been here just over a year and has a better record than most modern hibs managers.

With Aberdeen being pretty poor for their standards this season I fully expect us to be 3rd with a much better home record and a Scottish Cup final appearance.
02-01-2021, 07:30 PM
Stuart93

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Originally Posted by SlickShoes

What do you think the realistic goals are for hibs?

Win the league? do you live on the moon?

It will be to get to the latter stages of the cup and finish in the top 6. We have NEVER consistently finished in the top six over multiple seasons. That is our level.

If you want to get better you need to build something, we change managers all the ****ing time, he's only been here just over a year and has a better record than most modern hibs managers.

Our realistic goal should never just be a top 6 finish.

A club of our size should be aiming for European football every single time without fail. An it’s a very very realistic one.
02-01-2021, 07:31 PM
SlickShoes

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Originally Posted by SweetDreams

With Aberdeen being pretty poor for their standards this season I fully expect us to be 3rd with a much better home record and a Scottish Cup final appearance.

Aberdeen are much stronger than we are with a much better squad overall, not sure why you would expect this.
02-01-2021, 07:33 PM
SlickShoes

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

Our realistic goal should never just be a top 6 finish.

A club of our size should be aiming for European football every single time without fail. An it’s a very very realistic one.

It should be, but we rarely come close nevermind with any consistency. Things don't happen overnight, you need to work towards it, we dont give him one transfer window during a pandemic then hit 3rd consistently for 4 years running. We have made progress from where we were last year, it's been an AWFUL last week or so, and losing to hearts was terrible, but this doesnt represent the whole picture.
02-01-2021, 07:34 PM
GreenCastle

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Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee

Replaced by who!
I keep asking this question but dont seem to get many straight or plausable replies, we sack J.R. and replace him with who.

There are hundreds of managers in the U.K. and abroad who would be interested to work at a capital city club pushing for Europe.
02-01-2021, 07:34 PM
SweetDreams

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Originally Posted by SlickShoes

Aberdeen are much stronger than we are with a much better squad overall, not sure why you would expect this.

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if we end up throwing 4th and don’t win the league cup when we are favourites. I hate to feel that way but it’s probably the reality of the situation we find ourselves in.
02-01-2021, 07:35 PM
HibeeHibernian4

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

Today.
Ross County.
St Johnstone.
Alloa.
Dundee Utd.
Semi Final
Sheep x 2.
Motherwell at home.
Clinging on at home 3 up against Hamilton.

It's a major, major cause for concern. County scored during the week, game over. Livi today, game over, Aberdeen away and home... That's not mentioning hammered to the worst Celtic side in 6 years nor the derby last year when Hearts couldn't buy a bloody win.

No fight or creation, we never look like coming back after we lose the first game coupled by we look like losing or throwing away games having starting games no bad.

It's his squad. We have bigger and better ones than the majority of teams above.

Have I imagined us beating Alloa and being in the semi finals? :confused:
02-01-2021, 07:36 PM
SweetDreams

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Originally Posted by HFCEighteen75

Have I imagined us beating Alloa and being in the semi finals? :confused:

Scraping a win against Alloa is hardly something to be proud of. Even Hecky managed a league cup semi final.
02-01-2021, 07:37 PM
SlickShoes

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

There are hundreds of managers in the U.K. and abroad who would be interested to work at a capital city club pushing for Europe.

If we are pushing for Europe then why are you sacking the manager?
02-01-2021, 07:37 PM
B.H.F.C

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

What do you think the realistic goals are for hibs?

Win the league? do you live on the moon?

It will be to get to the latter stages of the cup and finish in the top 6. We have NEVER consistently finished in the top six over multiple seasons. That is our level.

If you want to get better you need to build something, we change managers all the ****ing time, he's only been here just over a year and has a better record than most modern hibs managers.

My issue with Ross is that I can’t really see how he wants to play. Generally, when we’ve had good teams/managers it’s been quite apparent. When you look at the signings, I’m not really sure that some of them are being brought in to serve a specific purpose as you would expect when you’re trying to build a team.

I think we’ve done all right because we have better players than most of the teams in the league but I don’t think he’s getting the maximum he can out of many (if any) of them.

I’ve not really enjoyed watching us this year and whilst I probably don’t think we should be considering punting him at the moment, I wouldn’t miss him if he was away.
02-01-2021, 07:37 PM
SweetDreams

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

If we are pushing for Europe then why are you sacking the manager?

Because we will end up losing our place in Europe.
02-01-2021, 07:38 PM
GreenCastle

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickShoes

What do you think the realistic goals are for hibs?

Win the league? do you live on the moon?

It will be to get to the latter stages of the cup and finish in the top 6. We have NEVER consistently finished in the top six over multiple seasons. That is our level.

If you want to get better you need to build something, we change managers all the ****ing time, he's only been here just over a year and has a better record than most modern hibs managers.

Top 3/4 minimum but performing well - not losing to dross. Occasionally beating Aberdeen and Hearts also!

Top 5 / 6 is failure for me in a dross league with our resources.

Regarding cups..it’s hard to win a cup but we have a great chance with the draw and old firm / Aberdeen and Hearts out.

My worry is we lose the semi and then sack the manager when it’s too late.

Even if we win the semi - we play 2 teams who have just beat us - only positive may be that we won’t let it happen again??!

But I understand the building and stability part - I’m just shocked how this week has turned out as after Ibrox we had a balanced team and we have pressed self destruct with dodgy team selections / performances and subs during the game.
02-01-2021, 07:41 PM
GreenCastle

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

My issue with Ross is that I can’t really see how he wants to play. Generally, when we’ve had good teams/managers it’s been quite apparent. When you look at the signings, I’m not really sure that some of them are being brought in to serve a specific purpose as you would expect when you’re trying to build a team.

I think we’ve done all right because we have better players than most of the teams in the league but I don’t think he’s getting the maximum he can out of many (if any) of them.

I’ve not really enjoyed watching us this year and whilst I probably don’t think we should be considering punting him at the moment, I wouldn’t miss him if he was away.

I agree with this and that’s why I’m concerned.

The lack of a solid spine and midfield especially is a problem.

We haven’t got the midfield right since SJM left and you could argue we have lost players like Horgan / Bartley and Efe who would fit into the current team.

Our recruitment hasn’t exactly helped either as we have used money to bring players in to not play much.

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