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23-10-2020, 04:17 PM
Sir David Gray

20530 cases and 224 deaths registered in the UK today.
23-10-2020, 04:25 PM
HH81

How many cases were they when we were getting 900+ deaths a day? Anyone know?
23-10-2020, 04:34 PM
Sir David Gray

Quote:

Originally Posted by HH81

How many cases were they when we were getting 900+ deaths a day? Anyone know?

About 5000-ish.

It's really not a good comparison as the testing just wasn't there back in April.

It's estimated that there were 100,000 cases per day in England back then.
23-10-2020, 04:35 PM
RyeSloan

Wales going ahead with their bonkers banning of supermarkets selling ‘non essentials’

Their first minister says it for fairness to the small shops then in the same breath suggests there is a way around the problem by either friends or family helping out or, maybe finally realising he doesn’t live in 1980 anymore, that stuff can just be ordered online.

So the long and short of it is...need something ‘non essential’ (no definition supplied) for the next 17 days in Wales just use Amazon...as that’s totally fair to the smaller retailers!
23-10-2020, 04:35 PM
danhibees1875

Quote:

Originally Posted by HH81

How many cases were they when we were getting 900+ deaths a day? Anyone know?

That was back when testing was much less so the accuracy of how many cases there actually were was fairly low.

But to answer your question, roughly 3-5k a day.
23-10-2020, 04:37 PM
GlesgaeHibby

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Wales going ahead with their bonkers banning of supermarkets selling ‘non essentials’

Their first minister says it for fairness to the small shops then in the same breath suggests there is a way around the problem by either friends or family helping out or, maybe finally realising he doesn’t live in 1980 anymore, that stuff can just be ordered online.

So the long and short of it is...need something ‘non essential’ (no definition supplied) for the next 17 days in Wales just use Amazon...as that’s totally fair to the smaller retailers!

Utterly nuts.

https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1319622754522583040?s=19
23-10-2020, 04:51 PM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

They are all in the same boat at this stage - with the possible exception of Trump who is hopefully now toast as well as doing more harm than good. The virus is in charge as it always has been until there is an effective vaccine - and it can be manufactured to give to 80% of the global population and it can be administered to 80% of the global population within a short enough time-frame to get the general immunity we are looking for from THIS version of it.

However Johnson, Sturgeon and all the rest would have done themselves a lot of favours of at the outset they had co-opted other parties and leaders into this - perhaps by setting up cross-party covid leadership committees. They needn't have gone as far as creating national governments but something that involved the opposition would have made all of their messaging more credible and sustainable.

Regardless of what Johnson wants on Brexit or Sturgeon on independence, the Covid crisis and its management is going to be the defining issue of their political careers. I don't think they've met it with enough transparency, consistency or sufficient lack of politics to be seen to have passed the test on this well. The enquiries to follow will determine that.

Conflating Johnson and Sturgeon is a nonsense imo. Totally different performances and personality characteristics. It is a complete no win situation as there will always be someone criticising whatever decision is made on anything. Sometimes the benefit of opposition.
23-10-2020, 04:52 PM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Wales going ahead with their bonkers banning of supermarkets selling ‘non essentials’

Their first minister says it for fairness to the small shops then in the same breath suggests there is a way around the problem by either friends or family helping out or, maybe finally realising he doesn’t live in 1980 anymore, that stuff can just be ordered online.

So the long and short of it is...need something ‘non essential’ (no definition supplied) for the next 17 days in Wales just use Amazon...as that’s totally fair to the smaller retailers!

Are alcohol and cigarettes nonessential? :greengrin
23-10-2020, 05:00 PM
bawheid

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Conflating Johnson and Sturgeon is a nonsense imo. Totally different performances and personality characteristics. It is a complete no win situation as there will always be someone criticising whatever decision is made on anything. Sometimes the benefit of opposition.

Sometimes I think she should just hand the reigns to Richard Leonard for a week or so. Can you imagine?
23-10-2020, 05:01 PM
One Day Soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Conflating Johnson and Sturgeon is a nonsense imo. Totally different performances and personality characteristics. It is a complete no win situation as there will always be someone criticising whatever decision is made on anything. Sometimes the benefit of opposition.

I'm not conflating them, they're both in charge of their respective countries. Both could have co-opted the opposition by sharing responsibility for determining the response and management. Neither have. This issue will define them both and, I suspect, not well.
23-10-2020, 05:01 PM
goosano

The cases per 100,000, 7 day average in local authority areas. This weeks figure first, last weeks figure to the right. Falkirk, Stirling and Fife figures included this time to avert a rebellion :na na:

South Lanarkshire 391 299
North Lanarkshire 369 268
Glasgow City 300 248
Renfrewshire 240 211
West Lothian 227 228
East Renfrewshire 220 161
East Ayrshire 209 204
North Ayrshire 203 140
W Dunbartonshire 193 441
Dundee 181 167
Edinburgh City 91 125
Falkirk 90 79
Stirling 84 86
Inverclyde 75 209
East Lothian 69 62
Fife 67 60
Dumfries and Galloway 65 121
Aberdeen City 55 80
Borders 41 36
Highland 26 18
Orkney 22 255
Moray 19 39
Shetland 9 148
23-10-2020, 05:01 PM
One Day Soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Wales going ahead with their bonkers banning of supermarkets selling ‘non essentials’

Their first minister says it for fairness to the small shops then in the same breath suggests there is a way around the problem by either friends or family helping out or, maybe finally realising he doesn’t live in 1980 anymore, that stuff can just be ordered online.

So the long and short of it is...need something ‘non essential’ (no definition supplied) for the next 17 days in Wales just use Amazon...as that’s totally fair to the smaller retailers!

It's glorious in its complete incoherence.
23-10-2020, 05:02 PM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by bawheid

Sometimes I think she should just hand the reigns to Richard Leonard for a week or so. Can you imagine?

Yep she should do it to call his bluff. Him and Jackie Baillie would be a hoot.
23-10-2020, 05:06 PM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by goosano

The cases per 100,000, 7 day average in local authority areas. This weeks figure first, last weeks figure to the right. Falkirk, Stirling and Fife figures included this time to avert a rebellion :na na:

South Lanarkshire 391 299
North Lanarkshire 369 268
Glasgow City 300 248
Renfrewshire 240 211
West Lothian 227 228
East Renfrewshire 220 161
East Ayrshire 209 204
North Ayrshire 203 140
W Dunbartonshire 193 441
Dundee 181 167
Edinburgh City 91 125
Falkirk 90 79
Stirling 84 86
Inverclyde 75 209
East Lothian 69 62
Fife 67 60
Dumfries and Galloway 65 121
Aberdeen City 55 80
Borders 41 36
Highland 26 18
Orkney 22 255
Moray 19 39
Shetland 9 148

Some encouraging figures there I think outwith Lanarkshire.. Are Orkney and Shetland last week figures correct?
23-10-2020, 05:07 PM
Rocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by goosano

The cases per 100,000, 7 day average in local authority areas. This weeks figure first, last weeks figure to the right. Falkirk, Stirling and Fife figures included this time to avert a rebellion :na na:

South Lanarkshire 391 299
North Lanarkshire 369 268
Glasgow City 300 248
Renfrewshire 240 211
West Lothian 227 228
East Renfrewshire 220 161
East Ayrshire 209 204
North Ayrshire 203 140
W Dunbartonshire 193 441
Dundee 181 167
Edinburgh City 91 125
Falkirk 90 79
Stirling 84 86
Inverclyde 75 209
East Lothian 69 62
Fife 67 60
Dumfries and Galloway 65 121
Aberdeen City 55 80
Borders 41 36
Highland 26 18
Orkney 22 255
Moray 19 39
Shetland 9 148

Good to see the Lothians coming down. Falkirk and Fife heading up though, clearly current restrictions aren't severe enough for them. Get them papped into Tier 4
23-10-2020, 05:09 PM
Pretty Boy

Quote:

Originally Posted by goosano

The cases per 100,000, 7 day average in local authority areas. This weeks figure first, last weeks figure to the right. Falkirk, Stirling and Fife figures included this time to avert a rebellion :na na:

South Lanarkshire 391 299
North Lanarkshire 369 268
Glasgow City 300 248
Renfrewshire 240 211
West Lothian 227 228
East Renfrewshire 220 161
East Ayrshire 209 204
North Ayrshire 203 140
W Dunbartonshire 193 441
Dundee 181 167
Edinburgh City 91 125
Falkirk 90 79
Stirling 84 86
Inverclyde 75 209
East Lothian 69 62
Fife 67 60
Dumfries and Galloway 65 121
Aberdeen City 55 80
Borders 41 36
Highland 26 18
Orkney 22 255
Moray 19 39
Shetland 9 148

So we currently have a situation in which Dundee is under lesser restrictions than East Lothian and Edinburgh despite having an far worse number of cases per 100K?

When you see the figures laid out like that it's madness it's taken this long to realise health boards may not be the best way to measure and deal with things.
23-10-2020, 05:11 PM
JimBHibees

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Day Soon

I'm not conflating them, they're both in charge of their respective countries. Both could have co-opted the opposition by sharing responsibility for determining the response and management. Neither have. This issue will define them both and, I suspect, not well.

Thought there has been discussions with other parties certainly in Scotland I think. One of the main issues appears to be the complete lack of engagement from Westminster with devolved parliaments. When Mark Drakeford indicated I think in September that he hadn't heard anything from Johnson since May then something is far wrong.
23-10-2020, 05:12 PM
Moulin Yarns

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Day Soon

It's glorious in its complete incoherence.

Aye, that's labour for you. 🤔😁
23-10-2020, 05:13 PM
One Day Soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by bawheid

Sometimes I think she should just hand the reigns to Richard Leonard for a week or so. Can you imagine?

Yeah, no-one should ever do that. I'd co-opt all the leaders on this though.
23-10-2020, 05:14 PM
Moulin Yarns

Quote:

Originally Posted by goosano

The cases per 100,000, 7 day average in local authority areas. This weeks figure first, last weeks figure to the right. Falkirk, Stirling and Fife figures included this time to avert a rebellion :na na:

South Lanarkshire 391 299
North Lanarkshire 369 268
Glasgow City 300 248
Renfrewshire 240 211
West Lothian 227 228
East Renfrewshire 220 161
East Ayrshire 209 204
North Ayrshire 203 140
W Dunbartonshire 193 441
Dundee 181 167
Edinburgh City 91 125
Falkirk 90 79
Stirling 84 86
Inverclyde 75 209
East Lothian 69 62
Fife 67 60
Dumfries and Galloway 65 121
Aberdeen City 55 80
Borders 41 36
Highland 26 18
Orkney 22 255
Moray 19 39
Shetland 9 148

Again, Perth and Kinross dropped off the map😉
23-10-2020, 05:16 PM
One Day Soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Yep she should do it to call his bluff. Him and Jackie Baillie would be a hoot.

Baillie was a good enough Minister.
23-10-2020, 05:23 PM
One Day Soon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Aye, that's labour for you. 🤔😁

It certainly appears to be Welsh labour for you.
23-10-2020, 05:24 PM
Hibrandenburg

A Danish friend has just called me. He says Denmark will go into lockdown on Monday until the 2nd of January. He's trying to get back to Berlin ASAP.
23-10-2020, 05:28 PM
One Day Soon

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

A Danish friend has just called me. He says Denmark will go into lockdown on Monday until the 2nd of January. He's trying to get back to Berlin ASAP.

That's taking no prisoners if it's accurate. Do you know what their economic support measures are like?
23-10-2020, 05:35 PM
Hibrandenburg

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Day Soon

That's taking no prisoners if it's accurate. Do you know what their economic support measures are like?

I'm really not sure, but I'd imagine that with their system and high taxes they'll look after the little man. The friend who called me is a pilot, so I'll try and get a more reliable source. :wink:
23-10-2020, 05:59 PM
Sir David Gray

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocky

Good to see the Lothians coming down. Falkirk and Fife heading up though, clearly current restrictions aren't severe enough for them. Get them papped into Tier 4

Almost identical to Edinburgh so you're coming with us. :na na:
23-10-2020, 06:15 PM
Smartie

Crazy high figures for Lanarkshire.

Where exactly is in North Lanarkshire and where is South Lanarkshire - as in which towns etc?

Is this an early "Old Firm" effect?

Also - and without wanting to tempt fate - is that not, relatively speaking, quite a low figure for a city as large as Edinburgh, a city with a large student population, a city with some pretty densely populated areas, in the middle of a pandemic?
23-10-2020, 06:19 PM
Since90+2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartie

Crazy high figures for Lanarkshire.

Where exactly is in North Lanarkshire and where is South Lanarkshire - as in which towns etc?

Is this an early "Old Firm" effect?

North Lanarkshire - Motherwell and Airdrie
South Lanarkshire - East Kilbride and Hamilton

East Kilbride is a surprisingly big place. Think it's the 6th most populated town or city in Scotland.
23-10-2020, 06:25 PM
HH81

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

About 5000-ish.

It's really not a good comparison as the testing just wasn't there back in April.

It's estimated that there were 100,000 cases per day in England back then.

Cheers. I know getting a test back then was a nightmare they refused me one until I turned up at the hospital unable to breathe.
23-10-2020, 06:26 PM
Rocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Almost identical to Edinburgh so you're coming with us. :na na:

Ah but Edinburgh has reduced so Tier 3 is clearly sufficient there. Falkirk still going up so must need stronger measures.

I'm being a tad mischievous of course lol but there's an element of truth in there too, I do believe that the rate of change should be a bigger influence on Tier decisions than absolute numbers (up to a point). A week on week comparison of cases per 100k isn't enough to determine the rate of change though.

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