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09-08-2013, 01:00 PM
JeMeSouviens

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Sketchy summary of the Rangers meeting tonight:-

https://twitter.com/RangersStandard

If, as claimed, they have £10m in the bank.....

They had (so they claim) £22m from the IPO, plus say £10m (?) from ST sales.

So.... um.....

Where's it all gone?

:cb

They only have £10M in the bank ... and they're introducing a membership scheme (where have I heard that one before?). Could these seemingly separate facts be at all related???? :greengrin
09-08-2013, 01:09 PM
Jack

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

They only have £10M in the bank ... and they're introducing a membership scheme (where have I heard that one before?). Could these seemingly separate facts be at all related???? :greengrin

I think membership schemes will become much more common among football clubs.

There's already a number down south. The advantage is that clubs can learn more about its support and therefore provide a better service for them.

The benefits for the supporters is wide and varied depending on the club.
09-08-2013, 01:17 PM
green glory

The Advertising Standards Agency find that 'Rangers' are NOT the most successful club in Scotland.

'Rangers' accept it.

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...erms=rangers#2
09-08-2013, 01:21 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by green glory

The Advertising Standards Agency find that 'Rangers' are NOT the most successful club in Scotland.

'Rangers' accept it.

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...erms=rangers#2

Quality man, quality!!

(try saying that in a nasally weegie Ned voice)
09-08-2013, 01:22 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by green glory

The Advertising Standards Agency find that 'Rangers' are NOT the most successful club in Scotland.

'Rangers' accept it.

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...erms=rangers#2

What's that all about then?
09-08-2013, 01:25 PM
BarneyK

Quote:

Originally Posted by green glory

The Advertising Standards Agency find that 'Rangers' are NOT the most successful club in Scotland.

'Rangers' accept it.

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...erms=rangers#2

I can't see any details as to the nature of that complaint. What am I missing?
09-08-2013, 01:37 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

What's that all about then?

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Originally Posted by BarneyK

I can't see any details as to the nature of that complaint. What am I missing?

It's all part of the ongoing SameClub/NewClub battle. They use the term 'Scotland's most successful club' in their advertising, implying they were the same club, to which a complaint was made (RaSellik Fans). I think this was initially rejected but has since been overturned.
09-08-2013, 01:37 PM
green glory

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Originally Posted by BarneyK

I can't see any details as to the nature of that complaint. What am I missing?

There have been complaints concerning their legal right to brand themselves 'Scotland's most successful club' for advertising/merchandise purposes as they are considered to be a new club by many.

The ASA agree their claim is pish, and newco equals new club. The club have accepted it.
09-08-2013, 01:42 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

It's all part of the ongoing SameClub/NewClub battle. They use the term 'Scotland's most successful club' in their advertising, implying they were the same club, to which a complaint was made (RaSellik Fans). I think this was initially rejected but has since been overturned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by green glory

There have been complaints concerning their legal right to brand themselves 'Scotland's most successful club' for advertising/merchandise purposes as they are considered to be a new club by many.

The ASA agree their claim is pish, and newco equals new club. The club have accepted it.

I see, thanks for that. So does that mean Celtic are actually Scotland's most successful club? I hope they bring out a clothing range to that effect, sending the Rangers fans into meltdown :devil:. It's interesting Rangers haven't contested it.
09-08-2013, 01:44 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

I see, thanks for that. So does that mean Celtic are actually Scotland's most successful club? I hope they bring out a clothing range to that effect, sending the Rangers fans into meltdown :devil:. It's interesting Rangers haven't contested it.

:thumbsup:
09-08-2013, 01:45 PM
BarneyK

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

I see, thanks for that. So does that mean Celtic are actually Scotland's most successful club? I hope they bring out a clothing range to that effect, sending the Rangers fans into meltdown :devil:. It's interesting Rangers haven't contested it.

Do they get to keep their "most financially ****ed" title, or are the yams usurping them to that one?
09-08-2013, 01:47 PM
green glory

The relevant extract:

Informally Resolved Cases (1)
After consideration by the ASA of complaints received, the following companies and organisations agreed to amend or withdraw advertising without the need for a formal investigation:

Advertiser Date
The Rangers Football Club Ltd
09-08-2013, 01:49 PM
stokesmessiah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

I see, thanks for that. So does that mean Celtic are actually Scotland's most successful club? I hope they bring out a clothing range to that effect, sending the Rangers fans into meltdown :devil:. It's interesting Rangers haven't contested it.

My guess is a lawyer has probably told them that they dont have anything to contest.
09-08-2013, 01:51 PM
Onion

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

It's all part of the ongoing SameClub/NewClub battle. They use the term 'Scotland's most successful club' in their advertising, implying they were the same club, to which a complaint was made (RaSellik Fans). I think this was initially rejected but has since been overturned.

So if The Rangers are not, who is ? Maybe the ASA could confirm who and why .... now that would really piss them off :greengrin
09-08-2013, 01:52 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by stokesmessiah

My guess is a lawyer has probably told them that they dont have anything to contest.

Surely this means that Newco can't use the trophies won by Oldco in its list of honours and that the current Rangers must also accept that?
09-08-2013, 01:53 PM
green glory

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This is also kicking about on Twitter. Might be nothing in it but it would be brilliant if its true.

Attachment 10827
09-08-2013, 01:56 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by green glory

This is also kicking about on Twitter. Might be nothing in it but it would be brilliant if its true.

Attachment 10827

Bartin Main? No source, evidence or anything? On Twitter?

What do you mean there MIGHT not be anything in it? It's obviously utter b*ll*x.
09-08-2013, 02:01 PM
green glory

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Originally Posted by keekaboo

Bartin Main? No source, evidence or anything? On Twitter?

What do you mean there MIGHT not be anything in it? It's obviously utter b*ll*x.

@BartinMain: Make of this what you will but sounds interesting http://t.co/yT5G1QKsMJ

As he says make of it what you will. You're right it may well be nonsense. Maybe it isn't.
09-08-2013, 02:04 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by green glory

@BartinMain: Make of this what you will but sounds interesting http://t.co/yT5G1QKsMJ

As he says make of it what you will. You're right it may well be nonsense. Maybe it isn't.

Sorry, that came over a bit harshly. I re-read my comment and it sounded like I was being a bit nasty to yir good self.

:greengrin
09-08-2013, 02:18 PM
lapsedhibee

I think the ASA have goofed. The The Rangers have won a trophy every single year of their existence. What other club can match that achievement? What we'd give for that record of success!
09-08-2013, 02:37 PM
royalscot

Quote:

Originally Posted by green glory

The Advertising Standards Agency find that 'Rangers' are NOT the most successful club in Scotland.

'Rangers' accept it.

http://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudi...erms=rangers#2

Only thing i could find near the date was this ????

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2013/06/...g-be-scotlands
09-08-2013, 03:50 PM
Brando7

Sevco in bother again :)

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/sport/fo...event-1.118172
09-08-2013, 04:35 PM
blindsummit

Quote:

Originally Posted by green glory

The relevant extract:

Informally Resolved Cases (1)
After consideration by the ASA of complaints received, the following companies and organisations agreed to amend or withdraw advertising without the need for a formal investigation:

Advertiser Date
The Rangers Football Club Ltd

There is some speculation on Twitter and elsewhere that this doesn't relate to the "world's most successful ethereal club" complaint, but another complaint relating to a marketing e-mail that Sevco sent out claiming that 48% of Scots supported them or somesuch nonsense.

Either way, it's nice to see someone actually holding them to account for once rather than bottling it.
09-08-2013, 05:12 PM
Caversham Green

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Originally Posted by Onion

So if The Rangers are not, who is ? Maybe the ASA could confirm who and why .... now that would really piss them off :greengrin

Rangers are still Scotland's most successful club, but they closed down in 2012 and the club with no i will no doubt overtake them in due course.
09-08-2013, 06:45 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Brando7

Sevco in bother again :)

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/sport/fo...event-1.118172

Gotta love the way that the the huns interpret every sort of reprimand or rebuke as a victory, on the apparent grounds that they didn't receive even worse punishment or criticism.
09-08-2013, 07:53 PM
degenerated

Quote:

Originally Posted by green glory

@BartinMain: Make of this what you will but sounds interesting http://t.co/yT5G1QKsMJ

As he says make of it what you will. You're right it may well be nonsense. Maybe it isn't.

No chance are the likes of cala interested in building there. It's a ***** hole.
09-08-2013, 08:17 PM
PatHead

http://www.forfarathletic.co.uk/inde...orts&Itemid=35 Loved the Forfar report on their official website-" Plucky ‘Gers take Loons to Extra Time"
09-08-2013, 09:45 PM
Jack Hackett

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caversham Green

Rangers were Scotland's most successful club, but they closed down in 2012 and the club with no i will no doubt overtake them in due course.

Fixed that for you (small error with the tense) :greengrin
10-08-2013, 09:58 AM
Jack Hackett

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindsummit

There is some speculation on Twitter and elsewhere that this doesn't relate to the "world's most successful ethereal club" complaint, but another complaint relating to a marketing e-mail that Sevco sent out claiming that 48% of Scots supported them or somesuch nonsense.

Either way, it's nice to see someone actually holding them to account for once rather than bottling it.

Found this post on the Rangers Int Share Chat page of the LSE site concerning the reasons for the ASA ruling....

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Originally Posted by jonnybhoy

"also for those with their heads in the sand this is interesting from the ASA

""A company (X) might have bought an existing or liquidated company (Y). It is likely that X wants to adopt Y’s brand heritage by continuing to advertise Y’s business name as a trading style and referring to Y’s trading history. That approach is likely to be acceptable provided the purchasing business (X) can demonstrate that it has assumed the liabilities of Y, by paying Y’s debts, :lol: for example, and honouring Y’s guarantees. In 2008, two complainants questioned the claim “10,000 satisfied customers can't be wrong” because they believed the company had been trading only for a year or so. The ASA adjudicated that, because it was unable to show it had taken on the debts and liabilities of the previous company, the advertiser was unfairly trading on the reputation and trading history of an earlier incarnation of the same company"

....The date mentioned (2008) is undoubtedly an error by the OP, as we all know that Rangers FC were a highly successful institution at that time
10-08-2013, 10:04 AM
CropleyWasGod

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Hackett

Found this post on the Rangers Int Share Chat page of the LSE site concerning the reasons for the ASA ruling....

....The date mentioned (2008) is undoubtedly an error by the OP, as we all know that Rangers FC were a highly successful institution at that time

The 2008 doesn't refer to Rangers, IMO. It is talking about the example the ASA use.

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