Tories are lying *******s (warning may contain traces of Tory)

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Cummings getting away with it again.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1016505.html

How we can expect to be treated.

http://appeal.org.uk/council-tax

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Originally Posted by hibeedc

Cummings getting away with it again.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1016505.html

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Speaking to someone I know who works for Edinburgh Council and deals with council tax, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
You can't be liable for council tax if the building didn't legally exist. To backdate the council tax would mean accepting the building was legitimate.
If that's correct, then I'd guess anyone in this situation would be treated the same. No doubt his old boys network made the process as painless as possible though!

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Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales

You can't be liable for council tax if the building didn't legally exist. To backdate the council tax would mean accepting the building was legitimate.

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Fair enough. So long as he's made to pull the building down.

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Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales

Speaking to someone I know who works for Edinburgh Council and deals with council tax, it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation.
You can't be liable for council tax if the building didn't legally exist. To backdate the council tax would mean accepting the building was legitimate.
If that's correct, then I'd guess anyone in this situation would be treated the same. No doubt his old boys network made the process as painless as possible though!

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Fair enough but they seem to be getting away scot free despite their 'mistake' of not getting planning permission. Either pay what is due or pull the houses down, doubt we would be treated so leniently.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Fair enough. So long as he's made to pull the building down.

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Happened to a boy near my brothers house. Built the whole house, never had planning/permit - EC ordered it be demolished. Ended up with retro planning permission (a good few thousand spent on that) and the full council tax being applied.

and absolutely nothing has changed, Nye Bevan knew :agree:

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*assuming that was his exact words....:cb

The Government at war with the devolved nations and the northern majors is getting the headlines but they’re also at war with London as well.

https://www.ft.com/content/fc7ad30a-...4-643ea6237ed2

The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...test-and-trace

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The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...test-and-trace

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Wholesale theft of public funds right in front of our eyes. To be expected of course but doing it with the Test and Trace is turning their usual cronyism into manslaughter.

I'll repeat what I've said a few times above. You only exit lockdown when the Track/Trace/Test system is in place.

Instead of the thorough, stringent system we require we have a half-hearted collection of apps, a feint promise of faster testing and a bunch of braying clowns whose pockets are suddenly fatter.

I have a weird admiration of their shamelessness and a useless hope they'll spend sometime in stardy.

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Wholesale theft of public funds right in front of our eyes. To be expected of course but doing it with the Test and Trace is turning their usual cronyism into manslaughter.

I'll repeat what I've said a few times above. You only exit lockdown when the Track/Trace/Test system is in place.

Instead of the thorough, stringent system we require we have a half-hearted collection of apps, a feint promise of faster testing and a bunch of braying clowns whose pockets are suddenly fatter.

I have a weird admiration of their shamelessness and a useless hope they'll spend sometime in stardy.

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I am sure mass media outlets like the state broadcaster will be all over this scandal.

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I am sure mass media outlets like the state broadcaster will be all over this scandal.

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It'll never be off the telly.

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It'll never be off the telly.

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Watching Laura Keunsberg fawning over Boris is like watching someone being savagely attacked by a sponge.

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Watching Laura Keunsberg fawning over Boris is like watching someone being savagely attacked by a sponge.

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Kuenssberg's too busy sticking pins into an Arcuri doll to do any proper journalism.

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Kuenssberg's too busy sticking pins into an Arcuri doll to do any proper journalism.

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The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...test-and-trace

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I would genuinely like to see someone (not necessarily here) counter that. I want to see what the arguments are in favour of these arrangements because at face value they are sickening.

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I would genuinely like to see someone (not necessarily here) counter that. I want to see what the arguments are in favour of these arrangements because at face value they are sickening.

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No accountability, like the many contracts dished out without tendering behind the smokescreen of Emergency powers the gang granted themselves very early on.

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No accountability, like the many contracts dished out without tendering behind the smokescreen of Emergency powers the gang granted themselves very early on.

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‘The head of Serco, Rupert Soames, is the grandson of Winston Churchill and the brother of a former Tory MP. His wife, Camilla, is a Conservative party donor. An email of his, leaked in June, suggested that the coronavirus pandemic could go “a long way in cementing the position of private sector companies in the public sector supply chain”


Is that what is meant by ‘Churchillian rhetoric’ these days?

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‘The head of Serco, Rupert Soames, is the grandson of Winston Churchill and the brother of a former Tory MP. His wife, Camilla, is a Conservative party donor. An email of his, leaked in June, suggested that the coronavirus pandemic could go “a long way in cementing the position of private sector companies in the public sector supply chain”


Is that what is meant by ‘Churchillian rhetoric’ these days?

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Chuchillian Rhetoric?

Will never fit on the side of a bus so won't catch on.

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No accountability, like the many contracts dished out without tendering behind the smokescreen of Emergency powers the gang granted themselves very early on.

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The smokescreen isn't the emergency powers, they are the means. This has been going on since day one of the crisis but the reaction on twitter etc has been pretty muted. The real outpourings of sustained outrage have been saved for the likes of Cummings going for a spin in his car. That's how you do a smokescreen. :greengrin

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The smokescreen isn't the emergency powers, they are the means. This has been going on since day one of the crisis but the reaction on twitter etc has been pretty muted. The real outpourings of sustained outrage have been saved for the likes of Cummings going for a spin in his car. That's how you do a smokescreen. :greengrin

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Indeed, Emergency powers crudely just kills scrutiny of contracts by parliament, or anybody else for that matter, at least until they are awarded and the cash starts flowing. The darker arts are the deflections and distractions.

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

I would genuinely like to see someone (not necessarily here) counter that. I want to see what the arguments are in favour of these arrangements because at face value they are sickening.

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You’ll be waiting a while, because no one is asking the questions. The Guardian lets the occasional Monbiot ‘opinion piece’ article out, but the front pages are on irrelevancies like whether Sheffield is getting a few quid less than Burnhams Manchester in hush money that has been swindled from the tax payers in the first place. Starmers ‘now is not the time’ is starting to sound like a stuck record. He’s asleep at the wheel. BBC News are the Tories call handlers. The facts are out there if you want to look but theres no effective scrutiny any more.

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You’ll be waiting a while, because no one is asking the questions. The Guardian lets the occasional Monbiot ‘opinion piece’ article out, but the front pages are on irrelevancies like whether Sheffield is getting a few quid less than Burnhams Manchester in hush money that has been swindled from the tax payers in the first place. Starmers ‘now is not the time’ is starting to sound like a stuck record. He’s asleep at the wheel. BBC News are the Tories call handlers. The facts are out there if you want to look but theres no effective scrutiny any more.

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Zarah Sultana hasn't exactly been quiet, I think she has gone with this several times in Parliament. I do agree, it's now time for Starmer to go in harder.

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The Tories, Test and trace and private sector contracts

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...test-and-trace

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Who'll be the next recipient of a £108M contract, I wonder.

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Zarah Sultana hasn't exactly been quiet, I think she has gone with this several times in Parliament. I do agree, it's now time for Starmer to go in harder.

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Yes, she’s fast becoming my favourite MP. Even she could go in even harder though, talk about the individual relationships that underpin Serco and Deloitte, not just the contract itself. Can’t be easy being a 26 year old first time MP in that environment and making so many enemies early on though.

It's quite amusing perusing social media at the moment. There are people who get absolutely outraged by people claiming benefits on those Channel 5 poverty porn, poor shaming documentaries who seem totally cool with the public purse being robbed to the tune of literally billions.

It seems that Dave from Grimsby 'raking it in' is abhorrent but ferry contracts to companies with no ferries, PPE contracts to companies with a couple of hundred quid cash at bank, contracts worth millions to companies linked to advisors for apps that had to be scrapped and the odd billion here and there to Serco for a test and trace programme that has been an unmitigated failure is absolutely fine.

I've never really been much of a fan of the Tory party, to out it mildly, but I absolutely hate the current crop with every fibre of my being. They are detestable in every way. I think the only thing that angers me more is the apathy towards them from so many people.

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Yes, she’s fast becoming my favourite MP. Even she could go in even harder though, talk about the individual relationships that underpin Serco and Deloitte, not just the contract itself. Can’t be easy being a 26 year old first time MP in that environment and making so many enemies early on though.

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I think she will be just fine with making enemies. :greengrin

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It's quite amusing perusing social media at the moment. There are people who get absolutely outraged by people claiming benefits on those Channel 5 poverty porn, poor shaming documentaries who seem totally cool with the public purse being robbed to the tune of literally billions.

It seems that Dave from Grimsby 'raking it in' is abhorrent but ferry contracts to companies with no ferries, PPE contracts to companies with a couple of hundred quid cash at bank, contracts worth millions to companies linked to advisors for apps that had to be scrapped and the odd billion here and there to Serco for a test and trace programme that has been an unmitigated failure is absolutely fine.

I've never really been much of a fan of the Tory party, to out it mildly, but I absolutely hate the current crop with every fibre of my being. They are detestable in every way. I think the only thing that angers me more is the apathy towards them from so many people.

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Totally agree mate. It's the narrative that's spun - get outraged at the poorest scamming benefits, not the richest properly scamming millions and billions. Get outraged at Cummings going in his car so you don't notice the £108m going missing while you're not looking.

They are crooks. It's ironic that they're the ones that we don't see wearing masks these days.