Hibs Women

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Spot on, they need to fund their game the same way the men do, and the women's game in Scotland will then find it's rightful place in world
Football.

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Step forward the rich Americans eh. 😂

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

When is the next woman’s team fixture and where do they play? My daughter hasn’t shown any interest in football, which is fine, but seemed open to trying the ladies team so hoped to take her to a game this summer.

Had a quick Look online but suspect, like the men’s team, there’s no pre season fixtures announced yet.

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Fixtures aren't out for next season yet.

Games are a Sunday and home games are at Meadowbank. It's a good day out; there is a lot more interaction with the players than at mens games. The players sign autographs, have pictures taken, talk to the young fans etc. The sooner Hibs get away from Meadowbank the better but that's another debate.

My daughter has a ST at ER but isn't really all that engaged at the games. The Nintendo Switch comes into it's own. I had her at Hampden the other night and she was pretty bored there too. She is much, much more into the football at the women's games and I'm not convinced that is coincidence. Seeing is believing and all that.

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Originally Posted by Forza Fred

I think it’s only a matter of time in Scotland before women’s football really takes off.

Attitudes are a bit harder to change in Scotland maybe, but once young girls can relate to ‘heroes’ on the park, crowd numbers…at the elite level anyway, will soar.

Just give ‘em something to believe in and aspire to.

Sorry to keep going on about the Matildas, but they really ARE a case study of what to do right, and Scotland could do well to learn from them.

They just played two ‘meaningless’ friendlies……one in Adelaide and one in Sydney 4 days apart and attracted over 130,000 spectators combined.

Their World Cup game against France last year is the most watched tv event EVER in the history of television.

The scenes going to, coming from and attending one of their games come across more like the vibe of a Taylor Swift concert than that of a tribal fitba match.

The societal benefits are enormous too….a huge recent upsurge in participant rates, leading to healthier and happier kids.

Scotland, either on its own or with partners should make a realistic bid to stage the women’s World Cup, Euros etc etc as soon and as often as it can.
The Women’s officials should also take a trip to Oz to pick the brains of those down here who run the women’s game.

This love in with the Matildas didn’t just happen by accident…..several of the current squad can recall playing internationals when they played in front of very low crowds.

Now they get bigger crowds than they did back then turning up for their training sessions!

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Two big factors in your favour.
You have a population almost 5 times the size of Scotland and don't almost freeze to death when attending games.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

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I agree with you, nobody should be critical of anyone who wants to watch the womens team.

It's how it is funded that's the talking point.

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Our club putting a little money into the womens game is not the wholly altruistic act it might at first appear.
Scottish football is highly dependent on match attending supporters to fund it and traditionally those attending have, in the main, been men and boys.
As such we are only tapping into 50% of the population and need to tap into the other 50% to help fill the 4000 empty seats at most games at Easter Road.
Getting more women and girls interested in womens football is the best way to do that and as Pretty Boy posted above women and girls seeing women playing football makes them believe that football is for them as both players and spectators.

Until it goes fully professional the women’s game here will continue to be poor - the standard is brutal and levels are ridiculously poor. I commend the effort, and the girls endeavour, but across the board it’s shocking football devoid of proper investment and professionalism and coaching up here. BF is investing half a million in the women’s team so I hope they use it wisely and the women’s team improve greatly - they need to because they’re really poor levels wise.

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Originally Posted by WeAreHibs

Saying "the most watched tv event EVER in the history of television." is quite the exaggeration when the final was watched by almost 10x.

"The FIFA Women's World Cup final, which England lost 1-0 to Spain at Stadium Australia, was 2023's most-watched women's sport event on TV with 38.4 million viewing hours. Preliminary television ratings show an average of about 4.17 million people were watching the Matildas take on France in what is understood to be one of the most-watched sporting events across Australia in the past two decades."

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I was talking about on Australian TV.

Apologies if it wasn’t clear .

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

Our club putting a little money into the womens game is not the wholly altruistic act it might at first appear.
Scottish football is highly dependent on match attending supporters to fund it and traditionally those attending have, in the main, been men and boys.
As such we are only tapping into 50% of the population and need to tap into the other 50% to help fill the 4000 empty seats at most games at Easter Road.
Getting more women and girls interested in womens football is the best way to do that and as Pretty Boy posted above women and girls seeing women playing football makes them believe that football is for them as both players and spectators.

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I don’t really buy that. Women and girls can be welcomed to watching the men’s team without the women’s team having anything to do with it. There’s a huge number of women and girls at most men’s games and about 50 people at most go to the women’s games most weeks.

In Scotland it is a participation sport. That’s great and should definitely be supported and encouraged but professional sport is a different thing. If there’s no one willing to pay to watch it then it isn’t viable.

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Originally Posted by PHeffernan

Our club putting a little money into the womens game is not the wholly altruistic act it might at first appear.
Scottish football is highly dependent on match attending supporters to fund it and traditionally those attending have, in the main, been men and boys.
As such we are only tapping into 50% of the population and need to tap into the other 50% to help fill the 4000 empty seats at most games at Easter Road.
Getting more women and girls interested in womens football is the best way to do that and as Pretty Boy posted above women and girls seeing women playing football makes them believe that football is for them as both players and spectators.

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Nobody is stopping anyone, men or woman attending the games at Easter Rd. The mens team should not have to subsidise the ladies team for it to just survive.

Filling our stadium for the mens game is down to them, the same as it is for the ladies, we keep being told it's a different game, why put them together for this argument?

It now appears they need to all be full time to get better, i'd say it is obviously right and they would get better, but we again get back to how it's funded.

Even now in Scotland nobody wants to watch womens football bar the folk involved and their relatives.

Our mens team have found their level, the ladies need to find theirs.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Nobody is stopping anyone, men or woman attending the games at Easter Rd. The mens team should not have to subsidise the ladies team for it to just survive.

Filling our stadium for the mens game is down to them, the same as it is for the ladies, we keep being told it's a different game, why put them together for this argument?

It now appears they need to all be full time to get better, i'd say it is obviously right and they would get better, but we again get back to how it's funded.

Even now in Scotland nobody wants to watch womens football bar the folk involved and their relatives.

Our mens team have found their level, the ladies need to find theirs.

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Great post. Hibs women and other teams need to go back to amateur status, if that’s the correct term. I d put them back under hibs community and stop the £500k we pay to play run them

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Nobody is stopping anyone, men or woman attending the games at Easter Rd. The mens team should not have to subsidise the ladies team for it to just survive.

Filling our stadium for the mens game is down to them, the same as it is for the ladies, we keep being told it's a different game, why put them together for this argument?

It now appears they need to all be full time to get better, i'd say it is obviously right and they would get better, but we again get back to how it's funded.

Even now in Scotland nobody wants to watch womens football bar the folk involved and their relatives.

Our mens team have found their level, the ladies need to find theirs.

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Best post on the subject. I’ve nothing against the ladies team at all but it has to be self sufficient and in no way should it be funded off the back of the mens team.

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Originally Posted by TrinityHFC

I don’t really buy that. Women and girls can be welcomed to watching the men’s team without the women’s team having anything to do with it. There’s a huge number of women and girls at most men’s games and about 50 people at most go to the women’s games most weeks.

In Scotland it is a participation sport. That’s great and should definitely be supported and encouraged but professional sport is a different thing. If there’s no one willing to pay to watch it then it isn’t viable.

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50 number is nonsense so you clearly don't go to the games.

Its another way to get them hooked. Not all young girls want to go with Dad to watch men play football. But plenty enjoy the women games. Its a starting point.

I say not all as my daughter was watching Men's football from 5 and didnt see a girls game till 7. Wasn't hard to get her hooked as she has been playing the game since 5. I have a neighbour who takes his daughter to all the womens games, but she doesnt like the mens games yet. That will come. So in short YES it could benefit attendance at Mens games.

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Originally Posted by Chipper1875

Great post. Hibs women and other teams need to go back to amateur status, if that’s the correct term. I d put them back under hibs community and stop the £500k we pay to play run them

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You don't pay 500k to run them. Important that people stop making stuff up on this subject. Its all very Farage.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Nobody is stopping anyone, men or woman attending the games at Easter Rd. The mens team should not have to subsidise the ladies team for it to just survive.

Filling our stadium for the mens game is down to them, the same as it is for the ladies, we keep being told it's a different game, why put them together for this argument?

It now appears they need to all be full time to get better, i'd say it is obviously right and they would get better, but we again get back to how it's funded.

Even now in Scotland nobody wants to watch womens football bar the folk involved and their relatives.

Our mens team have found their level, the ladies need to find theirs.

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I would say at least 70% of the fans at Hibs womens games are in no way related to the players. There is a large proportion of younger people, and what are sometimes classed as special needs people attending the games. Clearly as its a much friendlier and safer environment. Funding has to come from sponsorship, and most of it does. Finding more of it is the big issue for those running the teams.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

You don't pay 500k to run them. Important that people stop making stuff up on this subject. Its all very Farage.

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Agreed. It’s a different budget, additional if you like.

Is the mens side of the club self sufficient? Feels like we’re punting shares to the Gordon’s to balance the books?!

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I would say at least 70% of the fans at Hibs womens games are in no way related to the players. There is a large proportion of younger people, and what are sometimes classed as special needs people attending the games. Clearly as its a much friendlier and safer environment. Funding has to come from sponsorship, and most of it does. Finding more of it is the big issue for those running the teams.

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I'd agree - and you're right about the large proportion of younger fans. One of my kids' primary school teachers used to play football and she often handed out tickets for Hibs women and Scotland women games. The kids, boys and girls, used to come along with parents and loved it. As you say, a much friendlier environment with none of the angst and anger you see at men's games.

As others have mentioned, it's also seems to be more of an enticement for those of us with daughters who are more interested in watching the women play. Personally, bearing in mind how awful the majority of Hibs men's games are these days, I enjoy the experience of the women's games more. You don't come away feeling you've wasted your afternoon and that you've subjected your kid to something they don't really want to do.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I would say at least 70% of the fans at Hibs womens games are in no way related to the players. There is a large proportion of younger people, and what are sometimes classed as special needs people attending the games. Clearly as its a much friendlier and safer environment. Funding has to come from sponsorship, and most of it does. Finding more of it is the big issue for those running the teams.

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I apologise, i was just guessing i suppose as the crowds are very small. 70 percent of the amount of fans that do watch is still small, no matter how you dress it up, and there does not appear to be an appetite for it on a big scale like England.

I know it's well funded in England, but we cant fund the game like they do, so unless someone can come up with a different way to fund it, i think it will continue to struggle along and find it's level.

Not something some folk like you want, but i dont see why my season ticket should prop up a game i have no interest in, to the detriment of the game i watch.

The season ticket price hadn’t gone up to subsidise the womens team? Where did you read that?

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Fixtures aren't out for next season yet.

Games are a Sunday and home games are at Meadowbank. It's a good day out; there is a lot more interaction with the players than at mens games. The players sign autographs, have pictures taken, talk to the young fans etc. The sooner Hibs get away from Meadowbank the better but that's another debate.

My daughter has a ST at ER but isn't really all that engaged at the games. The Nintendo Switch comes into it's own. I had her at Hampden the other night and she was pretty bored there too. She is much, much more into the football at the women's games and I'm not convinced that is coincidence. Seeing is believing and all that.

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Thanks S, will keep a look out for fixtures and maybe see you guys at a game at some point.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

The season ticket price hadn’t gone up to subsidise the womens team? Where did you read that?

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Exactly. Do we know if Hibs allocate a proportion of advertising funds towards the women’s team?


And presumably those who don’t want season ticket money put towards the women’s team also don’t want any of the wages of the support staff, cleaners, ticket office, shop, social media team, etc coming out of their season ticket money either?

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Originally Posted by McD

Exactly. Do we know if Hibs allocate a proportion of advertising funds towards the women’s team?


And presumably those who don’t want season ticket money put towards the women’s team also don’t want any of the wages of the support staff, cleaners, ticket office, shop, social media team, etc coming out of their season ticket money either?

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All that stuff supports the men’s team. Same with the academy. Why would anyone have an issue with that?

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Agreed. It’s a different budget, additional if you like.

Is the mens side of the club self sufficient? Feels like we’re punting shares to the Gordon’s to balance the books?!

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When you say a different budget where does that money come from?

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I apologise, i was just guessing i suppose as the crowds are very small. 70 percent of the amount of fans that do watch is still small, no matter how you dress it up, and there does not appear to be an appetite for it on a big scale like England.

I know it's well funded in England, but we cant fund the game like they do, so unless someone can come up with a different way to fund it, i think it will continue to struggle along and find it's level.

Not something some folk like you want, but i dont see why my season ticket should prop up a game i have no interest in, to the detriment of the game i watch.

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Don't worry it doesn't















Your season ticket money goes to Harry McKirdy.

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Originally Posted by McD

Exactly. Do we know if Hibs allocate a proportion of advertising funds towards the women’s team?


And presumably those who don’t want season ticket money put towards the women’s team also don’t want any of the wages of the support staff, cleaners, ticket office, shop, social media team, etc coming out of their season ticket money either?

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You are just being daft now, my season ticket up until recently went towards helping the football team have success, the mens team.

Now we have a womans team, not a problem as some would like you to think, but they do recieve money from the pot that used to be just for the men.

I just feel they should fund their own team, it's that simple.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

You are just being daft now, my season ticket up until recently went towards helping the football team have success, the mens team.

Now we have a womans team, not a problem as some would like you to think, but they do recieve money from the pot that used to be just for the men.

I just feel they should fund their own team, it's that simple.

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If it paves the way for professional walking football we might be in there?

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Originally Posted by TrinityHFC

When you say a different budget where does that money come from?

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Don’t know. Maybe from the Gordon’s - specifically for that purpose? If they didn’t give it to the womens team they might not give it to anyone.

It’s not directly correlated. That’d be like saying giving the comms manager a payrise impacts the mens first team.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

You are just being daft now, my season ticket up until recently went towards helping the football team have success, the mens team.

Now we have a womans team, not a problem as some would like you to think, but they do recieve money from the pot that used to be just for the men.

I just feel they should fund their own team, it's that simple.

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In that case our development team and youths should also be self funding as they contribute little to the men's first team.

Or alternatively we're talking about Hibs teams in which case there isn't a problem with Hibs teams being funded by Hibs money.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Don’t know. Maybe from the Gordon’s - specifically for that purpose? If they didn’t give it to the womens team they might not give it to anyone.

It’s not directly correlated. That’d be like saying giving the comms manager a payrise impacts the mens first team.

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So don’t know and maybe.

Is it money we would not have had in the club anyway or not?

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Originally Posted by TrinityHFC

So don’t know and maybe.

Is it money we would not have had in the club anyway or not?

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No

Tried to give some context to help you understand how budgets work but happy to go binary.

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

In that case our development team and youths should also be self funding as they contribute little to the men's first team.

Or alternatively we're talking about Hibs teams in which case there isn't a problem with Hibs teams being funded by Hibs money.

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Surely you can see that there's a direct pathway from those two teams that can feed into the men's first team.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

No

Tried to give some context to help you understand how budgets work but happy to go binary.

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I’m well aware of how budgets work.

You haven’t explained where the source of the money to be separated into specific budgets, which is how you spend the money you have, has come from.