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Remember, when this went through Westminster initially, before the devolved parliaments even started theirimplementation, Westminster's intention was for all to include glass with England having an opt out (which they seem to decide to do from the off).
I think that's why folks are upset, England's opt out is now being forced on Scotland
https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/20...pite-uk-block/
It would appear wales have not yet sought permission and so it isn’t a case of Scotland being stopped from doing what wales have agreement to do.
But we have been stopped from doing something that falls within devolution. You don't see a problem with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I can see an issue with differences within the uk and a need due some joined up thinking here. You clearly don’t want to see that and instead look for a grievance.
Joined up thinking to you is just letting the UK govt do all the thinking for you.[emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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Even more worrying is when the Uk government is this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What's the odds on any UK deposit return scheme being very similar to the Scottish and Welsh schemes already proposed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Any UK wide scheme is highly likely to be introduced after this Tory government leave office.
Add those two things together and you have your joined up thinking.
https://twitter.com/thescotsman/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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The people of Bellshill disagreed at the by election as Labour replaced SNP last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Different states of Australia manage different schemes, some including glass, others excluded glass, it works across state lines, so why should it be any different in the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
That's a big swing to Labour. Hopefully to be replicated at national level. I think this was where the SNP council leader had to resign over sex abuse allegations though? May have swayed a lot of voters, although Yousaf did do some high profile campaigning there which clearly didn't pay off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I know I go on about it.... and Scotland/Wales built their schemes specifically to what Westminster agreed at the outset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Westminster can't really cite the new single market bill as a reason for us needing to now follow the English scheme as we were already in a single market when Westminster announced it could all proceed with the English glass opt out in place.
In a world where have split the atom, can send humans into space and back and we understand the relationship between speed, time and distance, BUT we can't integrate 3 slightly different recycling systems at a prearranged time in the future. This Westminster government are a depraved disgrace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
80% of the electorate didn't bother voting.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Nice weather as well.
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This is the Bellshill byelection results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Labour 1,440 votes
SNP 753 votes
Dare I say…..Strong and Stable :faf::faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
One result from a byelection triggered due to very specific circumstances with a 22.7% turn out. It's not a result I would be clinging onto in the hope that it would be reflective across Scotland as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
East Kilbride West next month, after the SNP councillor in three-councillor ward nine stepped down. It is a relatively open seat - the two remaining councillors are Labour and an independent (was SNP but quit), but the Tories have votes there too and had one of the slots until the last election I think.
Too easy to read too much into local results, although there is a website I look at that faithfully details all the UK local by-election results every week and you can make a stab at extrapolating trends from that.
Looking back over the last couple of years, the Tories look in real trouble in the shires and the Midlands, maybe more than the northern red wall seats. A big chunk of that is going to Labour, some to Lib Dems and quite a lot to independents - when it is local level it is difficult to integrate that into national forecasts.
1440 votes? Impressive.[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
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SNP thrashed by Labour in sex scandal byelection in Bellshill | HeraldScotlandQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
SNP voters getting the blame for failing to rally round the cause.
Yep, that's the stat you'd be flagging up had the SNP held on :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Is it even an especially low turnout for a mid-term council by-election? I don't know, but I'd imagine for most a trip to the local polling station isn't top of the list on a blazing hot day. Whatever, though, you've got to be in it to win it as they say so I don't imagine the size of the turnout dilutes Labour's delight.
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Originally Posted by He's here!
In the Bible, the number 12 signifies perfection.
One way of emphasising the concept is to use 12 times 12, or 144, which is used a number of times in said book to proclaim a wonderful future where God's chosen ones finally rule the earth for our greater good.
Labour got 1,440 votes, which starts with 144
So, with this in mind, the figures could possibly indicate that the Labour party actually are God's chosen representatives on earth, and Keir Starmer is in actual fact the modern manifestation of the Messiah, leading us to the Promised Land.
:hmmm:
Though, in balance, 1,440, ends in zero, which might also be significant... so for those that do believe in signs and numerology, take from it what you will. :wink:
Take care in the sun today.[emoji23]Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Too much coffee, Ozy
:greengrin
I was saying that to the wife last night, exact same words :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I will hold as much credence in this as I do the Heralds take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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"Coffee" you say?..... hmm..Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
:greengrin
During coitus? Whatever floats yer boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Bellshill still staunch then! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
https://commonweal.scot/land-reform-this-is-the-chance/
SNP and Labour working together. Let’s wish them well.[emoji1696]
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Noah’s Ark if we are keeping it on topic 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Obviously not Staunch SNP :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by xyz23jc
It is actually compared to the 753 votes for the SNPQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
This is all in-spite of or maybe it was because of Bellshill being visited by the tartan Mr Bean.
Wonder how long it will take Westminster to send the Scottish Government to court over this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
:tee hee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Well the article suggests that the recent SNP leadership contest has removed a blockage.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
I'm sure another one will be invented just in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If it makes her happy, who are we to criticise?
:greengrin
When the SNP only managed 753, should you really be mocking Labour's count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Lighten up, a win is a win. Labour will be chuffed. The SNP should be reflecting on what they need to change. Some of it already started I suspect with this weeks warning to malcontents in the party. They have instantly piped down. We’ll see how long it lasts. Main thing is it’s done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Starmer's won you over :greengrin
Tough on malcontents, touch on the causes of malcontents :faf:
To be fair to both sides, it is a mere amuse bouche before the Rutherglen and Hamilton West by-election. I don't think it is a guaranteed Labour win, SNP voters will be able to rightly distinguish between Ferrier's cavailer and selfish attitude to the safety of others and the actual party itself.
It is one of those contests though - big celebrations for the winner either way (for different reaasons), the loser will have a bit of an excuse but will still be sore.
To be fair, these are people actively undermining the party daily in the media. Starmer much more going for anyone he thinks might be thinking bad things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Party discipline is important though. I haven’t really given Starmer a hard time on that.
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More than a fair number of the rejected, ejected and dejected trying to hang on to Labour's coat-tails and not shy to say what they like, even if untrue, thanks very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
With the SNP I don't think you have the same residue that hate the centrists more than they hate the Tories.
Why would they block land reform?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
For the same reasons they've already blocked several other devolved matters already. Got to remind Scots of their place.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
The SNP is sleepwalking into extinction | The SpectatorQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe they're entitled to be malcontented?
Is that you posting an article by that idiot MacWhirter again? I'll pass, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Well that fair brought a smile to my face. [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Spectator been putting out that same article for 15 years now.
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Is he calling people coconuts again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That’s just rubbish, but standard SNP stuff really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Staunch Labour, Has a certain ring to it, eh? :wink::greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
But it appears to be the SNP blocking it?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
I don't think Anas Sarwar owns a bowler hatQuote:
Originally Posted by xyz23jc
(frantically searches Google Images to make sure thats correct).
The SNP 2007 manifesto pledge to fully dual the A9 looks to have been a wee bit of a porker. Originally scheduled to be completed by 2025 we are now looking at it being completed by 2050….maybe. Road deaths increase and the Highland economy continues to pay the price for sub standard transport links. Still we have eleven completed miles to be grateful for. Anybody trust Yousaf when he says completing this is a priority?
There was a significant event in 2008 which significantly impacted spend on infrastructure and capital projects. I remember it all too well, the construction industry was decimated as a result of the crash. Bleak times indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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Originally Posted by degenerated
It didn’t stop the Scottish Government ringing Glasgow with a whole set of new motorways.
M8, M73, M74, M77, M80 have all been constructed, extended or improved.
Its all about choices and preferences and the A9 was obviously not one of them.
A quick question, when were the motorways you mentioned first suggested and by whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I've been involved in the planning stage of the sections of the A9 and know that there are lengthy processes before a shovel even touches the ground.
That's true, but it was planned in 1995, funding secured and commenced prior to 2008 crash. Perhaps we should be asking Westminster or the labour Scottish executive why they deemed it more important to do that rather than A9. The SNP only came to power in 2007.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I would suggest that you would have made a better point if you brought up the Aberdeen ring road as an example though :greengrin
There was no impediment to the SNP Government from 2007 making changes to previous governments plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Various projects which were on the drawing board in 2007 could have been delayed or scrapped and the funding transferred to the A9 dealing.
But that wasn’t the choice that was made.
There was no impediment to the unionist governments choosing to do the A9 instead of Glasgow roads or the M25, or any other projects but they chose not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
The Scottish government post 2007 could have scrapped those changes and then begun consultation/planning on A9 which probably would have seen a start date of around the late 2010s. But then the recession happened and it would have been shelved.
How would that have had an impact? The project would have been nowhere near the stage of breaking any ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
There are plenty costs before a project hits the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I don’t think any other political party or government except the SNP made a pledge to carry out major improvements to the A9.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
The SNP did , but failed to deliver because they made other choices and had other priorities.
Bound to have a UJ waistcoat though. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
A9 has been significantly improved hasn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
It's not a issue that no one else bothered to do something that needed done but it's a huge issue that the SNP said they would do it but have struggled to get anyone to price it within budget to complete it.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
I think I understand.
Other priorities such as mitigating austerity policies from Westminster. Policies that were never necessary in the first place and were purely a political choice by a party that is all about stealing from the poor and giving to the already obscenely wealthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
'Years of warning' over A9 dualling timescale - BBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
As you say, it's been a 'priority' since years before Yousaf got landed with it (among numerous other failed initiatives). It's ferries-esque in terms of progress.
:greengrin RelentlessQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I'm sure he'll have had an honorary bowler hat and sash presented to him by one of the Lodges that have infiltrated the Labour Party at a local level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
I recall there was a media investigation some time ago (can't remember if it was TV or a newspaper). They uncovered a plan by the ultra unionist OO to become councillors as part of their strategy to fight the SNP and independence movement.
Former Orange Order leader Henry Dunbar elected as Scottish Labour councillor: https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/...ur-councillor/Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/...ur-councillor/
"He was a prominent pro-Union figure in the independence referendum, helping to organise the biggest No event of 2014, when 15,000 orange men and women marched through Edinburgh the weekend before the vote."
The biggest no event in 2014 was 15,000 Catholic hating bigots with their flute and drums. Admittedly I didn't know this. But somehow I'm not in the least bit surprised.
I just need to see Covid used as an excuse now and I’m shouting Bingo! :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Been a priority since years before devolutionQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
It was the SNP who committed to the date though.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
https://www.thenational.scot/news/20011732.snp-urged-sack-candidate-shouted-abuse-pope/Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Don't mention the papal visit in the 80s!
So she protests against the pope due to historic child abuse and the other hates kafflicks.
Is there equivalence there?
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Nope. She made the comments on social media back in 2010, 12 years before standing as an SNP councillor. It's easy mud for the opposition to dig up and try to spin into her just hating Catholic people in general. I suppose they view it as some kind of justification for having an entire organisation built on historical hatred towards anybody Catholic on their side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I suppose so.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
What do you think, archie?
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Ferries 'value for money' study cost £620,000 - BBC News
...and then the SG ignore the findings.
"The Scottish Conservatives accused ministers of wasting public funds."Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Just wait until they find out about the Ajax Programme fiasco. Then they can really get angry about the wasting of public funds.
Yes as long as there's a way to deflect the criticism elsewhere the SG remains forever beyond reproach.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
What deflected criticism? All of the British media criticism is on the Scottish Government and ferries. It's all very quiet on the Ajax, HS2 and dodgy/unusable PPE front. Perhaps you mean deflected criticism towards the Scottish Government?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Just a matter of time before they link this with the SNP finance scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Hardly any British media mentions the ferries. There are no shortage of things for them to criticise the torrid about.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Torrid. Lol. Quite like that auto correct.
Just another example of two tired and failing governments, too busy obsessing with identity politics and culture wars, to actually focus on ensuring taxpayers’ money is being spent properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
They've literally never stopped - https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...&bih=657&dpr=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Mostly Scottish mediaQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
And their excuse for not giving equal coverage over these Westminster scandals is what exactly? It effects us all the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Budgets ! When the hell did the SNP keep to budgets ?Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
I’ll just say one word - Ferries. :greengrin
When does any elected government stick to budgets.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
You hold a very blinkered view of yhingsQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
In what way are my views "blinkered"? Surely "blinkered" views would be views people echo from over 90%+ of the media who all push the same tired narrative and agenda?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Or even bother to have one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/s...189666817?s=20Quote:
100 days since gov't introduced the Illegal Migration Bill, it has submitted no economic impact assessment. Home Secretary admits ***she doesn't even have an estimate*** of what it might cost. And this is ok, apparently, because it's one of Sunak and Braverman's priorities.
You appear to me to be claiming over reporting of the ferries and under reporting of all of the Westminster mess. That’s just not a true representation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
It is. The media in Scotland have been on the topic of "ferries" for years now. While we're being robbed blind by far greater scandals that we almost never hear anything about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Oh so not the British media as you said earlier?Quote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
That's not what I said. I said "media in Scotland". You're surely not suggesting that there is no British Media in Scotland?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Says British hereQuote:
Originally Posted by HarpOnHibee
Ok. So I suppose you think that the likes of the Daily Mail or the Daily Express aren't British, as long as they put "Scottish" in front of the name?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol