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Stick to the Crosswords, CWG
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Stick to the Crosswords, CWG
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Hey so did I! Though with a 6 there was another roll of the dice and if it was another 6 it was 6 goals.
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Mrs doctor Budge is bringing out her own version very soon, Hearts just escape relegation as she moves them up two places when nobody's looking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
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Or tips the board over and declares the game null and voidQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Now we all use excel.Quote:
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Turns out Budge designed a new box for the game.
While the game retails at £19.99, sadly the box she designed - with a glass curtain frontage and a castle view as standard - costs £26.00 per box to manufacture.
The Waddington box-makers have recently been given an ultimatum of taking a 50% pay cut or being laid off.
An email has since surfaced from Borthwick - sent to rival boxmakers, it offers them untold riches in the autumn if they take the Waddington job instead, without any idea how that makes Waddington look in everyone's eyes.
Waddingtons are waging a press & media charm offensive to blame it all on Corona virus, and definitely not on the glass curtain, the castle view, or Queen Ann - who we are reminded is "a shrewd business brain".
Clearly a fake, the Tories would obviously have Hearts back...Quote:
Originally Posted by Deansy
Its not fake, there´s spelling mistakes in it.
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Originally Posted by ScottB
Can’t see the Tories forming a pact with the likes of Alex Salmon and Ian Murray any time soon.
Are Hearts the only club in Scotland still paying their players the full amount?
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We really need to stop calling them H@@@@@
They are utter filth
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Not sure about Salmond but Murray is pretty much a Tory given his voting recordQuote:
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Rangers player have been 'furloughed' but haven't accepted any wage reductions (AFAIK)
They have taken a wage deferral for three months. 50% so creates a £4m debt for Sevco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Certainly not heard anything to say an agreement has been struck with the rebel 20. So it looks like they are with no agreement in placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme#employees-you-can-claim-for
Unless I'm reading the UKG guidance wrong, it looks like people working on reduced pay cannot be furloughed. So Naismith is sitting pretty on half pay and can't be furloughed but if Budgie decides she can't afford to keep paying the other players their full whack per month, and they don't agree to reduced pay or deferred payments, she may have no option but to furlough them and they might find themselves on £2500 per month. Or am I talking rubbish?
I'll happily defer to someone who knows what they're talking about, cos I'm not sure I do.
Edit- can't post a hyperlink properly and sure how I should.
It's a funny one as this whole time Naismith has been painted as a saint for accepting half pay.... maybe 5k A WEEK..?
When the other option to him would be to get the government allotted 2.5k a month!
Hmmm why's he getting any plaudits again? Seems he's played a blinder! (For possibly the first time this season?!)
That can’t be right because our whole squad is on reduced pay and they have been furloughed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkie
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He has been furloughed. The govt pay £2500 per month of his wages and Hearts pay the rest up to 50% of his deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
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Apologies if I'm spreading duff info.
The UKG website states "If an employee is working, but on reduced hours, or for reduced pay, they will not be eligible for this scheme".
I think I have misinterpreted this initially. Looking at it again, I think it's saying that you cannot use the scheme if the employee keeps working, even if it's on reduced pay or reduced hours.
I might leave this to experts from now on...
Yes, def not allowed to work at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkie
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In the absence of an expert (ie CWG), I'd say the key word is "working".Quote:
Originally Posted by Pinkie
So if the players are left to train on their own instead of reporting to East Mains, they're not working and can be furloughed. I don't think that would be the case if Hibs have issued them with training programmes and are monitoring the players' fitness, but there's still a lot of detail to be released about the scheme.
I would imagine for a player to be fully furloughed then no training would be allowed, or certainly no direction or contact with the club...
That’s my understanding - so that would mean they couldn’t do the phone calls they’ve been doing either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
The Aberdeen chairman said on the radio at the weekend that furlough means no work at all for the club - they took the decision to not furlough due to this.
If I worked for a big company and as part of my CPD the company were paying for me to study an OU course, if I was using my time while furloughed to do extra studying then I doubt that would be seen as a breach of the furlough.Quote:
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I think players training at home comes into the same category.
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The Aberdeen chairman was clear on the legal advice he’s taken. Not sure if the other clubs have had differing advice or are just changing it and hoping there’s too many of them doing it to get caught.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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They are a weird lot. They have no deal at all with their players and are still paying their full wages but clubs who are getting deferrals are making crazy decisions? Doubt I’ll ever understand them.
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The Hibs players are furloughed and the club are paying up to an agreed sum of their wage on top of the govt 2.5k a month. The balance above the actual monthly amount paid is deferred. So every one of our players will get their full wage over time. I think too many folk are getting into the technicalities as to what constitutes working while furloughed. The players will be keeping themselves ticking over.
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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
The phone calls were voluntary, nae bother with those.
Furlough means no working for the employer. Don’t think the club can be setting rigid training plans as this might be seen as a work task. But the players aren’t meeting up for training anyhow so little or no tactical work can be done.
Players will of course be expected to keep fit but intensity will of course drop, furlough or not. So mad not to imo... at least the club gets £2.5k a month for each player, better than nothing.
The latest info is that voluntary work for your employer is not allowed if you are furloughed.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
Has it been confirmed Naismith has agreed 50% reduction listened to the Sportsound interview on Saturday with Budge and she said no player was being asked to take more than a 30ish :greengrin percentage cut. Given she hasn't trumpeted an agreement yet would assume no agreement in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by RoYO!
It is, as long as it doesn't generate revenue for the employer.Quote:
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It's a long way down this page....
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Would encouraging fans to renew season tickets be seen as generating revenue. Suppose not directly.Quote:
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Have the SPFL really not made a decision on the league yet?
These people are the biggest bunch of cowards ever.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Exactly. Does anyone really think that in these extraordinary times that HMRC are going to be running around scrutinising every player's activity while stood down?
There’s some big meeting happening today to discuss it before taking it to all levels in the SPFL. I’m guessing it’ll be more of the same “wait and see if the virus magically disappears in the next two months” approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Think I heard at the weekend there was an Spfl board meeting yesterday and they would possibly then deliver what they thought to a clubs meeting today. Whether that is correct at all :greengrin or whether anything is ratified today who knows. :greengrinQuote:
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On another point I wonder how the spfl board deal with decisions where some of the board members would have an obvious conflict of interest given they are primarily if not totally Donkey aside made up of club representatives.
Board meets this morning, then with clubs this afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
You can’t volunteer for your employer - only another organisation. Loads of charities have workers who want to volunteer but can’t:Quote:
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https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/furloughed-workers-volunteer-not-own-organisations-government-says/volunteering/article/1678576
It’s complicated - the calls might be voluntary but they were given the details by their employer so technically they’ve been asked to do work?Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
As for training I agree - they can train on their own but if they’ve been given a programme by the club to follow then they’re following their employers instructions.
According to the Daily Ranger, The Rangers have started digging up their pitch.
I’m no fan of the football administrators in this country but disagree with you here.Quote:
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It’s a difficult decision they’ve got ahead of them and whatever route they go down they will likely have to head of a law suit. On top of that they have to be seen to be following UEFA guidance or their members will be hit hard in the pocket with possible bans from Europe.
As long as UEFA are saying the league season needs to be finished it’s difficult for our league to make a final decision.
I think the next step that will come out will be a target return date or a deadline for games starting up again with a caveat that if they’re not up and running by then, that’s when plans for next season will be unveiled.
You can.Quote:
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The Government website I posted is explicit about that.
Thought they were already doing that during the season as it was an absolute midden.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Clubs need clarity now on whats going to happen. Not another 2 months of obscurity and confusion.
Looks like they fell for the buried pirate treasure map that was anonymously posted to Ibrox.Quote:
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:agree: I was talking about it yesterday and the more you think about the more complicated it gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Contracts ending, transfer windows - can clubs sign players in the summer and if so can they play this season or do they need to wait until next season, players being cup tied but having moved on - if we play the rest of the cup in November who’s eligible? Imagine we signed Shankland having put his team out of the cup and he went on to score the winner in the final for us?
There was a meeting of the SPFL board yesterday and today there are 4 meetings of each of the 4 leagues where the board are likely to let the clubs know their recommendations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
I would think there will be leaks from today’s meetings.
While I don’t think the SPFL will make a decision today, it’s possible they set out a road map to a decision. Something along the lines of ‘if clubs can’t resume training by x date then the league will be called in current positions’. Means they are giving every chance to finish the games, so keeping UEFA happy while also giving the likes of Hearts time to adjust to the reality of relegation.
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
The board have said that because of this, they are only going to make recommendations on this issue and the clubs will take a vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
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Reported in The Times that they may call the lower leagues (championship down) as finished and leave decision on premier for longer to see if any chance of resuming.
Essential work? How can they get workers for that?Quote:
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Self employed folk can continue working.Quote:
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Interesting points. The Scottish cup has a chance of being finished next season just because the clubs involved will want the cash and so will the SFA. And it’s only three games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
I would think they will have to amend the rules in these special circumstances to allow teams to play with their new squads.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52204926Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
This is the closest they will ever get, to experiencing how it felt, at our end of Hampden, at the full time whistle on 21 May 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by underscore
Dig dig dig!
Hope they take the crossbar down too, what a day!
For the cup, I’d imagine you’re right but it could end up with a strange situation like the example I gave or even Docherty scoring the winner against us.Quote:
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Pub quiz questions for the future.[emoji3]Quote:
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Is Docherty one of the signings Hearts were talking about or have The Rangers managed to find a loop hole back into the Scottish Cup ?! 🤔Quote:
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The lower league clubs (Championship, L1 and L2) have voted to finish the leagues as they stand.Quote:
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If that's the case then Hearts are goosed.Quote:
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A player can only play for one club in a cup competition-that won't change regardless of when the remaining matches are played.Quote:
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Oh aye 😂 just a wee flaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdinMike
Same principal but use a different player then.
Teams might not have enough players available.Quote:
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Source? They apparently arent having the joint meeting till midday?Quote:
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.......... so Kamberi won’t score a hat trick for us in the final? :devil::tin hat::stirrer::offski:Quote:
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This reported on the BBC website this morning.Quote:
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Brooster knows you know.Quote:
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It's the top division that are meeting today.
Correct. Lower league have already voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by scoopyboy
Is it a majority vote? Not very fair that Patrick have a winnable game in hand to keep them up. Can’t believe that wouldn’t come into the argumen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
They'll call the season. Only question will be which system they use. Leave as is or use a super-computer (as they did in the old days for Pools Coupons).Quote:
Originally Posted by RoxburghHibs
Or they could also feed all the data into Football Manager and show the games play out on Sky :thumbsup:
https://news.stv.tv/sport/spfl-clubs...-clear-cut?top
United to be promoted but relegation not clear....ffs
If United are going up and reconstruction isn't on the cards, as per the article, then hearts are down surely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
Or a playoff with Hamilton.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Since90+2
Totally not fair on Hamilton that
Absolute joke if Hearts stay up. Why would they even consider reconstruction? It’s not even been mentioned for a long time, so if it’s just to keep them up, it’s a disgrace. They’ve been mismanaged & been the worse team by a mile over the last 12-18 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
I think it just means form championship and below they have a clear view with United going up but haven’t decided on premiership yet.
If United are going up and no league reconstruction then the Bambi’s are going down down down.
Why should Hamilton be forced into a play-off. They could argue that St Mirren are in danger of being relegated. Where would that end?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
I think that Dundee United will be promoted.
They will then have some kind of a play off between those that could still have been promoted / relegated part or play off as part of pre-season to determine who are in SPL or Championship. Those that were mathematically most likely will have more play off rounds to negotiate (Hearts)
Not saying I agree with it but it's probably not out with the realms of possibility. More likely than league reconstruction that keeps getting mentioned IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sioux
No chance can I see that, clubs need to know well in advance what league they are planning for as it will impact budgets etc and player targets. Needs decided and will be well before Pre seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Skol
If Partick are getting relegated then Hearts should be relegated. Surely it's only a matter of time until it happens.
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I heard something yesterday saying that the post-split fixtures will be binned and the season will end once teams play their remaining fixtures, meaning Hearts have 3 games to save themselves
That would need them to create a rule that wasn't in place at the beginning of the season which no clubs were playing to and would surely leave Hamilton with a legal challenge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sioux
Mind you an arrangement like this would be purely to accommodate the thieves and since they managed to fiddle the 5 way agreement through anything's possible in Scottish football.
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If we could play football we wouldn’t need all these meetings.[emoji6]Quote:
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It’s not because it’s Hearts that I’m annoyed, but there’s a very good chance they’ll bounce straight back up. Hamilton, Ross Co etc, their goal every season is survival. It would be very damaging to them. Hearts are bottom for a reason. They’re the worst team in the league. Take your punishment without the embarrassing legal threat.Quote:
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Suspect the reason they're dealing with the Prem differently is to allow them to come to their own inevitable conclusion through discussion ..Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Boy
Option 1 - Wait for what could be months until games are allowed again, with no financial payout from the SFA/SPFL, running the real risk some clubs going bust (incl Hearts & Sevco)... only to end up with the same likely outcome - Celtic win the league, and Hearts get relegated. That could be extremely costly to many Prem clubs, just to give Hearts and Sevco a straw to clutch to.
Option 2 - Hearts and Sevco accept the inevitable, lifeline payouts are made to all clubs, tell UEFA to STFU and get on with planning for next season, selling season tickets etc. Hearts might be offered some money to take their medicine and avoid any costly legal challenge. This is probably the best that Budge can expect at this point and I suspect she'll accept it and sell it as some kind of moral victory to Hearts fans.
Sounds like the only reason the top league isn’t being decided on just now is UEFA.
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Originally Posted by Onion
Is it because they are scared of angry Huns, as usual?
The SPL are simply waiting for UEAFA too come to their senses and accept the season is over . Probably still have two weeks 1st of May before player contracts cause major problems so SPL can wait.
Accept what Championship League 1/2 have asked for and pay out now prize money too keep them going
All SPL have to do in two weeks is say Hearts down ........Four points adrift . Partick and play off teams are unfortunate .
Oh happy days 👍
Nah even they seem to have concluded the season is done doing up their pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
The net is closing on Hearts. What the SPFL have cleverly in my opinion done is said, ok all clubs you have two choices: 1. Void season or 2. call it as it is. And while the premier league clubs also vote, the outcome of this cannot be confirmed until SPFL have spoken and advised UEFA (remember the point made by president that he didn’t want to hear about it in the press).
All 42 clubs getting a vote. Only teams impacted significantly will vote to void it - Rangers (bitterness), Hearts and Patrick. Maybe one or two more. 90%+ will vote to call it given other option commercial suicide.
Then we will see Dundee United promoted, no play off and Patrick down and same approach for league 1 and 2. For Premier League - Celtic champions, Hearts relegated and confirmed ONLY ONCE discussed with UEFA - so might be a couple of weeks.
Hearts are 99% down.
Do Brechin stay up? That’s what I heard recently.
Looking at that CWG it states "A furloughed employee can take part in volunteer work, if it does not provide services to or generate revenue for, or on behalf of your organisation"Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
I have a vested interest in this, as a voluntary treasurer of a charity that is planning to continue paying full salaries to our small number of staff and furloughing them to recoup 80% of our costs. There might be some small opportunities for some staff to volunteer, but my reading of what I saw previously on that page suggested they couldn't. What could they do that is not providing a "service" to the organisation?
The penny is even starting to drop over on kickback...
Don't t disagree with anything apart from in sure UEFA said what happens with individual countries leugues is their decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col2
Yes the are fronting up about European cups but if as expected we finish the leuges as they are then I doubt it will be a problem.
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