(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

It'll be a landslide, I don't think it will even be close.

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In what direction SDG?

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

It'll be a landslide, I don't think it will even be close.

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Current polling numbers say otherwise. Not sure how you’ve came to this conclusion.

Black protester shot dead by 'someone in passing SUV' in Detroit. White House closed down for an hour due to protests.

Hotting up.

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Originally Posted by wpj

In what direction SDG?

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Trump.

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Originally Posted by HibernianJK

Current polling numbers say otherwise. Not sure how you’ve came to this conclusion.

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Polling can be wrong, remember the Brexit vote?

I just think that Trump's words resonate with millions of people across the USA and I just don't see that same connection between Biden and the people who might vote for him.

Although we might sit over here and think Trump has lost the plot every time he decides to jump onto Twitter, there are millions who lap it up and the rhetoric really strikes a chord with them.

Honestly I'd be shocked if Trump doesn't win in November.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Black protester shot dead by 'someone in passing SUV' in Detroit. White House closed down for an hour due to protests.

Hotting up.

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Probably what’s needed more protests minus the shootings


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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Trump.



Polling can be wrong, remember the Brexit vote?

I just think that Trump's words resonate with millions of people across the USA and I just don't see that same connection between Biden and the people who might vote for him.

Although we might sit over here and think Trump has lost the plot every time he decides to jump onto Twitter, there are millions who lap it up and the rhetoric really strikes a chord with them.

Honestly I'd be shocked if Trump doesn't win in November.

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I’m not sure Trumps support has increased since last time out though, I think they’ve just got a lot louder and have more of a platform. I think people will be surprised with how much of the vote Biden gets come November. There’s a lot of people who won’t go and campaign for him, won’t obviously support him (mainly Sanders supporters) but will still vote for him just because of the anti trump vote.

Trump isn’t really gonna recruit new voters now, he is what he’s always been and that’s not gonna change. There is a however a lot of room for Biden to increase his vote IMO. He’s done virtually nothing and his campaign really hasn’t started.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Trump.



Polling can be wrong, remember the Brexit vote?

I just think that Trump's words resonate with millions of people across the USA and I just don't see that same connection between Biden and the people who might vote for him.

Although we might sit over here and think Trump has lost the plot every time he decides to jump onto Twitter, there are millions who lap it up and the rhetoric really strikes a chord with them.

Honestly I'd be shocked if Trump doesn't win in November.

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Polling can be wrong, so can hunches and gut feelings. Or predicting the worst case scenario just in case it happens and you’ve prepared yourself mentally for it.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

It'll be a landslide, I don't think it will even be close.

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Not sure it’ll be a landslide but I’d be stunned if he didn’t win. Pleasantly stunned of course.

I can't see Trump losing, I haven't seen or heard much of Biden tbh.
Trump is declaring war on anything and anyone who disagrees with him, this will appeal to his supporters and will attract more who abstain from mainstream politics

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Originally Posted by wpj

I can't see Trump losing, I haven't seen or heard much of Biden tbh.
Trump is declaring war on anything and anyone who disagrees with him, this will appeal to his supporters and will attract more who abstain from mainstream politics

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Why would declaring war on anyone and everyone attract people who are not interested in politics? Is war generally held to be such a good thing? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Why would declaring war on anyone and everyone attract people who are not interested in politics? Is war generally held to be such a good thing? :dunno:

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There are pockets of people all over USA who dont "recognise" the federal government. Trump's stance will appeal to some of them as he is seen as an alternative to the establishment. The militias have finally got someone in the White House who will pay attention to them.
Personally I think war is not at all a good thing, obviously there are exceptions where evil ideology has had to be beaten but there are many more examples of pointless wars

Trump will probably firm up support amongst his own but he’ll firm up support against him and do little to attract drifting neutrals.

Without knowing much about it, I just can’t see how he could win.

He’s a moron.

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

No that would just make him a slavering arse. He is actually the Stalin of American politics. He believes everything he says is right on any subject and there are consequences for anyone who disagrees. I would be very worried if I was an American. Their constitution will get ripped up by this man over the next few years if he gets in again. He will badge it as protecting against those who push fake news but it will really be about silencing opposition. I actually wouldn't out it past him to try to change the two terms in office deal to hold onto power.
He has already fired the first shots in his defence if he loses the next election by claiming that all postal votes will be fraudulent.

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:agree: I’ve thought this for a long time. He’ll claim it’s unconstitutional and discriminatory. with a straight face

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Originally Posted by McD

:agree: I’ve thought this for a long time. He’ll claim it’s unconstitutional and discriminatory. with a straight face

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Yep. If it’s good enough for Putin it’s good enough for Trump

Basically threatening to shoot American citizens and encouraging his own people to come out and counter protest against protesters at White House.

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Basically threatening to shoot American citizens and encouraging his own people to come out and counter protest against protesters at White House.

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And just seen him say MAGA loves African Americans, MAGA loves the Black people. Unbelievable choice of words. Actually....not so unbelievable

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

Basically threatening to shoot American citizens and encouraging his own people to come out and counter protest against protesters at White House.

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He is Dangerous


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Trump to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organisation.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9541306.html

This cuts straight to the heart of Trump and his core support. The good ol' boys playing Dixie and triumphing General Lee are showing pride in their heritage, but the issue is the people who try to hold them to account? I don't buy into all that Antifa do to achieve their aims but a society that denies free expression is a dictatorship.

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Originally Posted by HibernianJK

Said it before I just don’t know where people get this opinion from. Biden isn’t a great candidate but appeals to more people than Hillary did last time around.

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Because historically a sitting president very very rarely loses re-election.

I know people will say it's wrong sometimes but fact is, he's still ridiculously popular in America.

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Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy

Because historically a sitting president very very rarely loses re-election.

I know people will say it's wrong sometimes but fact is, he's still ridiculously popular in America.

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I think it depends on where you're seeing this representation to be honest. There's a new generation of eligible voters this time around, and a fair few of an older generation will have died out since the last time - the young vote in the majority of States is progressive and left. There are undoubtedly exceptions, but Trump has doubled down on that Republican base time and time again.

Covid-19 deaths, the absolute disintegration of the economy, the constant lies, the withdrawal from all environmental policies and roll-back of environmental legislation, and now this...Biden isn't perfect, but I absolutely can't see Trump getting a second sitting.

But then my observations are probably skewed, because the vast majority of my engagement with political news and opinion from the US comes from colleagues and friends in the extremely Democratic safe seat of California!

Hope you're well by the way, sir.

The incumbency thing is interesting.

I think one probably has to start in 1952. Media access had become a lot wider post-war and Truman decided not to run after a surprise victory in 1948.

Eisenhower won a second term. Kennedy didn’t see out his first, and while Johnson won a landslide in 1964 he chose not to run in 1968.

Nixon won two elections but resigned and Gerald Ford faced an uphill task, impounded by Carter being able to carry a lot of the southern states. Carter was undone by a few issues, which opened the door for Reagan, who got two terms. GHWB won a term, against a weak opponent and with really negative campaigning, but dug himself into a hole with his comment about taxes, and the general state of the economy.

Clinton won twice despite the personal stuff that came out throughout the first term. Dubya got two terms, though there remains a debate about the veracity of the first win and the downright despicable tactics in the second. Obama won his two terms.

So, history tells us that in recent times, incumbents do win a second term. But even saying that, it feels like media, social media, reportage and comment has shifted since Obama won term two in 2012.
It will be interesting to see how this GE pans out and what the messages, explicit or implicit, are from the two contenders.

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Originally Posted by Sylar

I think it depends on where you're seeing this representation to be honest. There's a new generation of eligible voters this time around, and a fair few of an older generation will have died out since the last time - the young vote in the majority of States is progressive and left. There are undoubtedly exceptions, but Trump has doubled down on that Republican base time and time again.

Covid-19 deaths, the absolute disintegration of the economy, the constant lies, the withdrawal from all environmental policies and roll-back of environmental legislation, and now this...Biden isn't perfect, but I absolutely can't see Trump getting a second sitting.

But then my observations are probably skewed, because the vast majority of my engagement with political news and opinion from the US comes from colleagues and friends in the extremely Democratic safe seat of California!

Hope you're well by the way, sir.

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All a very solid argument.

However, the fact remains: the republicans mobilise their vote better.

I would LOVE to be wrong.

I'm good pal, hope you're well. Feel free to shout anytime [emoji106]

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Will this be enough to get him removed from the White House

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/anony...ffrey-epstein/

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Originally Posted by BS44

Will this be enough to get him removed from the White House

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/anony...ffrey-epstein/

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All the stuff that Anonymous released today wasn't a leak, it's been know since 2016 and was public information before the last election, all it might do it raise the profile of it all a bit more for folk that were unaware

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

All the stuff that Anonymous released today wasn't a leak, it's been know since 2016 and was public information before the last election, all it might do it raise the profile of it all a bit more for folk that were unaware

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Seems to be a dead link now. What did it highlight?

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

Seems to be a dead link now. What did it highlight?

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An allegation against Trump and Epstein for the rape of a 13 year old girl

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

The incumbency thing is interesting.

I think one probably has to start in 1952. Media access had become a lot wider post-war and Truman decided not to run after a surprise victory in 1948.

Eisenhower won a second term. Kennedy didn’t see out his first, and while Johnson won a landslide in 1964 he chose not to run in 1968.

Nixon won two elections but resigned and Gerald Ford faced an uphill task, impounded by Carter being able to carry a lot of the southern states. Carter was undone by a few issues, which opened the door for Reagan, who got two terms. GHWB won a term, against a weak opponent and with really negative campaigning, but dug himself into a hole with his comment about taxes, and the general state of the economy.

Clinton won twice despite the personal stuff that came out throughout the first term. Dubya got two terms, though there remains a debate about the veracity of the first win and the downright despicable tactics in the second. Obama won his two terms.

So, history tells us that in recent times, incumbents do win a second term. But even saying that, it feels like media, social media, reportage and comment has shifted since Obama won term two in 2012.
It will be interesting to see how this GE pans out and what the messages, explicit or implicit, are from the two contenders.

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Always felt sorry for Jimmy Carter, he was emptied after one spell. He was a decent man and I have heard rumours he let Willie Nelson smoke a joint on the White House roof, may have actually joined him.

Imagine having to elect a president and your choice is between two septuagenarians, both with multiple sexual misconduct allegations.

What a wonderful start to the decade thus far.

Trump spent the night in a bunker under the White House as protesters spend a third evening harassing the perimeter of the presidents home and the streets of America’s capital burned through the night.

What a time to be alive!!