***ake!!!!
Opinium/Observer:
CON: 38% (+2)
LAB: 23% (-1)
LDEM: 15% (-5)
BREX: 12% (+1)
GRN: 4% (+2)
03 - 04 Oct
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***ake!!!!
Opinium/Observer:
CON: 38% (+2)
LAB: 23% (-1)
LDEM: 15% (-5)
BREX: 12% (+1)
GRN: 4% (+2)
03 - 04 Oct
Clearly, not everyone can see through Johnson as well as this constituent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
While Corbyn is in post then a no deal brexit is more likely than stopping brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Strange poll that doesn't include SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Without going back I'm not sure any of these polls have included the SNP. It's made me wonder if they have included Scotland!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
I'm sure, UK wide, the snp vote registers around 3%, so probably not significant enough for UK wide polls. Ozy will be along soon to correct me if I'm wrong. 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Does it add up to 100%?
Essentially, the coming election will be an intelligence test.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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They are, just not copied in the tweet that MY quoted:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
https://www.opinium.co.uk/political-...-october-2019/
https://www.opinium.co.uk/wp-content...03-Chart-1.png
It’s going to take a massive amount of tactical voting just to get to a hung parliament. I can’t see it happening. I think the Tories will get a small majority.
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If Corbyn/Swinson don't form some sort of anti-Johnson pact then we're ****ed. But we all know that will never happen is Corbyn is stubborn and Swinson is basically a Tory who joined the LDs because of how toxic they are up here.
Case lost.
latest Brexit court ruling here - Scottish courts turn down an attempt to force PM to ask for a Brexit extension https://scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-s
My understanding is that, whilst the case is technically lost, it's effectively achieved its aim anyway - i.e. the government was forced in to making submissions in defence of the case which mean they're legally bound to send the letter anyway. And if for whatever reason they don't send the letter they can quite quickly be hauled back in front of court for breach of undertakings made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Anti-no deal campaigners will use different legal method in court tomorrow to try again
:agree: But the main news programmes will be hailing a victory for Johnson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
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Edit: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGRlmF8X0AI6NMx?format=png if too small to read.
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Massive variation in the polls. There is no way the Tories are 15 points ahead. It's more likely half that. Remember may was allegedly 20 points ahead. Johnson is only appealing to leave voters in leave majority seats. Its still looking very much like a hung parliament as bumbling Boris will lose at least ten in Scotland,ten to fifteen of those deselected,three or four of the dups and of course for every leave seat he gets he could we'll lose a remain one. There has been no poll in months showing a majority for leave so he getting desperate hence the screaming rhetoric. Also during an election his weaknesses will show up. I'd think the Tories will end up around 300 seats and the opposition can form a govt if they wish. Who the hell would be the pm is of course another matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
My reading of it was more along the lines of "we have this confirmation/letter from the government that they will abide by the law so don't need to make a ruling"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
Now if they don't send the letter if they've not agreed a deal they'll be both breaking the law and in contempt of court.
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For all the noise I'm sure very few have changed their view. Also every poll on leave with no deal has been very much against it. Only the mail and the sun write false narratives hinting otherwise. Cummings and Johnson are not in control of what's happening and it's showing. If it's no deal the Tories will be destroyed at an election if we get the chaos anticipated and if we get an extension the brexit party will take loads of votes off them. I can't see how the Tories can get a majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think if the case had succeeded and the judge had made an order, Johnson would have been in contempt. But because the case failed, new proceedings will have to be brought against him if/when he reneges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Both yellowhammer and the CBI which is hardly left wing. Most commentators say there will be chaos for three to six months. At least half of small businesses have done nothing to get ready for no deal brexit.All the narrative from the govt makes no mention of any of this. Also Johnson is never challenged on how we are leaving on the 31st when to do so without a deal is breaking the law. Something not adding up here. It looks more like every day the govt and Cummings are making it up as they go along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cataplana
Believable if companies have done nothing. Bound to have to lay people off if cash flow is seriously disrupted.Quote:
Originally Posted by mjhibby
Might be right... I was thinking that if you state you'll do something to the judge/court then do something different you'd then be in contempt?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Found this ...
Brexit Job Loss Index: 420,348 Jobs Lost As Of 24 September 2019
The Brexit Job Loss Index is an attempt to keep track of the number of jobs lost in the UK due to Brexit.
Here are the key stats (last updated 24/09/2019):
Total Jobs Lost: 420,348
Total Annual Wages Lost*: £12,054,319,596
Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts**: £3,610,314,326.76
Job Losses By Region
Scotland: 29,836
Midlands: 26,227
North East: 21,179
London: 20,930
Wales 13,400
South West: 12,328
North West: 7,980
East of England: 4,753
South East: 4,751
Northern Ireland: 2,515
Gibraltar: 1,000
Southern England: 870
No specific region: 274,579
More here https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/
I think we're saying the same thing in slightly different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
I'm not fan of brexit, but that seems like some loose methodology there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
Indeed. The author of this blog appears to be drawing a long bow by attributing redundancies such as those at Thomas Cook to Brexit! Moreover, the last time I looked Scotland and Wales were countries not regions of the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/1...mpression=true
Worth a read.
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Ireland's fault, forriners should do what they're told, we're going to circumvent the law, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It’s interesting that they are going to campaign on no deal. Might change the dynamic of things.
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