Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Paul Murray, all he's doing is trying to get a consortium together. Absolutely no danger he has anywhere near the financial clout to be considered.
Any deal of his will either be backed by bringing in more debt or he'll need to convince several investors to take a huge gamble akin to giving Greece a loan

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I know this, but the fact is he is TRYING to get a deal done. The admins have to give him the necessary respect.

IMO, Greece is a safer bet, by the way :wink:

Was informed last night in my taxi
That mcgregor,Whittaker,Davis are
All having there wages paid by a
Third party and will not be on the
Goodbye list.

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Originally Posted by Hibby cal

Was informed last night in my taxi
That mcgregor,Whittaker,Davis are
All having there wages paid by a
Third party and will not be on the
Goodbye list.

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Is that a Haiku? :greengrin


TBH, if they are being paid by a third party, there's no saving if they are let go. :cb

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Originally Posted by Hibby cal

Was informed last night in my taxi
That mcgregor,Whittaker,Davis are
All having there wages paid by a
Third party and will not be on the
Goodbye list.

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Petty sure that's not legal - all income into RFC however it is derived belongs to the creditors and only the admins can dictate how this is deployed - for the good of the creditors.

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Originally Posted by The_Todd

I wouldn't even bet my jar of pennies I keep in the office on that list being real, blatant fake.

Rangers short term objective is to save £1m a month, all the high earners have to go. Whittaker, McGregor - all of them. Even if they can raise funds by selling them in the summer it'll be no use to them if Rangers are extinct in the summer anyway!

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Are you the fella that noted interest in buying them?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Whilst I agree that no-one with sense would buy the club as it is, the fact remains that there are potential buyers out there. The admins have been talking to them. They would be failing in their duty if they didn't at least try to make the club more attractive for a buyer.

Once the 16th March comes and goes, if there is no serious activity on the selling front, I suspect we might see more redundancies.

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Maybe the buyers don't want players on big money contracts on the books.

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Originally Posted by WindyMiller

Maybe the buyers don't want players on big money contracts on the books.

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IMO, that would be even dafter than wanting to buy them in the first place. :agree:

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Originally Posted by WindyMiller

Maybe the buyers don't want players on big money contracts on the books.

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Think you are nearer the truth than you realise :greengrin
David Moyes is advocating a 20 % in EPL wages to reduce gate prices .
There are at least two SPL and three SFL teams looking at the possibility of part time football next season .
Money is tight financial future is unsure and that is the bottom line

Possibly, probably even , there will be some deluded soul for whom RFC ticks all the boxes in his ego which will bring him to take on the task of running the club .

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Originally Posted by jdships

Think you are nearer the truth than you realise :greengrin
David Moyes is advocating a 20 % in EPL wages to reduce gate prices .
There are at least two SPL and three SFL teams looking at the possibility of part time football next season .
Money is tight financial future is unsure and that is the bottom line

Possibly, probably even , there will be some deluded soul for whom RFC ticks all the boxes in his ego which will bring him to take on the task of running the club .

:rolleyes:

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Read an article written by a concerned Evertonian apparently they are spending beyond their means but can't afford to do otherwise cos relegation would see them in deep doo-doo so the lemmings keep on playing the game alongside the others.
Maybe not surprising to hear that from Moyes.
As I've said all along this all stems for a failure of the authorities to protect the
Sustainability of the game. If they are not about that then what is their purpose ?

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Originally Posted by VivaPalmeiras

Read an article written by a concerned Evertonian apparently they are spending beyond their means but can't afford to do otherwise cos relegation would see them in deep doo-doo so the lemmings keep on playing the game alongside the others.
Maybe not surprising to hear that from Moyes.
As I've said all along this all stems for a failure of the authorities to protect the
Sustainability of the game. If they are not about that then what is their purpose ?

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Imho there is a sizeable proportion of people involved in football, from national to world level, for whom the purpose is to milk the cash cow as much as they can for their own benefit, regardless of how much the game they profess to love is damaged in the process.

I'd have thought the out of contract in the summer players would be 1st on the list, then 2nd string that Coisty thought he could do without, then he'd let the younger players who probably won't make it at the club go.

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Originally Posted by jc1

I'd have thought the out of contract in the summer players would be 1st on the list, then 2nd string that Coisty thought he could do without, then he'd let the younger players who probably won't make it at the club go.

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The thing is the players who arent playing wont be the high earners, they have to save £1million per month just to exist so their has to be a smattering of high earners in there to add up to £1million savings.

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Originally Posted by DannySugden

The thing is the players who arent playing wont be the high earners, they have to save £1million per month just to exist so their has to be a smattering of high earners in there to add up to £1million savings.

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Also be non football staff, they won't need coaches for 60 players so some of them will go and they will only need a small Rock Steady workforce to manage home crowds of 6,000.

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...et-sacked.html



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Originally Posted by silverhibee

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...et-sacked.html



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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/footbal...6908-23773872/


Spl rivals are being too soft. imo :agree:

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Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGd7uUh5HpU


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Originally Posted by silverhibee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGd7uUh5HpU


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Originally Posted by bingo70

Maybe so, however i'm still certain they won't release players like Mcgregor and Davis, how they get around it and make the money back i don't know but i'm just sure they won't be releasing them.

we'll find out tomorrow of course and if i'm wrong i'll hold my hands up but i don't think i will be.

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:agree: I'd be astonished if the likes of Allan McGregor and Steven Davis are released this week.

The likes of McCulloch, Healy, Papac, Aluko and Broadfoot, who will all be on pretty good wages, but who have very little transfer value, will be some of the first names on the list for redundancy.

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Absolute *****, McGregor would be one of the first to take a pay cut. Rangers through and through.

Sun spouting their usual pish, they can **** right off

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http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=212950

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I think you're missing my point. There ARE people out there who are interested in buying RFC... Paul Murray for one. Whilst they remain, the admins must consider them.

I am sure they know, as you and I do, that a sale is unlikely, hence the 16th March deadline.

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There were consortia interested in taking over Hearts but none was forthcoming with the cash needed. Pat the Plumber springs to mind!

As for Paul Murray, in his dreams. He is a time waster and the Administrators certainly know this although you are correct that they are duty bound to consider his interest.

The fact that Dave King is linked with the Murray consortium tells it all. Just what Rangers need is another tax avoiding crook running the club! King has been linked with a takeover of Rangers for the past five years in numerous Chick Young 'exclusives' but it never happened.

The Administrators may delude themselves into thinking that Rangers can be sold as a going concern but it is not going to happen, certainly not with a potential £75 million tax bill hanging over them. That case will not be resolved by 15 March so any deadline for then is pointless.

Their emphasis should have been focussed on cutting costs in the interests of the creditors. They have been in control for three weeks now and have hardly saved anything. Compare the situation at Motherwell when the Administrators dispatched 17 players on the first day and cancelled all season tickets making everyone pay at the gate.

Duff and Phelps seem to have a totally different agenda.

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Originally Posted by PaSaikouKujabi

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/inde...owtopic=212950

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McGregor Naismith Lafferty and Whittaker are all refusing to take wage cuts.


So i have heard.

More questions than answers

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...tion.16923666?

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

McGregor Naismith Lafferty and Whittaker are all refusing to take wage cuts.


So i have heard.

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The papers are suggesting similar this morning.

I think the players are edging their bets. They know they have value in the transfer market to Rangers so they're taking the chance that the administrator decides there's more value in paying them until the summer then punting them. But if they do get laid off, they'll get a bigger choice of clubs to go to with no transfer fee to pay, and they likely end up getting a bigger signing on fee.

Win win for the players involved.

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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew

The papers are suggesting similar this morning.

I think the players are edging their bets. They know they have value in the transfer market to Rangers so they're taking the chance that the administrator decides there's more value in paying them until the summer then punting them. But if they do get laid off, they'll get a bigger choice of clubs to go to with no transfer fee to pay, and they likely end up getting a bigger signing on fee.

Win win for the players involved.

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Agree with most of that apart from Laugherty being one of those with a value to the club!

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Originally Posted by jgl07

There were consortia interested in taking over Hearts but none was forthcoming with the cash needed. Pat the Plumber springs to mind!

As for Paul Murray, in his dreams. He is a time waster and the Administrators certainly know this although you are correct that they are duty bound to consider his interest.

The fact that Dave King is linked with the Murray consortium tells it all. Just what Rangers need is another tax avoiding crook running the club! King has been linked with a takeover of Rangers for the past five years in numerous Chick Young 'exclusives' but it never happened.

The Administrators may delude themselves into thinking that Rangers can be sold as a going concern but it is not going to happen, certainly not with a potential £75 million tax bill hanging over them. That case will not be resolved by 15 March so any deadline for then is pointless.

Their emphasis should have been focussed on cutting costs in the interests of the creditors. They have been in control for three weeks now and have hardly saved anything. Compare the situation at Motherwell when the Administrators dispatched 17 players on the first day and cancelled all season tickets making everyone pay at the gate.

Duff and Phelps seem to have a totally different agenda.

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I actually think D & P have done a decent job thus far. 5 or 10 pages back, I set out my reasons for thinking that, and I haven't seen anything yet to change that opinion.

I don't think you can compare RFC to Motherwell. The two situations are different, in that Motherwell didn't have the kind of shenanigans that RFC have; that was much simpler and, in administration terms, "normal".

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Originally Posted by silverhibee

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...et-sacked.html

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Just read the story and then noticed the links on the left hand side... :wink:

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Originally Posted by DannySugden

The thing is the players who arent playing wont be the high earners, they have to save £1million per month just to exist so their has to be a smattering of high earners in there to add up to £1million savings.

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Some of the backup on the bench will still be on around £5-10,000

BIG BIG NEWS RE TICKETUS DEAL

Received an email from Ticketus this morning.............

It has come to my attention that XXXXX (staff of ticketus) has been in contact with you about the Ticketus/Glasgow Rangers deal and suggested that the deal was credit insured.

I would like to point out that this is not correct and to apologise for this error.

Assume they must be bricking it now. Doubt wee Shytie Whytie's guarantee will seem so secure.

Well better get off to speak to clients.......urgently

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Originally Posted by PatHead

BIG BIG NEWS RE TICKETUS DEAL

Received an email from Ticketus this morning.............

It has come to my attention that XXXXX (staff of ticketus) has been in contact with you about the Ticketus/Glasgow Rangers deal and suggested that the deal was credit insured.

I would like to point out that this is not correct and to apologise for this error.

Assume they must be bricking it now. Doubt wee Shytie Whytie's guarantee will seem so secure.

Well better get off to speak to clients.......urgently

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Wow, that is big news.

I would presume that CW was speaking the truth when he said that he had underwritten the deal, then? Otherwise, where was Ticketus' comfort?

Thinking aloud then... RFCG (presumably) guaranteed the Ticketus deal. RFCG had security over the RFC assets, which might have been enough in normal circumstances.

Ticketus, though, clearly didn't allow for the fact that RFC were crap in Europe. The minute Malmo scored back in August, the deck of cards began to wobble.