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3rd place in the league should get the higher reward in Europe rather than the cup winning team
Not just saying it cause we may get it
But over a season rather than 4-6 games the higher team based on league position should be rewarded surely
Absolute nonsense
Sorry if this has been covered but what does 3rd and 4th place get if Celtic don’t win the cup?
I think the way they look at it rightly or wrongly is the top two teams get the premium European spots with them it going to cup winners then 3rd and 4th. Rather than them seeing 3rd place as the premium spot.
it is what it is been like this for years, happened to us when Jack Ross was in charge only think St Johnstone was screwed out the group stage last minute for whatever reason can’t remember.
Second qualifying round Europa League and second qualifying round Conference League.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
3rd is 2nd round in europa league, 6 games for group stage europa league and if put out go to next round of Conference so get two chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
4th is 2nd round of conference league again 6 games from group stage football.
Virtually impossible to get into the league phase through this route.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.H.F.C
Given our seeding we will come across a biggie in the play-off round, for example Aston Villa who we got a couple of years ago.
Get through two rounds in the Europa qualifying and you’d be guaranteed Conference League if losing in the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
How come Irish sides seem to manage it from time to time then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
It is complicated but the league champions from countries such as Ireland and other smaller nations get to the league phase through what is called the 'champions route'.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
They enter the Champions league, get through one or two rounds against a couple of minnows and if they get knocked out fall directly into the league phase of the Europa League or Conference League.
This is why we see teams such as Shamrock Rovers and FC Noah appear in the league phase.
I’ll no pretend to know exactly how it works, but I think it’s down to the path they get, the champions path as winners of their domestic league. I think it then means that they avoid any of the real big boys, like us managing to pull out Villa in the Conference League.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
****s sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
I thought that was my way of saying you were wrong but you’ve just really pissed on my chips there.
I’ll put away the passport for now.
We finish 3rd and Celtic win the cup you will be fine for European fixtures until Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Just hope it works out this way.
Is there any concerns about Bournemouth potentially being in the same European competition as us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibees1973
It certainly takes the shine off our achievement somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
My predictions:
Sat 26 April
Dundee United v Celtic (12:30) UTD LOSS
Aberdeen v Hibernian (15:00) DRAW
3 May
Hibernian v Dundee United (15:00) HIBS WIN
St Mirren v Aberdeen (15:00) ABERDEEN WIN
Sat 10 May
Celtic v Hibernian (15:00) HIBS LOSS
Dundee United v St Mirren (15:00) UTD WIN
Sun 11 May
Rangers v Aberdeen (12:00) ABERDEEN LOSS
Wed 14 May
Aberdeen v Celtic (19:45) ABERDEEN DRAW
Rangers v Dundee United (19:45) UTD LOSS
St Mirren v Hibernian (19:45) DRAW
Sat 17 May
Dundee United v Aberdeen (12:30) DRAW
Hibernian v Rangers (12:30) DRAW
HIBS 59
ABERDEEN 56
UTD 54
First two games are massive
We need to get to that last game against sevco so that it’s done and dusted and completly irrelevant, might be stating the obvious
But getting the job done and not getting beat at Aberdeen is a massive step to getting where we need to be.
GGTTH
I like the idea of playing Aberdeen and Utd early.
We are on a great run of form - it may not last forever but I don’t see it stopping anytime soon.
Worst case scenario we need to beat the Huns final game I reckon Hibs would do it at a sold out Easter Road.
Have full belief and faith in the boys to get this job over the line.
Aberdeen away I would expect to sell out for Hibs fans - it’s like a cup final.
Said it before though we may not even know about Europe till May 25th anyway and AFTER the Scottish cup final.
St Mirren will win a game or two I think. They’ll beat us, Aberdeen or Dundee Utd imo, hopefully it’s not us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
That’s just Sky being Sky there. I know it’s been done to death on here but BT Sports (as was)gave a much better coverage of Scottish football especially their Friday night games.Quote:
Originally Posted by EGL2000
Sky’s obsession with covering the Uglies virtually every week to the exclusion of most non Old Firm games is poor and reflects their real interest in our game up here. Some years they can’t even be arsed to show their full complement of Scottish games - can you imagine the outrage if they did that with the EPL?
I believe this is a UEFA rule – the best of the Europa League places has to go to the national cup winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by EH54
That was to do with the reassignment of an extra Europa League place (caused by the Europa League winner getting a Champions League place). Earlier in the season it was assumed that Scotland would benefit, based on our position in the coefficient table and how UEFA had previously handled the reassignment. However, UEFA didn't confirm it until later in the season and in the end it went to another country (Cyprus IIRC).Quote:
Originally Posted by EH54
Subsequently (the following season maybe?) our coefficient increased enough that our standard cup winner/third place entry was the Europa League playoff round, giving the current situation.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Does it? Not for me in the slightest.
That projects us doing relatively poorly (6 points from 15) but still getting 3rd with something to spare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
stats are in our favour
last 10 seasons the team that was 3rd before split finshed 3rd or higher
19/20 was of course when the league stopped at 30 games due to covid
will add to that points difference between 3rd and 4th before split and final points usually stay around the same
Thats one of those ‘correlation not causation’ stats. Bit of a coincidence rather than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Tried to be realistic as possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I still think United and Aberdeen will chuck a win in against rangers probably just depends who
Similarly I think we could go to st Mirren and pick up a huge win. I just really don’t want us to be going to the last game needing something. Not good for the heart.
As I said first two games massive.
Think we'll draw against Aberdeen and beat Dundee Utd & St Mirren, that'll do for securing 3rd.
Tried to be realistic as possibleQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I still think United and Aberdeen will chuck a win in against rangers probably just depends who
Similarly I think we could go to st Mirren and pick up a huge win. I just really don’t want us to be going to the last game needing something. Not good for the heart.
As I said first two games massive.
Thats down to UEFA - it maintains a bit control / prestige for the national associations as the clubs run the top leagues these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Nicho87
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Originally Posted by Nicho87
If St mirren have someting to play for by the time we meet them that means they have taken points of other teams which would be ideal.
St Mirren are the fly in everybody's ointment .... while they still have a mathematical chance of finishing 4th or 5th they will be well up for it and with everybody playing each other it's not impossible they could make a late run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not In The Know
The fact is we have 5 cup finals coming up, with the possibility of a huge reward at the end of them .... but so do Aberdeen and Dundee United .... I can see this going down to the wire and I can only imagine what a final day against Sevco needing to win to make 3rd will be like .... have a feeling it could make the atmosphere against AEK Athens look like a group stage league cup tie :greengrin