Josh Campbell

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Originally Posted by easty

I don't think there's anything ignorant about having the opinion that Campbell isn't good enough.

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I do.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

The truth is, while they may play different roles, Campbell simply isn't as good as Newell, and certainly not Allan. He must improve.

He scores a few goals and works hard. That isn't good enough long term.

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Your comparing different different types of Midfielders again and to use your own words that's silly. Truth is every Midfielder we have has weaknesses in there game ! Even your Joe Newell though it seems one is exempt from any criticism with you while the other has to be ridiculed at every opportunity !

Joe Newells goal scoring and creativity has been poor most of his career! Look at the list of clubs he's played for throughout his career , the best being either Birmingham or ourselves!. Why is that?.

Campbell isn't like Newell or isn't as creative as Allan though probably works as hard as either and certainly scores more goals than both!

Long-term at 23 josh has plenty of time to improve which Newell hasn't. He's not got that luxury. You can criticise Campbell as much as you want though he will always be one of our own another thing Newell ain't. Long-term josh has a future at Hibs if he doesn't move , were will Newell be in 3 or 4 years time? probably back at Rotherham if he's lucky enough ! !

Btw I always thought alot of Newells set pieces have been s*** though I suppose it does boast his assist statistics that aren't great like his goal scoring record! Campbell is also worth more than Joe Newell has or will ever be for reasons you want to ignore aswell !

He reminds me of Pat McGinlay. Not technically brilliant but a great engine and a knack of arriving at the right time.

I think he might flourish to some extent at least with some better coaching.

Every thread is about Joe Newell eventually.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Campbell is also worth more than Joe Newell has or will ever be for reasons you want to ignore aswell !

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Is he? Based on what? We've had bids for neither, that I'm aware of.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

17 in 127

39 assists

Campbell has 13 in 87

9 assists

Lets not be silly and compare these 2 players.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

The truth is, while they may play different roles, Campbell simply isn't as good as Newell, and certainly not Allan. He must improve.

He scores a few goals and works hard. That isn't good enough long term.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

This isn't really true. Scott Allan was miles more consistent than Josh Campbell.

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Truth be told you say one thing but totally contradict yourself then ! Campbell is a totally different type of midfielder from Newell and Allan yet you repeatedly try and make comparisons while saying it would be SILLY too :dunno: .. You'll be trying to make a comparison with Jeggo and Campbell next probably 😂

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Originally Posted by easty

Is he? Based on what? We've had bids for neither, that I'm aware of.

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I think so ! You think Newell's worth more than Campbell then?

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Originally Posted by easty

Is he? Based on what? We've had bids for neither, that I'm aware of.

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We have had bids for Josh.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

I think so ! You think Newell's worth more than Campbell then?

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He's worth more to our team, absolutely.

I don't think we'll make much (if any) money from either of them to be honest. I think Joe Newell will play here a couple/few more years until he's at an age where his transfer value is little to none. I don't think we'll ever sell Campbell for a great sum of money, maybe a small fee down the line. People can talk about interest from Italian teams all they want...if they wanted him they'd have got him.

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Originally Posted by Centre Hawf

He was one of our biggest goal threats last season and has shown at times he still is this season, I would back him to hit double digits again in all comps if he plays enough. He's a good player with some limitations (he's not as technical as Newell and Levitt) but he can press and play in the final third like they two can. Delighted to have him as an option at the club.

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Campbell is reactive as opposed to reactive in his press and attempts to retrieve the ball.

Prone to getting caught in possession in dangerous areas and passing isn’t good enough for him to play as one of two central mids.

Granted he is a goal threat. Useful to come off bench as a ten perhaps.

IF Monty goes with 2 in middle it’s Newell and Levitt for me as first choice. Then JDH then Jeggo in that order of back up


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Originally Posted by AlbertK86

Campbell is reactive as opposed to reactive in his press and attempts to retrieve the ball.

Prone to getting caught in possession in dangerous areas and passing isn’t good enough for him to play as one of two central mids.

Granted he is a goal threat. Useful to come off bench as a ten perhaps.

IF Monty goes with 2 in middle it’s Newell and Levitt for me as first choice. Then JDH then Jeggo in that order of back up


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I don't think he would play in the middle 2 in a 442. More chance of him playing as the false 9 or right mid. Remember Monty will want those wide players to do lots of defending also. Thats not Youan and Boyles strong points.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I don't think he would play in the middle 2 in a 442. More chance of him playing as the false 9 or right mid. Remember Monty will want those wide players to do lots of defending also. Thats not Youan and Boyles strong points.

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I'm all about results, and I'll take Hibs being a slightly "boring" team that wins games over an exciting team thats mid table.

However, the thought of us leaving out Youan/Boyle for Campbell is a depressing thought to me. Even if it does make sense from a defending point of view.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Your comparing different different types of Midfielders again and to use your own words that's silly. Truth is every Midfielder we have has weaknesses in there game ! Even your Joe Newell though it seems one is exempt from any criticism with you while the other has to be ridiculed at every opportunity !

Joe Newells goal scoring and creativity has been poor most of his career! Look at the list of clubs he's played for throughout his career , the best being either Birmingham or ourselves!. Why is that?.

Campbell isn't like Newell or isn't as creative as Allan though probably works as hard as either and certainly scores more goals than both!

Long-term at 23 josh has plenty of time to improve which Newell hasn't. He's not got that luxury. You can criticise Campbell as much as you want though he will always be one of our own another thing Newell ain't. Long-term josh has a future at Hibs if he doesn't move , were will Newell be in 3 or 4 years time? probably back at Rotherham if he's lucky enough ! !

Btw I always thought alot of Newells set pieces have been s*** though I suppose it does boast his assist statistics that aren't great like his goal scoring record! Campbell is also worth more than Joe Newell has or will ever be for reasons you want to ignore aswell !

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DH, I get that it’s easy to get drawn into frustrating back and forths with… let’s just say these circumstances! However I think you’ve let your frustration make you go to town on Joe Newell who is playing his best stuff for us this season.

That’s not to say none of your points are valid, but it’s not like you to turn it onto another player as one of the more positive posters and largely defensive of our boys 👍

I fully appreciate your frustration isn’t with JN 😁

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Paul Allen and Vinny Samways were vital parts of Spurs 1991 cup winning side.

Were they as "good" as Paul Gasgoine? No-one would pass up the chance of signing Gasgoine for either Samways or Allen, but they were still excellent players.

Writing off Josh Campbell because he wasn't as "good" as Scott Allan is completely missing the point.

I'm of a mind to delete the thread altogether. I started it as a positive observation about what Josh can bring to the team, and my opinion that Montgomery will appreciate his energy, commitment and graft.

To then see ignorant comments appear alleging that he's "just not good enough" is disappointing, if not predictable.

I think Josh will flourish under NM. Others may think otherwise but there's no need to denigrate him.

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I agree D. The same people saying the same thing ad nauseam adds nothing to the debate. Maybe you could start a Joe Newell thread? I'm missing those! :wink:

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Originally Posted by easty

I'm all about results, and I'll take Hibs being a slightly "boring" team that wins games over an exciting team thats mid table.

However, the thought of us leaving out Youan/Boyle for Campbell is a depressing thought to me. Even if it does make sense from a defending point of view.

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Won’t be happening. Rest easty 😁

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I don't think he would play in the middle 2 in a 442. More chance of him playing as the false 9 or right mid. Remember Monty will want those wide players to do lots of defending also. Thats not Youan and Boyles strong points.

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Yep potentially…. I have a feeling we may see only on of Boyle or Youan playing on the wing with Obita on left when fit for tha defensive side needed.

Won’t be surprised to see Youan or Boyle through the middle


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Originally Posted by easty

He's worth more to our team, absolutely.

I don't think we'll make much (if any) money from either of them to be honest. I think Joe Newell will play here a couple/few more years until he's at an age where his transfer value is little to none. I don't think we'll ever sell Campbell for a great sum of money, maybe a small fee down the line. People can talk about interest from Italian teams all they want...if they wanted him they'd have got him.

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If josh doesn't have a good season I'd agree with you though I really do think Josh will score double figures this season and if he does a Midfielder that can do that will certainly catch the eye of other clubs .

Goalscoring midfielders are imo a type of midfielder that is certainly wanted by clubs. There Hard to get ! . I think its quite possibly we could get a million plus for josh if he has a good season.

As for Newell after starting at Birmingham and playing for the mighty Peterborough, St Alban's and Rotherham we are probably as good as its going to get for him TBH .

It's a team game, everybody brings different attributes. If Josh is to further his career those attributes will called upon and made more obvious. As HR says we now have a manager who sees one of his attributes as being able to bring out a players best and develop them into a rounded version of themselves. Proof is in the pudding so I'm not writing any player off right now as "not good enough", I'll leave that to the professional guy who is employed to make that decision.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

If josh doesn't have a good season I'd agree with you though I really do think Josh will score double figures this season and if he does a Midfielder that can do that will certainly catch the eye of other clubs .

Goalscoring midfielders are imo a type of midfielder that is certainly wanted by clubs. There Hard to get ! . I think its quite possibly we could get a million plus for josh if he has a good season.

As for Newell after starting at Birmingham and playing for the mighty Peterborough, St Alban's and Rotherham we are probably as good as its going to get for him TBH .

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I know Rotherham aren't a particularly exciting team, but Newell was a regular there over a number of seasons in the English Championship, and that's a fairly decent achievement. Kevin Nisbet and Ryan Porteous were 2 of our best players, and they've just moved to that league.

It's not outwith the realms of possibility that we could get a million for Campbell, but if I was betting on it...my money would be on it not happening.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

I think so ! You think Newell's worth more than Campbell then?

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In a playing sense Newell is currently worth a lot more to our team than Campbell is. I wouldn’t have said that a year ago but he’s massively improved his performance levels for me.

Campbell, or any player, will only ever be worth financially what folk want to pay for them. I don’t see Campbell as a million plus player, I don’t think he’ll play week in, week out as the season develops.

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Originally Posted by AlbertK86

Campbell is reactive as opposed to reactive in his press and attempts to retrieve the ball.

Prone to getting caught in possession in dangerous areas and passing isn’t good enough for him to play as one of two central mids.

Granted he is a goal threat. Useful to come off bench as a ten perhaps.

IF Monty goes with 2 in middle it’s Newell and Levitt for me as first choice. Then JDH then Jeggo in that order of back up


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I suggest you rewatch the raith cup goal,newell in plenty space plays a hospital pass to Jeggo which rovers snaffle up and go through to score. Newell seems to get a pass on this stuff whilst Campbell gets hounded. I’ve seen newell do this plenty. As another poster pointed out it’s just ignorance and I’ll go one further and say it’s lazy finger pointing. Both players offer plenty when we are good. The team recent seasons hasn’t been good enough and mistakes they both make need to be cut out. As for Josh being behind JDH folk need to have a serious word.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

If josh doesn't have a good season I'd agree with you though I really do think Josh will score double figures this season and if he does a Midfielder that can do that will certainly catch the eye of other clubs .

Goalscoring midfielders are imo a type of midfielder that is certainly wanted by clubs. There Hard to get ! . I think its quite possibly we could get a million plus for josh if he has a good season.

As for Newell after starting at Birmingham and playing for the mighty Peterborough, St Alban's and Rotherham we are probably as good as its going to get for him TBH .

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I'd really like Josh to work on the basics, like his passing and awareness, countless times he has been asleep or unaware, when attackers run off him and in to dangerous positions. He has an excellent work ethic and is usually calm when chances come his way, but as with defending, the lack of awareness, will see him have an unlikely shot blocked, with team mates in better positions. Very much hit and miss.

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Originally Posted by tonyrougier123

I suggest you rewatch the raith cup goal,newell in plenty space plays a hospital pass to Jeggo which rovers snaffle up and go through to score. Newell seems to get a pass on this stuff whilst Campbell gets hounded. I’ve seen newell do this plenty. As another poster pointed out it’s just ignorance and I’ll go one further and say it’s lazy finger pointing. Both players offer plenty when we are good. The team recent seasons hasn’t been good enough and mistakes they both make need to be cut out. As for Josh being behind JDH folk need to have a serious word.

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You must be new to Hibs.net if you think Newell gets a pass on anything he does.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I do.

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I hope you’re not including me as one who’s said he isn’t good enough - or worse as some have said. I acknowledged his good points but said his decision making was poor and his technical ability wasn’t the best. I also said I hoped that coaching from the new guys would improve those weaknesses.

I understand why a lot of folk are saying he isn’t good enough but he does have good attributes and can be a valuable member of the squad if the weaker attributes can be improved.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

DH, I get that it’s easy to get drawn into frustrating back and forths with… let’s just say these circumstances! However I think you’ve let your frustration make you go to town on Joe Newell who is playing his best stuff for us this season.

That’s not to say none of your points are valid, but it’s not like you to turn it onto another player as one of the more positive posters and largely defensive of our boys 👍

I fully appreciate your frustration isn’t with JN 😁

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Thanks mate 👍 you are of course right just like " big nose " is regularly 😂 . Joe Newell is a exceptional player who I agree is playing some of his best stuff this season and it's unfair of me to be critical of him . I think all our Midfielders have a part to play over the course of the season and have all different attributes that will be needed in different games. Thanks for making me see sense 😁 . Cmon Newell, Campbell , Jeggo ......... GGTTH 🇳🇬

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Originally Posted by easty

You must be new to Hibs.net if you think Newell gets a pass on anything he does.

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There’s about four or five regular posters on here who would blame Campbell for stealing the sugar out their tea. You are one of them 😉

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Originally Posted by tonyrougier123

There’s about four or five regular posters on here who would blame Campbell for stealing the sugar out their tea. You are one of them 😉

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Now that you point it out, I've not had sugar in my tea for a good few years, and I don't ever remember actually asking for it to be removed...

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Originally Posted by easty

Now that you point it out, I've not had sugar in my tea for a good few years, and I don't ever remember actually asking for it to be removed...

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😂🤦*♂️👍🏻

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Originally Posted by tamig

I hope you’re not including me as one who’s said he isn’t good enough - or worse as some have said. I acknowledged his good points but said his decision making was poor and his technical ability wasn’t the best. I also said I hoped that coaching from the new guys would improve those weaknesses.

I understand why a lot of folk are saying he isn’t good enough but he does have good attributes and can be a valuable member of the squad if the weaker attributes can be improved.

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The number of players who have been called "not good enough" on this forum is incredible.

Newell, Campbell, JDH, Henderson, Jeggo, Doidge, ALF, Hanlon, Stevenson, Rocky, Fish, Marshall, Youan, Miller, Delferierre. I'll stop there, but you get my point. Nearly every Hibs player has been denigrated at one time or another.

"Shouldn't be near the first team", "Not good enough", "I'll drive him there", "Only good when he wants to be" etc etc . All those remarks are made through ignorance and most of the people making them have only, at best, a superficial understanding of football and what it takes to shape a team.

Someone added "Lazy" to the term ignorant. I agree with that. That's my opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion, true. Just as I'm entitled to mine.

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Truth be told you say one thing but totally contradict yourself then ! Campbell is a totally different type of midfielder from Newell and Allan yet you repeatedly try and make comparisons while saying it would be SILLY too :dunno: .. You'll be trying to make a comparison with Jeggo and Campbell next probably ��

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I'm saying it's silly to compare them because Scotty was miles better, not because they're different players. So no, I'm not contradicting myself. Nice try though.

Passing is a ****ing universal skill. Doesn't matter what position or role a player plays. Joe Newell is a good passer. Controls the ball well. Creates chances. Campbell does not.

His goals, need to be worth his various deficiencies. They current are not.