Sportsound on Saturday were saying the players held a meeting to discuss JR.
Doesn't look good when he's just in the door. Probably working on a mutually agreeable exit already.
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Sportsound on Saturday were saying the players held a meeting to discuss JR.
Doesn't look good when he's just in the door. Probably working on a mutually agreeable exit already.
Stoke sack Michael O’Neill.
Would be big favourite for the Dundee United job if Jack Ross goes .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Hope not. Also doubt they could afford himQuote:
Originally Posted by Green forever
I’m not saying you’re wrong and dare say it’s irrelevant now as it was so long ago but did he not leave Dundee Utd on bad terms?Quote:
Originally Posted by Green forever
I always thought there was some bad blood there.
Stock was so high when he took this job too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Doesnt say alot for the players that. Bit of a shocker imoQuote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Alternatively it doesn’t say much for Jack Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
His results have been disastrous. If the players are sitting there wondering wtf he’s doing then I don’t think it’s out of the question for them to raise that issue, much like it wouldn’t be out the question in any other line of work.
Dundee Utd should sack Ross now and bring in O'Neill imo if they want a shot at european football next season.
Think it was personal thing between him and Jim McLean.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Not sure if he'd jump at a job in the SPL as quickly as this anyway bearing in mind the money he's been earning in the past few years.
No. Dundee United should stick with Jack Ross and enhance our chances of qualifying for Europe.🙂Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesHFC
Indeed 🖒Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Jim McLean didn't like anyone, including Jim McLean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shrekko
30 years ago, I think an bad blood has long since ceased to matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Players are having private meetings after what two poor results absolutely ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
Its not just the multiple bad results though. Its what is going on in training too.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
What do you suppose is going on?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Don't imagine Jack's coaching experience or methods would be too unworkable at a team like Dundee Utd.
Absolutely bizarre.
5 poor results really to varying degrees with some being absolutely abysmal. They’ve invested heavily and every one of their results other than the home tie v Alkmaar has been poor with their performances often being worse than the actual result.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
If I’m a player and I’m being hung out to dry by a manager who’s methods and tactics make absolutely no sense than you can guarantee I’m not carrying the can either. Their players will generally have played under more than enough managers to know what to expect from a manager so if they’re revolting after 5 or 6 games then I think it’s safe to say they probably have a reason to do so.
Irrespective of where the blame lies, the fact that players are ‘rebelling’ to the extent of having meetings, it is the end of the road for Jack Ross. A lost dressing room is irretrievable.
Their meeting was reported after Hearts game so hardly after 5 or 6 poor results . Talk about abdicating responsibility. Whether you like him or not Ross is a decent experienced managerQuote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
What at the expense if us getting to Europe??Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesHFC
Jack Ross just got the vote of confidence kiss of death...
Didn’t realise it was after the Hearts game. Even then, the following results have hardly proven the players wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Is he a decent manager? This is the 3rd post in a row he’s probably about to get binned from. He failed at Sunderland, done an alright job here and has had an absolute shocker so far at DU to the point there’s talk of him being binned before the end of August. He took over Alloa in December, 3 points from safety and got them relegated by 10 points without ever getting them off the bottom of the table. He also has a habit of bottling it on the big stage at Sunderland, Hibs and now Dundee United and plays a crap brand of football.
The only job he was a real unarguable success at was St Mirren and that was over 4 years ago in the lower leagues playing against a mix of part time and full time teams. The reputation he seems to have gotten himself doesn’t tie in with his managerial record imo. A manager who more often than not doesn’t do enough with the odd sporadic bit of success thrown in.
I'm not sure if anyone has listened to the Brad Friedel edition of the Sacked in The Morning podcast.
He talks about how if you have anybody working against you from within the club then you are a dead man walking from very early days. When managing New England he tried to bring in the very basic standards that are expected in the EPL. Whilst some were probably a big change such as being weighed, body fat tested and hydration tested every morning (which was sorely needed considering he said he had players walking about at 10% body fat and one as high as 24% and the canteen was full of Pepsi and Cheetos with no fresh fruit or veg to be seen). Some of the others were just base level standards. No bare feet in the physio room, everyone wears the same clothes to games, no phones in the dressing room etc etc. Within days a group of senior players were rebelling against it, stating they had the right to wear what they like or not wear flip flops if they didn't want to. When he went looking for back up from his physio, nutritionist and so on he got it to his face. In reality they were allowing players to break the rule and worse actively encouraging them in their rebellion.
If Ross has players having meetings to sort issues after 4 or 5 games then he's done. It seems a bit like Stubbs at St Mirren, ironically when he replaced Ross. He went in and ****ed off a few senior players, most notably Stephen McGinn, and they simply downed tools and wouldn't play for him. There were other reasons of course but as soon as he lost the most experienced voices in that dressing room he was never succeeding. He was sacked by September. Ross might do a bit better that but by a couple of months if he's lucky.
Alex Neil has permission to talk to Stoke City
Sunderland will be gutted to lose him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee
Lost 1 game in his 19 in charge of them.
I'd always look on Sunderland as a much bigger club than Stoke
Seems a weird one all round, that situation
Must be paying top dollar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Exactly what I thought - if I were a Sunderland fan I'd be asking why a coach was leaving for a club like Stoke City...Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
I had to double take when I seen that story, shirley Stoke is a step down from Sunderland? I know Sunderland have just come into the division but they're a bigger club and must have better finances, it has been 4 years since Stoke were in the EPL and look to have become a mid-table championship club.Quote:
Originally Posted by 04Sauzee