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No democratic process has been broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It might be you don't like how the coalition has come about, but no rules have been broken, and that is a fact.
You can either continue to moan and complain about it or hope it works out and support the people now in positions of authority.
This. I’m a member of the Labour Party and I have to say that I’m not exactly happy that the party have made this deal with the Tories (I don’t mind it with the Lib Dems). I’m willing to see how it goes though in the hope the mess Edinburgh finds itself in is improved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
They really need to codify the principle that the party with the most seats gets first refusal at trying to form either a coalition or a minority administration though. That should have been done when STV was introduced.
Not unsubstantiated…fact was the SNP MPs crossed the floor and sided with the Tories in a vote of no confidence against Callaghan which resulted in a general election which Thatcher won. Before you start, I am fully aware that Labour and Liberal MPs also crossed the floor. However without the 11 SNPs the Tories would not have had a majority to force said election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Perhaps there has been no process which has been broken, but what about the principle? Do you think those who voted Labour - on a promise that Labour would not enter into coalition with anyone - would ever wish to see their vote used to give power to the Tories?Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Also, what is your hope for success based on? Which policy areas do you think the Tories and Labour will ever agree on?
Thanks for confirming my impression that Labour supporter would not be happy with this..Quote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
I'm intrigued, what action / policy / principle of the Tories gives you hope that their involvement in running Edinburgh will improve things? Presumably if you thought having the Tories run the city you would have voted for them in the first place?
It's not really based on anything to be honest, I'm not saying they'll be a success, I'm simply saying I hope they are as it will benefit the people of Edinburgh. Surely, ultimately that is what the end aim should be?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
There are people who would genuinely rather see it fail so they can shout 'Tory Bad!, Labour Bad!". They might not outwardly admit it but they are so engrossed in Tory hating and independence supporting they'd prefer that to it being a success.
I hope you're right. We all hope for better times ahead - we're Hibs fans after all - but I can't see that having the Tories involved in running Edinburgh augurs well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
The Tories are not running Edinburgh council though, they are part of a 3 party coalition.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I'm not fussed at local level what coalitions are formed, what's important is improving services. If they all stopped the political point scoring and worked together to do the jobs they are actually elected to do, I'm sure they would achieve much more. Agree with your point about the current system needing reformed.Quote:
Originally Posted by overdrive
A vote of no confidence which won by 1 vote. Note that the SNP were 11 Liberal Democrats 13 as well as the Northern Ireland unionist parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Let's not kid ourselves that a minority government stood a chance of winning a vote of no confidence after the Labour Party scuppered the first devolution vote.
Tut tut. This is NOT a coalition. [emoji849]Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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And we're back to the political point scoring again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I wish the new Labour, Lib Dem, Tory ‘not a coalition’ well. I have to live here after all. It’s ok to be a little concerned that this ‘not a coalition’ looks a little bit shaky at the outset and feel a little disappointed that a more stable actual coalition couldn’t have been formed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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The SNP and Greens have 29 seats, the non coalition of Labour/LD/Tory's have 34 seats. So if anything the SNP/Greens one would have been even more shaky and unstable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It was. Labour will now carry the can for Edinburgh's woes. They're in charge. Let's hope they are few and far between.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Really…. your memory must be slipping, I recall the distain for the Tartan Tories for their behaviour and if I believe 9 lost their seats at the election..but you can dress it up as SNP goooooood as much as you wantQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I was more thinking an SNP/Labour/Green coalition.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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You can play the numbers game all you like with this, but to say 11 is bigger than 13 is a new labour low. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Back to school for you. 📚
If only Callaghan had allowed his labour MP, Sir Alfred Broughton to travel and vote from his ambulance in speakers court, he'd have won the vote. Broughton wanted to vote, but Callaghan wouldn't let him. Broughton died shortly after on April 2nd
Or if the pairing of Bernard Weatherill had stood, instead of the labour whip allowing him to vote, Callaghan would have survived.
Too many labour peeps wanting to pin it on the dastardly SNP, instead of looking at their own house first.
All this before you even have a look at the Ulster unionists and the pipeline to Ireland.
I suspect a number of the SNP councillors are also quite upset at losing the extra money that comes with the positions of power. Adam McVey for example has gone from nearly £60K a year to about £20K a year, that's going to hurt.
Deflect deflect …. Not the SNP … look over there it’s all their fault….I also mentioned on my original response about Labour and liberal MPs crossing the chamber along with the Tartan ToriesQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Oh god, not this again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Should the SNP have voted with the Tories? - No, obviously not. It was essentially a temper tantrum over the devo betrayal.
Did it make any difference given Lab had 4 months left to call an election? No, **** all difference, Thatch was coming anyway.
Hope that helps.
I was originally responding to MY who raised the subject suggesting the incident was unsubstantiated…when it’s actually a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I never said it wasn't the SNP, however they weren't alone. If only Callaghan was a sharper mover and shaker we wouldnt have got the red Tories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Count from 1 to 13, and see if you pass 11. 😂😂
If I was now part of running EC the first thing I would do is fix the absolute shambolic mess the SNP lead council have the roads in. Get that sorted first and they will hopefully get some goodwill from residents of the city.
That's what I remember. Had Labour not derailed the devolution vote with the 40% amendment from the right honourable member for Islington then the SNP MPs would probably have voted with Labour or abstained.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Labour, reap what you sow.
It's only a fact if you ignore the fact Labour scuppered the devolution vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Reap what you sow.
Agreed, I know roadworks aren't technically ALL the council's fault but there doesn't appear to be any wider co-ordination to prevent diversions etc also being hit with roadworks :-(Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Says every council tax payer in every city in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
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TBH I don't think much will change with roads policy in that the best way to solve congestion in Edinburgh is reducing the number of cars on the road. I think there'll be continuing emphasis on active travel/public transport and introduction of an LEZ/other traffic deterring measures,Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
It's already been shown earlier on this thread that Edinburgh's roads are amongst the worst in the UK and have been for years. I don't know why you can't bring yourself to admit it has been a massive failure of the SNP lead council.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby