SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Originally Posted by Skol

I am really surprised at that view if I am honest and I really don’t see it. Key to note I am not on the Tory side and also I don’t view myself as a unionist, albeit I do believe remaining in the UK is best for Scotland overall.

I don’t think the snp are doing as well as they could to improve the Scottish economy based on the powers they have.
I have long said that the best way to make the case for independence is to make a success of devolution and win over people like me rather than try to put a huge divide down the middle by making us out to be some kind of anti Scotland people.

I still maintain that we all want the best for Scotland but just see things differently in how we achieve that.

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:top marksExcellent post. I don't see myself as a unionist either but everyone's got to have a label these days apparently.

I really wish more SNP supporters could be more tolerant of those of us with different views. The ones that think they are somehow 'more Scottish', whatever that means, are the worst!!

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

:top marksExcellent post. I don't see myself as a unionist either but everyone's got to have a label these days apparently.

I really wish more SNP supporters could be more tolerant of those of us with different views. The ones that think they are somehow 'more Scottish', whatever that means, are the worst!!

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Excellent post. I don't see myself as nationalist either, but everyone's got to have a label these days apparently.
I really wish 'unionist' supporters could be more tolerant of those of us with different views. The ones that think they're 'more British', whatever that means, are the worst!!

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

:top marksExcellent post. I don't see myself as a unionist either but everyone's got to have a label these days apparently.

I really wish more SNP supporters could be more tolerant of those of us with different views. The ones that think they are somehow 'more Scottish', whatever that means, are the worst!!

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What word would you like? "Person who thinks the best current constitutional position for Scotland is subsumed within the UK without necessarily having an existential attachment to that state", is a bit of a mouthful, tbh. :wink:

Completely acknowledge there are Persons-who-think-the-best-...etc who are considerably more Scottish than I am (whatever that means). One older relative of my wife opposed Indy on the basis "we couldn't defend ourselves". I asked him who he thought would want to attack us. "The bloody English of course" was his immediate, and seemingly serious, reply.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Excellent post. I don't see myself as nationalist either, but everyone's got to have a label these days apparently.
I really wish 'unionist' supporters could be more tolerant of those of us with different views. The ones that think they're 'more British', whatever that means, are the worst!!

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See this is what I mean!! What is your post really about, other than a dig at me?

I like what you post usually. I generally don't agree with it, but I have never posted anything trying to belittle you or put you down.

Why not just exchange messages with me and discuss things? We don't need to argue just because we see things differently.

Ok, a peace smiley at the end is appreciated, but I think you see the point I make.

I don't just mean you btw.

Just read the general tone from Indy supporters when they post things replying to me in comparison to my posts to them. There's always a dig or a bit of smarm in there directed at me instead of just discussing the point. There's really no need for it.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

See this is what I mean!! What is your post really about, other than a dig at me?

I like what you post usually. I generally don't agree with it, but I have never posted anything trying to belittle you or put you down.

Why not just exchange messages with me and discuss things? We don't need to argue just because we see things differently.

Ok, a peace smiley at the end is appreciated, but I think you see the point I make.

I don't just mean you btw.

Just read the general tone from Indy supporters when they post things replying to me in comparison to my posts to them. There's always a dig or a bit of smarm in there directed at me instead of just discussing the point. There's really no need for it.

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Take a chill mate. I was only joshing. 😂

Sorry if I've offended your Britishness.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

What word would you like? "Person who thinks the best current constitutional position for Scotland is subsumed within the UK without necessarily having an existential attachment to that state", is a bit of a mouthful, tbh. :wink:

Completely acknowledge there are Persons-who-think-the-best-...etc who are considerably more Scottish than I am (whatever that means). One older relative of my wife opposed Indy on the basis "we couldn't defend ourselves". I asked him who he thought would want to attack us. "The bloody English of course" was his immediate, and seemingly serious, reply.

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I don't know. Why do you need to label me as anything??

I'm just a Scottish person just think we're better off staying part of the UK.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I don't know. Why do you need to label me as anything??

I'm just a Scottish person just think we're better off staying part of the UK.

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Still too much typing, tbh. How can the discussion refer to supporters of one side or the other without naming them? If you think we're better off in the UK, you support the Union; ergo, you're a Unionist. Why is that a problem? :dunno:

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I don't know. Why do you need to label me as anything??

I'm just a Scottish person just think we're better off staying part of the UK.

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Anti separation?

Anti democratic voice?

Blackford dismisses quit rumours:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-60692922

I'd love to see the back of that gasbag (one of the few folk you're actually disappointed to hear is a Hibby) tho I do agree with him that there are more important things to focus on than independence right now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-60692922

One bit of good news. I’d miss the horrible slob if he quit . :greengrin

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Still too much typing, tbh. How can the discussion refer to supporters of one side or the other without naming them? If you think we're better off in the UK, you support the Union; ergo, you're a Unionist. Why is that a problem? :dunno:

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There's a big difference between independence supporters and so-called 'supporters' of the union. With the exception of the more partisan Rangers fans most of those who voted no don't actively 'support' the union in the sense that they take to the streets waving union jacks to counter nationalist marches. They are simply content to be British, having always been so. A lot of independence supporters seem to come at it from a 'how can you possibly not feel the same way as us?' angle and are unable to grasp that for many it's simply not an issue that unduly bothers them. You can be a proud Scot without being anti-British.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

There's a big difference between independence supporters and so-called 'supporters' of the union. With the exception of the more partisan Rangers fans most of those who voted no don't actively 'support' the union in the sense that they take to the streets waving union jacks to counter nationalist marches. They are simply content to be British, having always been so. A lot of independence supporters seem to come at it from a 'how can you possibly not feel the same way as us?' angle and are unable to grasp that for many it's simply not an issue that unduly bothers them. You can be a proud Scot without being anti-British.

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You can also support indy without being a proud Scot. I don't think it's anything in particular to be proud of, tbh. It would just be another small European country if it functioned normally.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens;6886202[B

]Still too much typing,[/B] tbh. How can the discussion refer to supporters of one side or the other without naming them? If you think we're better off in the UK, you support the Union; ergo, you're a Unionist. Why is that a problem? :dunno:

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Fair do's!!

He's Here has answered for me:aok:

Let's hope Ian Blackford has a thicker skin than some on here. A gasbag, and horrible slob.

Poor Ian.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

There's a big difference between independence supporters and so-called 'supporters' of the union. With the exception of the more partisan Rangers fans most of those who voted no don't actively 'support' the union in the sense that they take to the streets waving union jacks to counter nationalist marches. They are simply content to be British, having always been so. A lot of independence supporters seem to come at it from a 'how can you possibly not feel the same way as us?' angle and are unable to grasp that for many it's simply not an issue that unduly bothers them. You can be a proud Scot without being anti-British.

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I'm sure I saw a major march down the Royal mile with banners, union flags, and bands in 2014. It was possibly the local labour party meeting going home though.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I'm just a Scottish person just think we're better off staying part of the UK.

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Can I ask why you think we're better off staying part of the UK?
Do you mean economically better off, or just better off in general?
What is it about being part of the UK that you enjoy, please?

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Originally Posted by grunt

Can I ask why you think we're better off staying part of the UK?
Do you mean economically better off, or just better off in general?
What is it about being part of the UK that you enjoy, please?

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In a very general, sweeping-statement kinda way, I don't think things are nearly as bad in the UK as a lot of you on here do.

I'll leave it there if that's ok, nothing to be gained by expanding on that!!

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Let's hope Ian Blackford has a thicker skin than some on here. A gasbag, and horrible slob.

Poor Ian.

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:na na:

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

In a very general, sweeping-statement kinda way, I don't think things are nearly as bad in the UK as a lot of you on here do. I'll leave it there if that's ok, nothing to be gained by expanding on that!!

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Thanks for replying. I hope you're right about the UK but I fear the direction of travel under this Johnson administration. We're becoming something very un-British, IMO.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

Let's hope Ian Blackford has a thicker skin than some on here. A gasbag, and horrible slob.

Poor Ian.

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Poor Ian my a***.

I have the misfortune to know the cretin through the Hibs 50 club as we were both members.

The 50 club used to have an annual dinner dance at some posh hotel, usually the Caley.

We we were expecting Blackford and his partner to be at our table but he didn’t show on the night and a friend and fellow member at the table told me Blackford had phoned him and asked him to get him two tickets for the night so he’d be after him for the ticket costs of about £140.

Next time I saw my friend he told me Blackford had refused to pay saying he wasn’t there and anyway my friend couldn’t prove he had asked him to get him tickets. My friend is a long standing Scot Nat who was in the party long before Blackford joined.

That’s the measure of the man, bump his fellow club members.

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Poor Ian my a***.

I have the misfortune to know the cretin through the Hibs 50 club as we were both members.

The 50 club used to have an annual dinner dance at some posh hotel, usually the Caley.

We we were expecting Blackford and his partner to be at our table but he didn’t show on the night and a friend and fellow member at the table told me Blackford had phoned him and asked him to get him two tickets for the night so he’d be after him for the ticket costs of about £140.

Next time I saw my friend he told me Blackford had refused to pay saying he wasn’t there and anyway my friend couldn’t prove he had asked him to get him tickets. My friend is a long standing Scot Nat who was in the party long before Blackford joined.

That’s the measure of the man, bump his fellow club members.

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I knew the prick when he lived in Muirhouse…to good to go to Craigroyston …his parents pulled strings to get him to the Royal High School.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

I knew the prick when he lived in Muirhouse…to good to go to Craigroyston …his parents pulled strings to get him to the Royal High School.

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Absolutely despicable. I don’t know how he sleeps at night.


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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

:top marksExcellent post. I don't see myself as a unionist either but everyone's got to have a label these days apparently.

I really wish more SNP supporters could be more tolerant of those of us with different views. The ones that think they are somehow 'more Scottish', whatever that means, are the worst!!

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I’ve always just thought a Unionist was someone who wants to stay part of the Union, and never knew it was offensive in any way whatsoever.. other than to those who don’t actually like the Union. If you don’t like the term, I’m more than happy not to use it towards you or anyone else 👍

As for the last paragraph about people thinking they are ‘more Scottish’ I genuinely don’t know anyone like that. I don’t think there are any on here that I’m aware of either. It’s another one of those that I hear people from the other side talk about, like referencing braveheart or hating England, but doesn’t actually ring true amongst any Indy supporters in my experience. Maybe you know some personally in which case, I agree, they’re not helpful.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

I knew the prick when he lived in Muirhouse…to good to go to Craigroyston …his parents pulled strings to get him to the Royal High School.

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A child being sent to private school isn’t really their fault or issue though is it? And, while I’m no advocate of private education against state schools; maybe, just maybe, his folks had the money and believed this would give him the best chance for him to get to where he is today in his career.

I don’t know the guy personally, but I have learned during life not to be prejudice towards someone just because they went to a ‘posh schuil’ 😁

As for greenginger’s tale on him.. I hope posters will forgive me for being hesitant in believing every detail.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

A child being sent to private school isn’t really their fault or issue though is it? And, while I’m no advocate of private education against state schools; maybe, just maybe, his folks had the money and believed this would give him the best chance for him to get to where he is today in his career.

I don’t know the guy personally, but I have learned during life not to be prejudice towards someone just because they went to a ‘posh schuil’ 😁

As for greenginger’s tale on him.. I hope posters will forgive me for being hesitant in believing every detail.

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Royal High school was not a private school…just considered a better state school but due to some parental clout he did not have to attend the local school for his catchment area.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Royal High school was not a private school…just considered a better state school but due to some parental clout he did not have to attend the local school for his catchment area.

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Ah sorry, my mistake. I assumed royal high was private.

Maintain my point though.

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

Royal High school was not a private school…just considered a better state school but due to some parental clout he did not have to attend the local school for his catchment area.

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I coach youth footy and I have loads of kids from Craigroyston catchment and none of them actually go there. Downright evil.

I know of a polish family in West Pilton who sent the kids to the Gaelic school at Broughton because the catchment if you went there is Boroughmuir.


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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Ah sorry, my mistake. I assumed royal high was private.

Maintain my point though.

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Had this been DRoss or some of his lot you would be screaming it is a scandal …

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

Ah sorry, my mistake. I assumed royal high was private.

Maintain my point though.

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It was a long time ago, bit before Blackford though, early 70s I think.