Under Ron the Club is growing

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I heard M Stewart on Saturday and agree he’s generally decent. However, on Saturday he called out Sky for only covering Celtic/Huns away games.

It was a bit hypocritical in my view. Last Thursday BBC Scotland opted to pick Celtic v Raith over Dundee Utd v hibs, Saturday the live game was Dundee v Rangers as opposed to Hearts v Livi, and Sunday it was Celtic v Dundee Utd over Hibs v St Johnstone.

The BBC are every bit as bad as Sky when favouring Glasgow clubs over the rest of Scottish football but Mikey Stewart conveniently doesn’t mention that.

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Thought Sunday's televised game was St Mirren v Aberdeen?

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Originally Posted by evy

Thought Sunday's televised game was St Mirren v Aberdeen?

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It was but Michael Stewarts general comment is that our game will never grow as Sky continually cover all Celtic/Huns away games and since Sky are only permitted to visit a stadium 4 times a season, it limits their coverage of other games.

If Sky go to ER 4 times a season for 2 derbies and a Celtic & Rangers game, it means that Sky can't cover Hibs V Dons, Hibs v Dundee utd etc. So Sky viewers only ever getting to see Celtic V Rangers most weekends.

I should add that this was in the context that Ron Gordon wants to grow the game in Scotland (as well as growing Hibs). Mikey Stewarts point was that it will never grow whilst it is truncated to rest of world only seeing the ugly sisters post weeks.

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

It was but Michael Stewarts general comment is that our game will never grow as Sky continually cover all Celtic/Huns away games and since Sky are only permitted to visit a stadium 4 times a season, it limits their coverage of other games.

If Sky go to ER 4 times a season for 2 derbies and a Celtic & Rangers game, it means that Sky can't cover Hibs V Dons, Hibs v Dundee utd etc. So Sky viewers only ever getting to see Celtic V Rangers most weekends.

I should add that this was in the context that Ron Gordon wants to grow the game in Scotland (as well as growing Hibs). Mikey Stewarts point was that it will never grow whilst it is truncated to rest of world only seeing the ugly sisters post weeks.

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Ah okay, got you! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

It was but Michael Stewarts general comment is that our game will never grow as Sky continually cover all Celtic/Huns away games and since Sky are only permitted to visit a stadium 4 times a season, it limits their coverage of other games.

If Sky go to ER 4 times a season for 2 derbies and a Celtic & Rangers game, it means that Sky can't cover Hibs V Dons, Hibs v Dundee utd etc. So Sky viewers only ever getting to see Celtic V Rangers most weekends.

I should add that this was in the context that Ron Gordon wants to grow the game in Scotland (as well as growing Hibs). Mikey Stewarts point was that it will never grow whilst it is truncated to rest of world only seeing the ugly sisters post weeks.

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I thought Stewart spoke well about that. It is absolutely ridiculous that the The Thes and Celtc fans can pretty much watch every away game on TV. I agreed with his thinking that, particularly late in the season, games should be chosen that will promote the product. I think Ron is going at this from a USA perspective where they try and grow the sport not focus on growing the best sides and indeed their whole recruitment of new players is done so that there is some equalisation to the playing squads which means different winners and more interest.

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Originally Posted by wookie70

I thought Stewart spoke well about that. It is absolutely ridiculous that the The Thes and Celtc fans can pretty much watch every away game on TV. I agreed with his thinking that, particularly late in the season, games should be chosen that will promote the product. I think Ron is going at this from a USA perspective where they try and grow the sport not focus on growing the best sides and indeed their whole recruitment of new players is done so that there is some equalisation to the playing squads which means different winners and more interest.

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Yes, exactly this. Just look at the NFL, it is a totally socialist league model they have so it will always be competitive.

How the TV games are picked is very interesting too with CBS generally showing AFC away games, FOX NFC away games with these networks showing the national big game late on Sunday, with NBC and ESPN able to choose the games of the week essentially and then NBC able to flex their choice to a better game depending on scenarios.

The league has a model that guarantees it will remain competitive, whilst the TV deals fund it, the TV companies have the choice of games to show.

In Scotland everything remains fixed and can't be changed, not least by the absurd 11-1 voting model.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Yes, exactly this. Just look at the NFL, it is a totally socialist league model they have so it will always be competitive.

How the TV games are picked is very interesting too with CBS generally showing AFC away games, FOX NFC away games with these networks showing the national big game late on Sunday, with NBC and ESPN able to choose the games of the week essentially and then NBC able to flex their choice to a better game depending on scenarios.

The league has a model that guarantees it will remain competitive, whilst the TV deals fund it, the TV companies have the choice of games to show.

In Scotland everything remains fixed and can't be changed, not least by the absurd 11-1 voting model.

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From what I remember that 11-1 rule could have changed but Aberdeen voted against as they happened to be in second place at the time. So we had 10 clubs out of 12 wanting change and because of a ridiculous rule brought in solely, imo, to safeguard the interest of the Uglies the vote was lost. I'm old fashioned so I do like that we have so many teams with such rich history. However, you only have to look at how some junior clubs have grown to know that in time this will change and getting a model where clubs that are trying to increase support and improve have a good chance and being rewarded. The one thing I think America has wrong is the closed shop but in some ways that is why they can vote for the good of the game as they are safe in the knowledge they are in the exclusive club and will benefit equally with other franchises. I think there have been some additions to the NFL over the years so there is some flexibility but I would want a bit more opportunity for teams outside the chosen few(if that is where this is heading)

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Originally Posted by wookie70

I thought Stewart spoke well about that. It is absolutely ridiculous that the The Thes and Celtc fans can pretty much watch every away game on TV. I agreed with his thinking that, particularly late in the season, games should be chosen that will promote the product. I think Ron is going at this from a USA perspective where they try and grow the sport not focus on growing the best sides and indeed their whole recruitment of new players is done so that there is some equalisation to the playing squads which means different winners and more interest.

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It is ridiculous because it promotes only two teams and also probably more importantly is likely to reduce the actual crowd at the game which will impact the home club. If Rangers and Celtic home games were shown more their crowds would go down also.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

That's a fair point, I think I saw someone else mention BBC stating they have to remain impartial on five live. Mark Chapman is always saying they have to remain impartial when he's on five live before they discuss something or head somewhere.

Why is that not the case on BBC Radio Scotland? I heard Richard Gordon say something which was a clear breach of impartiality. And then you have their favourites always discussing the Old Firm. It needs to change.

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They have to be politically impartial. Impartiality rules don’t apply to football teams.

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Originally Posted by matty_f

They have to be politically impartial. Impartiality rules don’t apply to football teams.

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Surely impartiality rules apply to everything for the BBC. Can't see it applying to one thing and not the other tbh.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Surely impartiality rules apply to everything for the BBC. Can't see it applying to one thing and not the other tbh.

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Why?

If Scotland are playing Russia in a qualifier, you want our commentators and pundits to remain impartial? Why not just bring in some Russian dudes to do the job alongside just to make everything even?!

Bollocks to that.

What’s wrong with Richard Gordon bigging up his team a bit, he’s a football fan. I’d far rather that than a grey suit who just talked cliches to try and avoid offending anyone.

We’re adults. Surely we can all cope with hearing things about other clubs without greeting our eyes out?

I know there’s a few on here that get really upset by Sportsound on a weekly basis but the vast majority of us get by just fine.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Why?

If Scotland are playing Russia in a qualifier, you want our commentators and pundits to remain impartial? Why not just bring in some Russian dudes to do the job alongside just to make everything even?!

Bollocks to that.

What’s wrong with Richard Gordon bigging up his team a bit, he’s a football fan. I’d far rather that than a grey suit who just talked cliches to try and avoid offending anyone.

We’re adults. Surely we can all cope with hearing things about other clubs without greeting our eyes out?

I know there’s a few on here that get really upset by Sportsound on a weekly basis but the vast majority of us get by just fine.

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BBC Radio Five Live manage to do it just fine.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Why?

If Scotland are playing Russia in a qualifier, you want our commentators and pundits to remain impartial? Why not just bring in some Russian dudes to do the job alongside just to make everything even?!

Bollocks to that.

What’s wrong with Richard Gordon bigging up his team a bit, he’s a football fan. I’d far rather that than a grey suit who just talked cliches to try and avoid offending anyone.

We’re adults. Surely we can all cope with hearing things about other clubs without greeting our eyes out?

I know there’s a few on here that get really upset by Sportsound on a weekly basis but the vast majority of us get by just fine.

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Not a problem with pundits rooting for their club. It's when they do other clubs down, with no reason or for a reason they ignore when it's their club. They come across as petty and bias. Hard to juggle for some and its beyond the staff at Sportsound.

Using the National teams fixtures as an example is just strawman daft.

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