Scott Allan

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

I’ve read that one too, of course.

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In that case I’m puzzled by your take on what I said then.

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Originally Posted by jeffers

In that case I’m puzzled by your take on what I said then.

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I quoted what was said on here Jeffers and I thought big old D :greengrin had more than just your example if I’m honest.. Don’t think I can quote across the boards and I really only use the MB for posting anyway. Do you think Scott Allan is actively touting for a move then, hoping for a move?

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

I quoted what was said on here Jeffers and I thought big old D :greengrin had more than just your example if I’m honest.. Don’t think I can quote across the boards and I really only use the MB for posting anyway. Do you think Scott Allan is actively touting for a move then, hoping for a move?

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Fair enough.

I said I’d heard he was looking to move. Hope it doesn’t happen, but wouldn’t surprise me. He wants to play football, which is totally understandable after what he went through last year.

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Originally Posted by jeffers

Fair enough.

I said I’d heard he was looking to move. Hope it doesn’t happen, but wouldn’t surprise me. He wants to play football, which is totally understandable after what he went through last year.

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Well he is getting a bit of football now and after what he went through I’d be disappointed all round if he had to move.

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

Well he is getting a bit of football now and after what he went through I’d be disappointed all round if he had to move.

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So would I, but I’m not convinced it’s anywhere near enough for him, nor do I think he’s an impact sub.

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Originally Posted by jeffers

So would I, but I’m not convinced it’s anywhere near enough for him, nor do I think he’s an impact sub.

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Given his problem last year and now fighting his way back to some level of match fitness I’d think it’s about right.
Anyhoo, love him to bits and hope it’s here he stays.

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

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Originally Posted by 660

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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Goals and assists are what anyone with eyes sees in him. 10 goals 12 assists in his first season back which was cut short with covid. Is that crap aye?

Seriously, you've embarrassed yourself with that post.

What a backheel though. Still think he will be an impact sub.

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Originally Posted by Lewiehas2

Off the ball isn't just winning tackles. Scott's pressing was unbelievable on Saturday, constantly chasing down defenders and not giving their midfielders a minutes peace.

Up until the back heel, didn't think he contributed much on the ball (but we didn't necessarily play through him either), but to suggest he's like a man down isn't right, he worked his socks off.

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Funny I would describe his pressing as lacklustre. There was also a few challenges where he noticeable didn't fancy it. His back heel was very good and he played a couple of simple balls in good areas. He actually did better than he has in previous cameos so perhaps more game time will see improvements.

He is still miles off it and remember we were playing a team we were a good bit ahead of. In a game like a Derby he may well be completely anonymous, he could also be the difference. That is the conundrum with Allan. Not quite all or nothing but to me he would be nowhere near a start against Hearts. Hopefully we will have one or two more in to give us more options.

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Originally Posted by Tricla

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

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He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

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Originally Posted by Tricla

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. Some people almost willing the laddie away and others worried if he gets a run of games (due to the current injury situation) that'll it'll be to the detriment of the team.

We need to remember he's been through a hellish health scare and will take time to get back to his best. Look at Kyle Magennis. He was out for ages with injury and when he returned, loads on here said he wasn't good enough for Hibs. A good pre-season and a decent run in the team and he's now looking like one of the top midfielders in the league.

Scotty will need reintegrated slowly, more slowly than Kyle did. I guess nobody knows if he'll get back to the Scotty of old. However, I'm sure if the doctors and the coaches at Hibs didn't think there was a chance, or if playing him would be to the detriment of the team, then he wouldn't play. It's not like we're big a big enough club awash with cash who can have passengers like that.

I'm going to trust their judgement and support Scotty when he plays. I hope the silver lining to our current injury situation is that he does get a run of games and it kicks him on.

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I agree. What seems to have been missed is that Allan started our first competitive game this season. He was replaced for good tactical reasons followed Newell's red card. His replacement has blown everyone away.
Ross doesn't drop players who are doing the kind of job Magennis has been doing.
Allan's had a patchy start to the season as result.

I'm sure he'll make a significant contribution.

Some back heel on Saturday

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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse

Some back heel on Saturday

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Must have missed that.

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Originally Posted by flash

Must have missed that.

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Surprised noones mentioned it tbh.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

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Not sure I agree with that bit. It could take a run of 15 or more games to help him get the sharpness back he needs. He's missed a lot of football for reasons not many miss it for. He may also need that to dispel any psychological issues the type of ailment he had created. I can imagine having a heart issue may cause you to have some anxieties about exerting yourself until you know your body can handle it.

My main point was that some posters were basically saying he's a liability and he's done which I feel is unfair and we're not at a stage where we can say that yet.

Like I said, JR isn't going to put him in the team in any capacity if he doesn't think he can do a job. I'm quite happy to go along with what he and the medical staff at ER think.

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Originally Posted by Hibernian Verse

Some back heel on Saturday

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By who?

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Originally Posted by bingo70

He played half a season for Inverness after his heart condition and has just had a full pre-season where he got loads of game time.

This is as fit as Scott Allan is going to be. He’s not recovering from an injury just now, this is just him.

I’m definitely not writing him off, I think he’ll need to reinvent himself as a different type of player to the one he was before but right now I don’t think he’s there yet. That’s nothing to do with being integrated slowly back into the team though, he’s just going to be a different player to the one he was before I think.

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Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

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Originally Posted by 660

Allan could take a nap in the centre circle and the fans would give him a standing ovation. He’s been crap since he returned. I have no idea what people see in him.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sioux

Thanks for your expert medical opinion.

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I know you were trying to be a smart arse but I Don’t think I’ve provided a medical opinion? I also don’t think I’ve said anything particularly offensive there that warranted a response like yours.

Just to clarify, I’m not writing Scott Allan off, I think his game will change slightly as he appears to have lost his wee burst of pace that took him past players. I also think that since he was on loan to Inverness last season and then had a full pre-season with no serious injuries and getting plenty game time, he’s now fully fit.

If you disagree with all of that then that’s fine, that’s the point of this place.

Absolutely no need to be a dick about it though.

There’s been little or no reference to SA moving on, except for a few on here. If he wants away, I doubt he would have waited till the last minute to get his wish. I hope he’s still with us at midnight.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

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Scott Allan as he back heeled to help Martin Boyle get clear and put 2nd goal in .In fact if you see it again it might have been Martin that passed it him to make a 1-2 move

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Originally Posted by nlandsafchibee

Scott Allan as he back heeled to help Martin Boyle get clear and put 2nd goal in .In fact if you see it again it might have been Martin that passed it him to make a 1-2 move

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It was.


FWIW, Allan had been calling for the ball a number of times in dangerous positions and was starting to get a bit frustrated when nobody would pass to him.

Hopefully his part in the goal highlighted to his team mates how useful he can be in these situations.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

It was.


FWIW, Allan had been calling for the ball a number of times in dangerous positions and was starting to get a bit frustrated when nobody would pass to him.

Hopefully his part in the goal highlighted to his team mates how useful he can be in these situations.

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If this is the case, JR wants to have a word with his ‘team’ players, but I find it hard to believe that they would shun SA.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

It was.


FWIW, Allan had been calling for the ball a number of times in dangerous positions and was starting to get a bit frustrated when nobody would pass to him.

Hopefully his part in the goal highlighted to his team mates how useful he can be in these situations.

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I don't think SA is alone with that frustration - most weeks you can see Magennis, Boyle, Nisbet & others getting frustrated when they step off their markers looking for the ball into feet but the ball goes back or sideways. I don't know if they don't see it or it's a tactical thing but often they're in acres of space with a chance to lay off or turn.

To be honest, I can't remember any specific point on Saturday where I thought our players missed making an obvious pass to Allan.

Maybe he's used to everything going through him, but that's no longer going to happen.

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Originally Posted by RMQ1967

I don't think SA is alone with that frustration - most weeks you can see Magennis, Boyle, Nisbet & others getting frustrated when they step off their markers looking for the ball into feet but the ball goes back or sideways. I don't know if they don't see it or it's a tactical thing but often they're in acres of space with a chance to lay off or turn.

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I can’t say I have noticed that. :confused:

Seems almost certain we’ll only see him til Jan now… shame.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

To be honest, I can't remember any specific point on Saturday where I thought our players missed making an obvious pass to Allan.

Maybe he's used to everything going through him, but that's no longer going to happen.

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Mostly later in the game, when he was trying to position himself at the edge of the box.

For instance, shortly before the second goal, Allan had got in a really good position about ten yards from Boyle and called for the ball, only for Boyle to overhit a cross that went out for a throw in on the other side of the park.

Allan was practically having a wee stampy feet tantrum about it :greengrin

Hopefully this is a turning point for SA and he will see more game time.

Still think he has it in him to earn a new deal and I hope he does.