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01-06-2021, 11:13 PM
CJHibby

Don't get over it...get even with it! It's going to be a tough season coming up for JR and the boys with expectations lifted...:hibees
02-06-2021, 01:04 AM
Shrekko

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I guess this just comes down to perspective. You see us at the start of something, I see us having missed a genuine once in a lifetime chance.

I'll guess we'll see who is right next season.

I made it quite clear I also felt that we’d missed an opportunity we should have taken so not sure why you’re saying that.

I’m as gutted as anyone else - I bet there’s nobody more gutted. Just because I’m not throwing a tantrum demanding everyone gets sacked doesn’t mean my ‘perspective’ on what happened at Hampden is any different to yours.
02-06-2021, 06:17 AM
WhileTheChief..

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Originally Posted by northstandhibby

'Hibsed it' was unambiguously ended in 2016. Nothing else.

Hertzed it is now nearly 60 years since last winning the League Cup despite money laundering a Russian tycoons ill gotten gains and plundering the Lithuanian nations pension funds. A despicable record of failure from the Yams.

Ross got his tactics all wrong and the players looked as if they were playing in quicksand on Gullane beach.

A very bad day at the office but Hibs are of course for a lifetime of joy and torture not just for a one off final.

Mon the Cabbage.

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‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.
02-06-2021, 06:31 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

How many cups have the two clubs won in the past ten years?

How on earth does what happened 10 years ago have more bearing on games in the present than what happened this season?
02-06-2021, 07:27 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

Unfortunately this is true.
02-06-2021, 07:28 AM
marinello59

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

How on earth could something which is little more than poor banter hurt anyone? Surely most of us do laugh it off while giving out similar to others.
02-06-2021, 07:30 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You can’t expect instant success because of the big two, but equally it’s very, very rare that you’ll get such an opportunity to achieve success because of the big two. Will be a long, long time before they’re both out of both tournaments before we even get as far as Hampden.

Another team have taken that opportunity, at our expense, twice. I’m just really toiling to share the positivity about what we’re going to build on the back of this season. We’ll win something again at some point in the future but for all the talk of building, having good foundations etc I don’t see it being any time soon because I don’t think we’ll get the same level of opportunity. As I said earlier in the thread, I think we’ll be fine next season, not sure how much more than that though.

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I’m not in the mood to hear platitudes from Jack about how proud he is of the boys and how we did a good league campaign.

We had huge opportunities to win trophies and we blew them all.
02-06-2021, 07:40 AM
neil7908

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

I made it quite clear I also felt that we’d missed an opportunity we should have taken so not sure why you’re saying that.

I’m as gutted as anyone else - I bet there’s nobody more gutted. Just because I’m not throwing a tantrum demanding everyone gets sacked doesn’t mean my ‘perspective’ on what happened at Hampden is any different to yours.

Not sure why you left out the rest of my post given that was the majority of my point? I guess the difference from my reading your post is you feel we will continue on an upward trajectory, whereas I'm yet to be convinced that's the case. I've not followed Hibs as long as some on here but my dad has been supporting them for 50+ years and as another poster alluded to a bit earlier, mentioned to me that this was about the 20th "we're on the verge of success" that he's seen.

If anything, history shows its much more likely we'll see the first team dismantled and have to rebuild again. Personally I just can't let go of last season just yet and look to next year with the same optimism.

In terms of your last comment not sure if that's a dig or not as I don't think I've "thrown a tantrum" at any point, and don't want Ross sacked. I've just lost confidence in him and don't look forward to next season as things stand. I think he deserves a chance but also don't believe he will deliver us a trophy.
02-06-2021, 08:12 AM
superfurryhibby

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Originally Posted by marinello59

How on earth could something which is little more than poor banter hurt anyone? Surely most of us do laugh it off while giving out similar to others.

As clearly pointed out, it hurts because there's truth in it. Eight Hampden appearances since the cup win and one victory? That is a poor record by any standard, especially as only three of the games were against the Old Firm. We've lost to Hearts Aberdeen, St Johnstone (twice) and beaten Dundee Utd.

As for the not accepting mediocrity banter, which was ridiculed. One way fans show their disapproval/approval of the direction the team is going in is via season ticket sales. For a range of reasons, including our cup capitulations, I fear our sales will be down several thousand from last season. Win that cup and the mood would have been buoyant. I'm in that boat exactly myself. As it stands so are a few of my former season ticket holding buddies.
02-06-2021, 08:18 AM
northstandhibby

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

‘Hibsed it’ still gets mentioned in the media though. It hurts cause there’s some truth to it or we would simply laugh it off.

I don't have to laugh it off. It no longer resonates for me after 2016. That was the big huge massive proverbial monkey off the back.

For goodness sake anyone using the now defunct hibsed it only has to be reminded that we lifted the cup in what was a glorious victory and reminded of Brora Rangers, the penalties v Celtic, being relegated in the most shambolic way when a draw at St Mirren would have sufficed and of course 60 years without lifting the League Cup.

2016 destroyed hibsed it and it now means absolutely zilch in my opinion.

Being beaten by St Johnstone was down to poor management of tactics and player performances. Hibsed it no longer resonates with me after 2016, I'm surprised at others who continue to think its somehow still a thing.
02-06-2021, 08:55 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by northstandhibby

I don't have to laugh it off. It no longer resonates for me after 2016. That was the big huge massive proverbial monkey off the back.

For goodness sake anyone using the now defunct hibsed it only has to be reminded that we lifted the cup in what was a glorious victory and reminded of Brora Rangers, the penalties v Celtic, being relegated in the most shambolic way when a draw at St Mirren would have sufficed and of course 60 years without lifting the League Cup.

2016 destroyed hibsed it and it now means absolutely zilch in my opinion.

Being beaten by St Johnstone was down to poor management of tactics and player performances. Hibsed it no longer resonates with me after 2016, I'm surprised at others who continue to think its somehow still a thing.

Beautifully put. Almost poetic.
02-06-2021, 08:57 AM
Danderhall Hibs

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Originally Posted by marinello59

How on earth could something which is little more than poor banter hurt anyone? Surely most of us do laugh it off while giving out similar to others.

We have fans who perpetuate the Hibsd it stuff - we’ve had folk on here citing examples of how “Hearts wouldn’t have lost that one” despite there being examples of exactly that readily available.
02-06-2021, 09:09 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

We have fans who perpetuate the Hibsd it stuff - we’ve had folk on here citing examples of how “Hearts wouldn’t have lost that one” despite there being examples of exactly that readily available.

If Hibs and Hearts seasons were reversed then you could maybe say that we'd Hibsed it. Bottling penalties against a Celitc side in free fall. Knocked out the Scottish cup by part time Brora Rangers who'd only trained for a week after three months off, knocked out the other cup by part time Alloa Athletic, repeatedly losing to the likes of Queen of the South and Raith Rovers etc. If finishing 3rd, just missing our record points total, qualifying for Europe, a semi final and a final is Hibsing it then i hope we Hibs it every season.
02-06-2021, 09:17 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Since452

If Hibs and Hearts seasons were reversed then you could maybe say that we'd Hibsed it. Bottling penalties against a Celitc side in free fall. Knocked out the Scottish cup by part time Brora Rangers who'd only trained for a week after three months off, knocked out the other cup by part time Alloa Athletic, repeatedly losing to the likes of Queen of the South and Raith Rovers etc. If finishing 3rd, just missing our record points total, qualifying for Europe, a semi final and a final is Hibsing it then i hope we Hibs it every season.

Constantly repeating the fact that we finished third in the league isn’t going to persuade me that it’s ok we failed to bring home a trophy this season.

Competing for domestic silverware is literally the entire point. We came up short.
02-06-2021, 09:27 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Constantly repeating the fact that we finished third in the league isn’t going to persuade me that it’s ok we failed to bring home a trophy this season.

Competing for domestic silverware is literally the entire point. We came up short.

It shouldn't be ignored either though. We've won trophies more often than we've finished 3rd over the last 40 years so it's an achievement. We lost a final against a team that has our number. Similar to Chelsea and Man City. They finished further ahead of Chelsea than we did St Johnstone and still continually lose to them, even in a final. It happens.
02-06-2021, 09:33 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Since452

It shouldn't be ignored either though. We've won trophies more times than we've finished 3rd over the last 40 years so it's an achievement. We lost a final against a team that has our number. Similar to Chelsea and Man City. They finished further ahead of Chelsea than we did St Johnstone and comtinuly lose to them, even in a final. It happens.

Yes, obviously it happens. It happens far too often.

I’m not blind to the fact that our league campaign was helped enormously by an absence of Hearts and Aberdeen basically chucking it.

The best result of the season was probably that stuffy 1-0 win v the Dons to get third place in the bag. This is hardly vintage stuff.
02-06-2021, 09:35 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Yes, obviously it happens. It happens far too often.

I’m not blind to the fact that our league campaign was helped enormously by an absence of Hearts and Aberdeen basically chucking it.

The best result of the season was probably that stuffy 1-0 win v the Dons to get third place in the bag. This is hardly vintage stuff.

Hearts haven't been near us in the league for years so don't think them not being there made any difference
02-06-2021, 09:37 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by Since452

Hearts haven't been near us in the league for years so don't think them not being there made any difference

It would because they would have almost certainly taken more points off us.
02-06-2021, 09:38 AM
superfurryhibby

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Originally Posted by Since452

Hearts haven't been near us in the league for years so don't think them not being there made any difference

Apart from the fact that most seasons they routinely take more points from us than we do for them, they are an irrelevance.
02-06-2021, 10:11 AM
flash

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Yes, obviously it happens. It happens far too often.

I’m not blind to the fact that our league campaign was helped enormously by an absence of Hearts and Aberdeen basically chucking it.

The best result of the season was probably that stuffy 1-0 win v the Dons to get third place in the bag. This is hardly vintage stuff.

If only we actually earned our finishing position last season instead of it being everybody else's fault.
02-06-2021, 10:16 AM
Allez Hibs

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-address-cup-disappointment-as-jack-ross-credited-for-meeting-four-out-of-five-targets-3257847

Hibs sporting director Graeme Mathie has offered a stout defence of manager Jack Ross and the team that secured the club’s first top three finish in 16 years and challenged in the latter stages of the cup competitions.

What were the targets???
02-06-2021, 10:18 AM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-address-cup-disappointment-as-jack-ross-credited-for-meeting-four-out-of-five-targets-3257847

Hibs sporting director Graeme Mathie has offered a stout defence of manager Jack Ross and the team that secured the club’s first top three finish in 16 years and challenged in the latter stages of the cup competitions.

What were the targets???

Did you read the article?

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One, to have the team competing at the top end of the league, meaning European qualification, two, to bring in players who could add some value for the club, three, bring through young players from the academy and create value by developing them, then another thing was to play an attack-minded style. I know that has been questioned at times but if you look at the number of goals we have scored and chances we have created in games then we’ve played an attack-minded style.

That's 4 and the 5th would have been to win a cup.
02-06-2021, 10:19 AM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-address-cup-disappointment-as-jack-ross-credited-for-meeting-four-out-of-five-targets-3257847

Hibs sporting director Graeme Mathie has offered a stout defence of manager Jack Ross and the team that secured the club’s first top three finish in 16 years and challenged in the latter stages of the cup competitions.

What were the targets???

Win a cup
Reach a final
Reach a SC semi
Reach a LC semi
Finish top four

I'd imagine
02-06-2021, 10:22 AM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by Since452

Win a cup
Reach a final
Reach a SC semi
Reach a LC semi
Finish top four

I'd imagine

Maybe one of those....

“One, to have the team competing at the top end of the league, meaning European qualification, two, to bring in players who could add some value for the club, three, bring through young players from the academy and create value by developing them, then another thing was to play an attack-minded style. I know that has been questioned at times but if you look at the number of goals we have scored and chances we have created in games then we’ve played an attack-minded style.

Mathie thinks we play an attack minded style???
02-06-2021, 10:25 AM
superfurryhibby

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Originally Posted by flash

If only we actually earned our finishing position last season instead of it being everybody else's fault.

Has anyone really said that third place last season wasn't a worthy achievement?

Pointing out that this coming season is likely to be more challenging isn't undermining the improvement we saw in our league form. If people were saying we got third with one of the lowest points tallies of the past decade or so, then I could see your point.

As it stands most people seem to recognise that we earned the best of the rest last season, whilst acknowledging that the league will probably be more challenging for us this coming season. I think that's OK.
02-06-2021, 10:26 AM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Maybe one of those....

“One, to have the team competing at the top end of the league, meaning European qualification, two, to bring in players who could add some value for the club, three, bring through young players from the academy and create value by developing them, then another thing was to play an attack-minded style. I know that has been questioned at times but if you look at the number of goals we have scored and chances we have created in games then we’ve played an attack-minded style.

Mathie thinks we play an attack minded style???

The stats say we did.

It’s not what i saw personally but maybe just shows that either we are wrong or stats can be misleading.
02-06-2021, 10:26 AM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Has anyone really said that third place last season wasn't a worthy achievement?

Pointing out that this coming season is likely to be more challenging isn't undermining the improvement we saw in our league form. If people were saying we got third with one of the lowest points tallies of the past decade or so, then I could see your point.

As it stands most people seem to recognise that we earned the best of the rest last season, whilst acknowledging that the league will probably be more challenging for us this coming season. I think that's OK.

I agree with this.
02-06-2021, 10:27 AM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by bingo70

The stats say we did.

It’s not what i saw personally but maybe just shows that either we are wrong or stats can be misleading.

We must all be wrong then.
02-06-2021, 10:28 AM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

We must all be wrong then.

3rd top scorers in the league.
02-06-2021, 10:28 AM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Did you read the article?

That's 4 and the 5th would have been to win a cup.

It would be interesting to know the 5th one for sure.

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