Matt Macey

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Thank **** we are debating the pros and cons of a really decent keeper after a win and not back to the days of Zibi, Brown, Maka, Smith and Stack after a horrific defeat when the keepers were genuinely at fault :faf:

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What worries me is the pitchfork brigade seem to already have a bone to pick with a keeper who has literally done **** all wrong in any game yet and made some very decent saves, including today :faf: actually not funny.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

To me, you’re just highlighting most fans inability to differentiate between an obvious howler and a professional keeper that gets their positioning/footwork wrong.

A good keeper wouldn’t have lost the goals he did today, even if they weren’t obvious howlers.

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I think we go in depth on our goalies - like the years of trauma we had to suffer cause us to analyse every goal in detail starting with the goalie done wrong and working backwards.

Having said that Marciano seems to get off Scot free at times.

The goalkeeper’s union on here at each other’s throats

Some on here were defending Macey at Darkheid and now they want to hang him out to dry

Dearie me !

The most important thing is we are in the next round

GGTTH

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

What worries me is the pitchfork brigade seem to already have a bone to pick with a keeper who has literally done **** all wrong in any game yet and made some very decent saves, including today :faf: actually not funny.

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Bollah, seriously, I'm sitting with my glass of malbec in utter bemusement at the threads about Matt Macey - some have very very very poor memories of what we've seen before. And from what I've seen of him, he's been very very good. That's opinions though.........we all have one.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Bollah, seriously, I'm sitting with my glass of malbec in utter bemusement at the threads about Matt Macey - some have very very very poor memories of what we've seen before. And from what I've seen of him, he's been very very good. That's opinions though.........we all have one.

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Well I’m on the sauv blanc so I’ll raise one to you because I agree completely :greengrin. I think psychologically folk want individuals to blame increasingly year on year, often keepers, probably frustration about Covid etc and not being able to attend in person doesn’t help.

I’m not sure about him.

The first goal floated in but I’m not sure he could have done much. The second one he started to come, went back, then couldn’t do anything as a result.

Don’t think he’s the same class as Rocky. Rocky must play in the semi for me.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Thank **** we are debating the pros and cons of a really decent keeper after a win and not back to the days of Zibi, Brown, Maka, Smith and Stack after a horrific defeat when the keepers were genuinely at fault :faf:

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That list of names is truly minging seemed like we had a goalkeeper error in about 10 derbies back then

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I’m not sure about him.

The first goal floated in but I’m not sure he could have done much. The second one he started to come, went back, then couldn’t do anything as a result.

Don’t think he’s the same class as Rocky. Rocky must play in the semi for me.

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I'm comfortable with either being selected for the semi BHFC...........both are really good keepers. I'm just not seeing the 'errors' in Macey that others are - he's been really solid in the games he's played, made saves, not had howlers, and been part of winning sides.

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Originally Posted by Hiberniankb

That list of names is truly minging seemed like we had a goalkeeper error in about 10 derbies back then

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I remember bumping into Eddie Turnbull and when I asked him about Maka he said 'if it were me I'd have put Riordan in goals' :greengrin

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Not buying any of that.

The first is a total shank that somehow loops into the far corner...no keeper would be covering that eventuality.

The second was a huge looping cross that the defence had to deal with...he has to cover the post and area closest to the attacker as otherwise Watt just heads it straight in the near post. It was a great header, well placed under zero pressure.

Just not getting how anyone can blame the keeper for either of them or somehow be certain Rocky would have done anything different.

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I did not watch the game live tonight but followed the updates on hibs.net. I had assumed from the comments on the match thread that Macey was at fault with both goals.

Having now watched the highlights I cannot see how he's at fault with either goal. I agree 100% with your summary of each goal.

The first was a fluke and the 2nd was very poor defending.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

I'm comfortable with either being selected for the semi BHFC...........both are really good keepers. I'm just not seeing the 'errors' in Macey that others are - he's been really solid in the games he's played, made saves, not had howlers, and been part of winning sides.

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Hard to judge him either way for me. Not sure he’s really bad, yet to see he’s really good. As I say, I thought he caused a bit of indecision at the equaliser.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Me too.

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And me

I think his positioning for the second goal was suspect apart from that he didn't do much wrong. I like his distribution as he tries to play it out from the back more than Rocky. As said by someone else Macey or Rocky both good keepers.

I didn’t think he was at fault for either goal, made a great save with his feet to deny a certain goal, comfortable on cross balls.......he gets my vote.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

To me, you’re just highlighting most fans inability to differentiate between an obvious howler and a professional keeper that gets their positioning/footwork wrong.

A good keeper wouldn’t have lost the goals he did today, even if they weren’t obvious howlers.

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Must be amazing being a qualified coach, especially a goalkeeping coach as there aren't many, you must get loads of job offers with your knowledge

I'm comfortable with him. He has been a spectator for most if the other rounds yet made good saves when called upon. Sign of good focus. His save yesterday with his foot was at a crucial time. And he would have saved the pen that hit the post if it had been on target.

Courteous, Ter Stegen, Oblak, Neuer - they all make mistakes.

Macey has never let us down. Personally I felt more confident with Macey in goals yesterday, especially when the game went to penalties.

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Originally Posted by Lovethehibs

Must be amazing being a qualified coach, especially a goalkeeping coach as there aren't many, you must get loads of job offers with your knowledge

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I’m not sure that argument works as I’ve got my goalkeeping badges and didn’t think he was at fault for either. First one is just a fluke, and 2nd is poor defending. Still obviously prefer Rocky, but Macey is a good enough back up.

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Originally Posted by duffers

I’m not sure that argument works as I’ve got my goalkeeping badges and didn’t think he was at fault for either. First one is just a fluke, and 2nd is poor defending. Still obviously prefer Rocky, but Macey is a good enough back up.

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It surely does work then, you are a qualified goalkeeping coach and didn't think he was at fault

This place is crazy at times, Macey does absolutely nothing wrong in any of his games and helps us to a penalty shootout win and folk start having a. Marciano chucks one in at Ibrox recently and hardly anyone says a thing. Macey is a very good keeper and will do for me.

The second goal is all Boyle’s doing he makes at least three errors in build up. Macey did fine and imho did nothing wrong for either goal. Looks a decent keeper but far too early for lots of praise or criticism at this stage.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

This place is crazy at times, Macey does absolutely nothing wrong in any of his games and helps us to a penalty shootout win and folk start having a. Marciano chucks one in at Ibrox recently and hardly anyone says a thing. Macey is a very good keeper and will do for me.

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:agree:

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Originally Posted by Brooster

This place is crazy at times, Macey does absolutely nothing wrong in any of his games and helps us to a penalty shootout win and folk start having a. Marciano chucks one in at Ibrox recently and hardly anyone says a thing. Macey is a very good keeper and will do for me.

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Hardly chucked one in.

Fwiw I may have had a shandy or two too many last night and looking back on my posts on the subject I agree I came across as a fanny, I’m more than capable of doing that sober so chucking bevy into the mix is a dangerous combination.

I do still think he could have done better with the goals and think he was caught flat footed, I also don’t think he’s as good as Marciano.

That said, who cares, he played a part in getting us through to the semi final and I completely agree with Strachan that his presence in the shoot out was a factor in Motherwells poor penalties.

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Originally Posted by Lovethehibs

It surely does work then, you are a qualified goalkeeping coach and didn't think he was at fault

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I think he missed the sarcasm in your post.

I’ve got my first couple of keeper coaching badges (before it starts costing four figure sums to get to b licence!) and coach the same 11-15 age group as PB. I’m also a bit of a geek for analysis and podcasts and training videos. None of this means I’m absolutely right all the time about my opinion about goalkeeping, most of the best comment comes from a humble place where you make clear that all opinions are equally valid if they come from a point of trying to understand what the player is trying to do and what’s going through his mind when he makes his decision.

There’s a total lack of proper analysis of keeping on tv, for some reason they think that McManaman or Keane or Neville are qualified to do the job, when they don’t have a clue, still banging on about ‘getting beat on the near post should never happen’ and being ‘flat footed’, does my head in.

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Originally Posted by Brooster

This place is crazy at times, Macey does absolutely nothing wrong in any of his games and helps us to a penalty shootout win and folk start having a. Marciano chucks one in at Ibrox recently and hardly anyone says a thing. Macey is a very good keeper and will do for me.

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I think he’s a solid enough keeper, just feel the comments about him being blameless for the second goal last night are wrong IMO. When you see the angle on Sportscene from behind the goal, he’s at least a yard too far over, and the ball only passes him by about 2 yards, if his positioning is correct then he just picks the ball up. Also if he’s that yard over, he’s still more than capable of covering his near post as well.

My first thought at the first goal was ‘where is he going?’ Then watching the replay confirmed that, positioning was poor. He may not have got it anyway but if he’s more in the center of the goal it at least gives him a better shot.

It’s not even a debate for me, Marciano is a level above in my opinion. In saying that I’d be interested to see stats for goals conceded on average which you can comfortably say are goalkeeper errors. I suspect Marciano comes out on top. He is going to be extremely difficult to replace.

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Originally Posted by Dazzling Doidge

My first thought at the first goal was ‘where is he going?’ Then watching the replay confirmed that, positioning was poor. He may not have got it anyway but if he’s more in the center of the goal it at least gives him a better shot.

It’s not even a debate for me, Marciano is a level above in my opinion. In saying that I’d be interested to see stats for goals conceded on average which you can comfortably say are goalkeeper errors. I suspect Marciano comes out on top. He is going to be extremely difficult to replace.

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Problem with GK stats part one
1. Judging what is an ‘error’ is subjective. If we go by what football pundits say I’d only agree with them 1 time out of 10. Even opta can’t really be trusted.
2. % stats are much better than absolute stats but you hardly ever see them. A keeper who plays behind ten poor teammates is always going to concede more shots and more errors than someone who plays in front of a better team.
3. Some keepers have a busier style that lends them to more saves, interceptions, crosses claimed but also more mistakes. Lloris is a good example, the classic sweeper keeper, comes out for lots of through balls and crosses and will make a few VISIBLE mistakes. De Gea is risk averse, but when he doesn’t come out, it might not be a visible error but he hasn’t helped his team and so might indirectly to a goal. So he gets let off by the pundit.

There’s lots more :greengrin

Edit-confused subjective and objective there. Clear error.

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Problem with GK stats part one
1. Judging what is an ‘error’ is objective. If we go by what football pundits say I’d only agree with them 1 time out of 10. Even opta can’t really be trusted.
2. % stats are much better than absolute stats but you hardly ever see them. A keeper who plays behind ten poor teammates is always going to concede more shots and more errors than someone who plays in front of a better team.
3. Some keepers have a busier style that lends them to more saves, interceptions, crosses claimed but also more mistakes. Lloris is a good example, the classic sweeper keeper, comes out for lots of through balls and crosses and will make a few VISIBLE mistakes. De Gea is risk averse, but when he doesn’t come out, it might not be a visible error but he hasn’t helped his team and so might indirectly to a goal. So he gets let off by the pundit.

There’s lots more :greengrin

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Problem with GK stats part one
1. Judging what is an ‘error’ is subjective. If we go by what football pundits say I’d only agree with them 1 time out of 10. Even opta can’t really be trusted.
2. % stats are much better than absolute stats but you hardly ever see them. A keeper who plays behind ten poor teammates is always going to concede more shots and more errors than someone who plays in front of a better team.
3. Some keepers have a busier style that lends them to more saves, interceptions, crosses claimed but also more mistakes. Lloris is a good example, the classic sweeper keeper, comes out for lots of through balls and crosses and will make a few VISIBLE mistakes. De Gea is risk averse, but when he doesn’t come out, it might not be a visible error but he hasn’t helped his team and so might indirectly to a goal. So he gets let off by the pundit.

There’s lots more :greengrin

Edit-confused subjective and objective there. Clear error.

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That’s why I said you could comfortably say were goalkeeping errors.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

I remember bumping into Eddie Turnbull and when I asked him about Maka he said 'if it were me I'd have put Riordan in goals' :greengrin

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Just checked wiki. Maka had a 13 year career. Total games played 66....57 of them for hibs. He played just 9 games in about 9years after he left us. I think eddie turnbull was right!!