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17-01-2021, 02:53 PM
basehibby

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Ah, we’re back to the forum police telling us how long/how many posts a discussion should last.

If people keep posting then the discussion will keep going. It’s how a forum works.

Every thread that even slightly attempts to praise Jack Ross and his Hibs side and you are all over it like a rash moaning your slavering face off - now THAT is what I call BORING!

If you find watching your own football team earn positive results boring then I hate to think how you're handling life under lockdown.
17-01-2021, 02:53 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Out of curiosity and I haven't went back and checked - what were your posts like after the 1-1 draw with Dundee utd?

Based on what your saying I'd assume they were full of praise for what was really, an excellent display of attacking football

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I said that we’d played very well and couldn’t believe we didn’t run away with it and that it felt like a pish result after the performance and the manner we lost the 3 points. So yes, I did praise what was a very good performance where we played some very decent stuff.

I also acknowledged after the Hamilton 4-0 game that we seemed to be turning a corner with our style of play and that we’d been much better to watch the previous couple of games (whatever games they were, I can’t remember off the top of my head). So I’ve gave him credit when we have played a better style of football.

Regardless though, the football we are playing has been an on going issue for a lot of people. While e played some really good attacking football for a couple of games that was extremely welcome, I’d imagine that the people who haven’t been enjoying the style of football were playing will need to see more than one game to feel we’ve turned a corner - especially when we’ve went back to playing with a style nothing like that Utd game since.
17-01-2021, 02:55 PM
The Modfather

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

Ive just had a look at that thread. Basically if you’re a :applause: we should have won by 6 or 7 that day and it’s down to the Utd keeper having a 10/10 day. And if you’re a :grr: it’s down to Doidge being a donkey. And then folk start having a go at each other, hermit crab asks someone out for a square go and someone says something about unseen work...

The match thread sounds more entertaining than the actual match was :duck:
17-01-2021, 03:13 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I said that we’d played very well and couldn’t believe we didn’t run away with it and that it felt like a pish result after the performance and the manner we lost the 3 points. So yes, I did praise what was a very good performance where we played some very decent stuff.

I also acknowledged after the Hamilton 4-0 game that we seemed to be turning a corner with our style of play and that we’d been much better to watch the previous couple of games (whatever games they were, I can’t remember off the top of my head). So I’ve gave him credit when we have played a better style of football.

Regardless though, the football we are playing has been an on going issue for a lot of people. While e played some really good attacking football for a couple of games that was extremely welcome, I’d imagine that the people who haven’t been enjoying the style of football were playing will need to see more than one game to feel we’ve turned a corner - especially when we’ve went back to playing with a style nothing like that Utd game since.

But would you take more of they thrown away points but played well over grinding out a result?

Guess that's the crux

I'd prefer hibs to finish higher up the table regardless of how they got there

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17-01-2021, 03:28 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

But would you take more of they thrown away points but played well over grinding out a result?

Guess that's the crux

I'd prefer hibs to finish higher up the table regardless of how they got there

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I would if it’s not a recurring theme. There’s obviously a balance to be struck with regards to results and style and what we’d be willing to accept on each side.

I’d happily sacrifice a few results if we became a team I enjoyed watching. However, as I said above, generally speaking the teams that play good football tend to get decent results anyway so I’m not sure it needs to be a case of one or the other.
17-01-2021, 03:35 PM
BSEJVT

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Dundee Utd game case in point. We were brilliant for most of it but drew the game. It was carnage on here after it.

100%

I think the folk that think they want exciting football want to win and the folk that think they want to win want exciting football.

The real problem comes when they get what they want but not what they think they want and complain regardless.

Post Tornadoes I think Hibs have won and won stylishly for the majority of those wins in about maybe 3 other seasons spread across that 50 years.

It is far harder than most folk think for anyone other than the Old Firm.

Very few players who play the type of football we dream off, have it within them to gut out drab wins in Inverness in the middle of winter, when the pitch is frozen, it's blowing a gale and freezing and raining.

Those that do play at a far higher level, the only truly consistent example to the contrary I can think of in my time (post Tornadoes) is John McGinn.

If I had a complaint about this Hibs team it is that there have been a few games when we have looked very lethargic and off the pace, it didn't help that one of those was the Cup Semi against Hearts.

If that result had gone differently there would be a lot less criticism of the manager and the team, it took me weeks to get over than and regain a sense of objectivity.
17-01-2021, 03:40 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I would if it’s not a recurring theme. There’s obviously a balance to be struck with regards to results and style and what we’d be willing to accept on each side.

I’d happily sacrifice a few results if we became a team I enjoyed watching. However, as I said above, generally speaking the teams that play good football tend to get decent results anyway so I’m not sure it needs to be a case of one or the other.

Going back the last few years have any of the teams finished 3rd or 4th played fantastic football?

Aberdeen certainly don't play exhilarating, Free flowing football

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17-01-2021, 03:47 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Going back the last few years have any of the teams finished 3rd or 4th played fantastic football?

Aberdeen certainly don't play exhilarating, Free flowing football

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Yup, and we slaughter them for it. Their own fans slaughter them for it.

We finished 4th playing some of the best football most of us have seen at Hibs.
17-01-2021, 03:54 PM
hibbysam

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Yup, and we slaughter them for it. Their own fans slaughter them for it.

We finished 4th playing some of the best football most of us have seen at Hibs.

Ask yourself why, we had probably the best midfield we’ve had in my lifetime, one of which is now one of the best midfielders in the premier league.
17-01-2021, 04:04 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

Ask yourself why, we had probably the best midfield we’ve had in my lifetime, one of which is now one of the best midfielders in the premier league.

Yup we did. Nobody is suggesting that they’ll not be happy until they see the best football we’ve ever seen again though, so a carbon copy of that midfield isn’t what is required, as much as it would be nice. People just want to see something they find entertaining, something which lots of people feel we are lacking.
17-01-2021, 04:07 PM
hibbysam

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Yup we did. Nobody is suggesting that they’ll not be happy until they see the best football we’ve ever seen again though, so a carbon copy of that midfield isn’t what is required, as much as it would be nice. People just want to see something they find entertaining, something which lots of people feel we are lacking.

And lots of others find it totally fine and are enjoying seeing us do well, and recognise that it won’t be perfect, and might not get near perfect due to the lack of atmosphere which always helps you enjoy football.
17-01-2021, 04:07 PM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

The match thread sounds more entertaining than the actual match was :duck:

I think the truth was we did absolutely batter them. That keeper is destined for greater things from what I’ve seen a few times now.
17-01-2021, 04:09 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

And lots of others find it totally fine and are enjoying seeing us do well, and recognise that it won’t be perfect, and might not get near perfect due to the lack of atmosphere which always helps you enjoy football.

Of course, nobody has said any differently and those people are entitled to enjoy what they’re watching. I wish I was one but more often than not this season it hasn’t been particularly enjoyable.

People are also entitled not to enjoy it though and the fact they don’t isn’t nonsense or wrong as has been suggested on this thread.
17-01-2021, 04:20 PM
The Modfather

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Going back the last few years have any of the teams finished 3rd or 4th played fantastic football?

Aberdeen certainly don't play exhilarating, Free flowing football

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Has anybody defined what good or entertaining football is? There’s many ways to skin a cat. Pass and move possession football akin to Mowbray or Collins for a brief period. Or the likes of a more high energy pressing style like Lennon's first season back up.

I’ve said already on this thread that I don’t think Ross plays negative or industrious football, and also that for the majority of performances they have been difficult to criticise. The other side, speaking for myself, is that in a lot of those games that are difficult to criticise it’s also been difficult to get excited, win lose or draw.

A big part of why I’ve been bored for large spells in a number of games is either the 442 and effectively surrendering the middle of the park, or the slow tempo e.g. the first half yesterday I lost count of the amount of counter attacks that petered out because Murphy cut inside, took an age, and then when Killie were back behind the ball our counter attack had gone and the ball was back in the midfield slowly passed about. Ross’ teams seen very structured and rigid, which is effective, but not always very exciting.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have found a lot of games boring this season while also calling out the good job Ross is doing overall and the progress he is making. Particularly the type of signings we’ve made the last couple of windows.
17-01-2021, 04:22 PM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by BSEJVT

100%

I think the folk that think they want exciting football want to win and the folk that think they want to win want exciting football.

The real problem comes when they get what they want but not what they think they want and complain regardless.

Post Tornadoes I think Hibs have won and won stylishly for the majority of those wins in about maybe 3 other seasons spread across that 50 years.

It is far harder than most folk think for anyone other than the Old Firm.

Very few players who play the type of football we dream off, have it within them to gut out drab wins in Inverness in the middle of winter, when the pitch is frozen, it's blowing a gale and freezing and raining.

Those that do play at a far higher level, the only truly consistent example to the contrary I can think of in my time (post Tornadoes) is John McGinn.

If I had a complaint about this Hibs team it is that there have been a few games when we have looked very lethargic and off the pace, it didn't help that one of those was the Cup Semi against Hearts.

If that result had gone differently there would be a lot less criticism of the manager and the team, it took me weeks to get over than and regain a sense of objectivity.

Good Post. When we have an exciting team like Mowbray's and Stubbs', some want them to be tougher and have the ability to win ugly. Then when it's a bit more pragmatic and dull some want it to be more exciting. Lennons team that finished 4th had both attributes and it was good to see a tougher version of Hibs that could also play.

At this point of the season with run of the mill league games like yesterday and the League Cup Semi Final coming up it's all about results. I'm willing to cut the team some slack at this point if they're getting results.
17-01-2021, 04:26 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

Ask yourself why, we had probably the best midfield we’ve had in my lifetime, one of which is now one of the best midfielders in the premier league.

And the best manager we've seen in a very long time too. :tee hee:
17-01-2021, 04:26 PM
WhileTheChief..

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Of course, nobody has said any differently and those people are entitled to enjoy what they’re watching. I wish I was one.

People are also entitled not to enjoy it though and the fact they don’t isn’t nonsense or wrong as has been suggested on this thread.

It’s got to the stage that folk are now telling you how to feel about watching Hibs!!

If the worst that some fans have to say is that we can be boring at times, it goes to show how far we’ve come.

Nobody is raging or spitting feathers, yet this mild criticism has really touched a nerve with some on here.
17-01-2021, 04:35 PM
Since452

I feel we're in good hands with Ross. Don't know the inner workings of the club but from what I've seen I also feel the manager and the board are aligned in where they want us to be and work well together. The club seems very stable to me and on an upward trajectory.
17-01-2021, 04:35 PM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

It’s got to the stage that folk are now telling you how to feel about watching Hibs!!

If the worst that some fans have to say is that we can be boring at times, it goes to show how far we’ve come.

Nobody is raging or spitting feathers, yet this mild criticism has really touched a nerve with some on here.

Not really it isn't mild criticism it is absolutely incessant droning.
17-01-2021, 04:37 PM
hibbysam

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Not really it isn't mild criticism it is absolutely incessant droning.

Especially in a thread titled ‘well done jack Ross’ praising him firstly for a decent point away at the champions, and then further on a very good win yesterday.
17-01-2021, 04:40 PM
Jones28

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

It’s got to the stage that folk are now telling you how to feel about watching Hibs!!

If the worst that some fans have to say is that we can be boring at times, it goes to show how far we’ve come.

Nobody is raging or spitting feathers, yet this mild criticism has really touched a nerve with some on here.

It’s been a lot worse than mild criticism.
17-01-2021, 04:46 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Not really it isn't mild criticism it is absolutely incessant droning.

It is mild criticism.

Incessant droning because you don’t agree with something. How convenient that it’s not incessant droning on the side of the fence you fall on. How very tolerant of others opinions you are Jim.
17-01-2021, 04:47 PM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by Jones28

It’s been a lot worse than mild criticism.

Exactly and this place is worse off for it.
17-01-2021, 04:49 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Jones28

It’s been a lot worse than mild criticism.

What part of anything that’s been posted has been a lot worse than mild criticism? Saying the style of football is boring? Scathing criticism indeed.
17-01-2021, 04:49 PM
flash

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

It is mild criticism.

Incessant droning because you don’t agree with something. How convenient that it’s not incessant droning on the side of the fence you fall on. How very tolerant of others opinions you are Jim.

Two of the biggest clubs on earth currently boring the arse off millions of viewers.
Am off to the other games thread to mildly criticise. Probably take me about 40 posts to do so as I make the same point over and over again.
17-01-2021, 04:51 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by flash

Two of the biggest clubs on earth currently boring the arse off millions of viewers.
Am off to the other games thread to mildly criticise. Probably take me about 40 posts to do so as I make the same point over and over again.

Again, another poster that only has an issue with the amount of posts when they don’t agree with them.
17-01-2021, 04:52 PM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

It is mild criticism.

Incessant droning because you don’t agree with something. How convenient that it’s not incessant droning on the side of the fence you fall on. How very tolerant of others opinions you are Jim.

You are more boring than the football style you moan about. Everybody has opinions about how w play but dear oh dear give a bit of credit now and again we are third in the league ffs.
17-01-2021, 04:52 PM
Keith_M

I actually agree with the thought that maybe our view of the entertainment levels on offer is coloured quite a bit by having to watch the match on TV, and there being no crowds.

I'm not for a minute saying that people don't have a point about some of the games maybe being a bit dull, but I genuinely think we'd enjoy it a bit more (even Calum :wink:) if we were able to attend in person.

Hopefully we'll get back to ER at some point and we can all moan at the players from our favourite seats.
17-01-2021, 04:55 PM
flash

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Again, another poster that only has an issue with the amount of posts when they don’t agree with them.

No response to my first point I see.
17-01-2021, 04:57 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

You are more boring than the football style you moan about. Everybody has opinions about how w play but dear oh dear give a bit of credit now and again we are third in the league ffs.

:faf:

I’ve said the results have been pretty decent. I gave credit when we went through a spell of playing decent football. I said yesterday was a good result. Just ignore all that though.

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