Bus drivers strike

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I don't think it is best practice to reveal your objectives, and fall back positions to the other side before going into a negotiation. But, broadly they have outlined where they want to be in the statement below.

They have made it clear what the strike is about.



Why are you deliberately ignoring the answers to questions you ask?

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Cheers - that statement gives more clarity. Interesting that the union have missed the point as well by twice recommending their members accept the deal.

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

Cheers - that statement gives more clarity. Interesting that the union have missed the point as well by twice recommending their members accept the deal.

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I don't think they've necessarily missed the point, though they may have.

It can be a tactic to recommend a deal but to acknowledge after rejection of the deal, that feelings are running so high that the membership cannot accept the terms of the deal. The union then ballots at the request of the members within the bargaining unit and tries to use the ballot result to force the other side into serious consideration and/or discussion.

You'll hear a lot about strikes being announced and then cancelled after conciliation talks with ACAS. This I understand is the case in this dispute. It may yet not happen if talks can establish a way forward. Both sides are making the right noises in public about talking this out to avert the action and hopefully that's the case here

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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee

Because it doesn't answer the question. What are they trying to achieve with this strike action?

Statements like "poor workplace relations" and "hostile culture by management" doesn't really tell us anything without any proper context.

What are they doing that is deemed "hostile"? How do you improve "workplace relations" in a job where you're working on your own at least several hours everyday?

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I think they tell us the union think relations should be improved, and that you as a (non) customer of LRT are being given the courtesy of a broad outline of why people are going on strike.

The fact that you haven't got the grace to recognise that and demand more information about what is essentially none of your business, is a matter for your definition of self respect.

I would imagine the workplace relations concern the relatii ship between the driver and their manager.

You are really transparent. Sad really.

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Originally Posted by Pete

I wonder who will be manning this skeletal service.

Hell mend any drivers who cross a picket line. It wouldn’t be me anyway, not for all the tea in China.

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Nothing wrong with going into work if you want to.

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Originally Posted by Speedy

Nothing wrong with going into work if you want to.

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Unless you want sent to Coventry for the rest of your days, scabbing is fine. Just ask John Martin.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

Unless you want sent to Coventry for the rest of your days, scabbing is fine. Just ask John Martin.

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Let's hope a group concerned with bullying and toxic culture wouldn't resort to such actions.

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Originally Posted by Speedy

Let's hope a group concerned with bullying and toxic culture wouldn't resort to such actions.

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Let's also hope that members of the union respect the majority decision and uphold the principles of collective bargaining and action.

At the same time, let's also hope that non union members recognise that they too will benefit from the sacrifices of their colleagues, and are sensitive to the fact that their colleagues might not have much time for them later if they scab.

You have no right to bully somebody, but that doesn't mean you have to like them. Common sense, eh?

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

Let's also hope that members of the union respect the majority decision and uphold the principles of collective bargaining and action.

At the same time, let's also hope that non union members recognise that they too will benefit from the sacrifices of their colleagues, and are sensitive to the fact that their colleagues might not have much time for them later if they scab.

You have no right to bully somebody, but that doesn't mean you have to like them. Common sense, eh?

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Last time we called a strike we had 98% union membership. Two guys were scared to defy management and crossed the picket line. They were met by complete silence. 8 years on they're still in the company and now active union members. There's many ways to skin a cat.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

Let's also hope that members of the union respect the majority decision and uphold the principles of collective bargaining and action.

At the same time, let's also hope that non union members recognise that they too will benefit from the sacrifices of their colleagues, and are sensitive to the fact that their colleagues might not have much time for them later if they scab.

You have no right to bully somebody, but that doesn't mean you have to like them. Common sense, eh?

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If you really can’t afford to lose the money then going to work is reasonable. Let’s hope anyone in that position is not bullied or intimidated into strike action.

Worked for LRT for about 4 months in one of their garages. I have worked in many workshops, both at home and abroad and LRT is the hands down winner for the most obnoxious and divisive management style I have ever encountered. I would have expected them to have moved into more modern times concerning the way they run things, but maybe not. Maybe the drivers get run in a different style, I would certainly hope so.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

If you really can’t afford to lose the money then going to work is reasonable. Let’s hope anyone in that position is not bullied or intimidated into strike action.

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Hear hear, but bring part of a union, and the union votes to strike, it is not bullying but democracy.

Been on strike myself, our union was a small part of the workforce. I held no animosity to the rest who worked.

I’ll be driving about shouting scab at anyone breaking the strike.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’ll be driving about shouting scab at anyone breaking the strike.

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Long live the free market

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Originally Posted by HUTCHYHIBBY

I can only imagine they would've considered that before voicing an opinion.

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It was meant to be a lighthearted post, hence the smiley:aok:

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’ll be driving about shouting scab at anyone breaking the strike.

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I’ll be shouting “you profiteering bustards” at taxi drivers 😂

Maybe the drivers want more training on reading road signs:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-49166689

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Originally Posted by Future17

Maybe the drivers want more training on reading road signs:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-fife-49166689

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You're assuming that's the driver's fault but how do we know it wasn't mostly the bridge designer to blame?
Just trying to provide a bit of balance.

Is there any word on how the negotiations are going?

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

You're assuming that's the driver's fault but how do we know it wasn't mostly the bridge designer to blame?
Just trying to provide a bit of balance.

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:hilarious

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

You're assuming that's the driver's fault but how do we know it wasn't mostly the bridge designer to blame?
Just trying to provide a bit of balance.

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:tee hee:

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I’ll be driving about shouting scab at anyone breaking the strike.

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I might be looking for a lift from queen's Hall to Leith on Monday 12th at 10:30 pm 😉

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

You're assuming that's the driver's fault but how do we know it wasn't mostly the bridge designer to blame?
Just trying to provide a bit of balance.

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10/10
Take a bow.

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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

I’ll be shouting “you profiteering bustards” at taxi drivers 😂

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I won’t hear you, I’m planning on on making ear plugs out of £50 notes.

Nae buses ? Ma name is Walker.

Strike now called off pending further ballot on improved offer

Expect another few pages of "yes but why?"

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Originally Posted by Lester B

Strike now called off pending further ballot on improved offer

Expect another few pages of "yes but why?"

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The union are recommending their members accept it - that’s the third time. Wonder why they’ve jumped the gun in suspending before going to the vote?

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Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs

The union are recommending their members accept it - that’s the third time. Wonder why they’ve jumped the gun in suspending before going to the vote?

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Good question.

It looks better to suspend action particularly if there really is an improved offer. Otherwise people may quite reasonably ask why the union are continuing with industrial action when there's something new being offered. Of course we don't, and can't, know the full details of what that is.

I think it's a good sign so hopefully the action can be averted completely.

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Originally Posted by Lester B

Strike now called off pending further ballot on improved offer

Expect another few pages of "yes but why?"

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Theres a surprise.

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Originally Posted by Lester B

Strike now called off pending further ballot on improved offer

Expect another few pages of "yes but why?"

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Boooo :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Lester B

Strike now called off pending further ballot on improved offer

Expect another few pages of "yes but why?"

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I have it on good authority that “persons” responsible for the bullying are now no longer in place. That’s as much as I can say. This and a few other little carrots have been offered. A ballot will take place next week on whether to accept or not.