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Spanish reporter Xavi Torres now saying all 6 English clubs have backed out, lol
This just gets better :greengrin:top marks:top marks:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Man City and Chelsea exit the European Super League, Chelsea have left Man City are filling in the paper work
Does this finish of the daft idea for good?
We’re always being told it’ll happen eventually, money will talk and so on. But money hasn’t talked here, thankfully.
what a loady nonsense this has all been :greengrin
Juventus president has also resigned.
A lesson in fan power.
We in Scotland really could have things more our way if we did this kind of thing more often. Especially up here, boards rely on ticket revenue so much. I hope when we return to stadiums better organising takes place to kick out the elements of modern football we despise.
Well done to the fans of all the 'big six', but by god I hope the rest of the league throws the book at their owners. Lifetime bans for them all imo
Wow, hes the Fiat guy, his family has run Juve for 100 years. Scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Deary me. How such big money could make such a big error in judgement makes you wonder how they made it big in the first place. I wasnt against the initial idea of it but was under the impression that they had their fans onside and were leaving their domestic league. Cant believe they made it all public not knowing if their fans were onside. Unbelievable screw up.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Their own hubris has killed them.
This is amazing.
Dead in the water hopefullyQuote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
hopefully we’ll see a bloodbath at board level in all clubs involved. Metaphorically. ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
Still want all twelve of them punished though. Three season European ban would be nice.
Might be a few horses worried about their heads :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
I like your kind of justice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
I don't think the fans of the big six deserve that much praise. They've played a part in derailing the breakaway but they've been happy enough to lap up success while their clubs have distorted football and fostered the environment where this week's nonsense could even happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABZHFC
This applies to fans of many teams in the top European leagues of course (Germany excepted, apart from Leipzig).
I honestly think that is a fairly sensible punishment. They 100% deserve to have some form of punishment handed down to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
That does mean they may get their **** together 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Vault Boy
Oh I agree, particularly their non match-going fans. They undoubtedly have played their part in fostering the conditions for this by demanding their owners spend hundreds of millions on players etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
However, it was at least good to see their diehards come out and protest so vociferously, a big **** you to all those who think money trumps all
They said (on Sky Sports I think) yesterday that Chelsea and Man City were unsure about joining it but did because the others were, they didn't want to be left out. A bit of FOMO going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
that's harsh. Liverpool fans led the way in the ticket prices protests a couple of years ago. United fans fought like hell to stop their club getting taken over by Murdock in 98 (they won that one) and then Glazer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
they do of course have a lot of glory hunting fans, all of them. But their proper support are clued up on issues that matter to all of us.
Many of these clubs are up to their necks in debt with little prospect of clearing it under current set up. You could argue these owners are simply doing what any normal business would do - try to protect their interests and develop new revenue generating opportunities. Their problem is they think the world is just a big Corporate America and soccer is just another franchise in waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahibby
Now they will feel the backlash from all directions.
Wonder how the Man U share price is doing ?
Ffs sounds like the playground. If he told you to jump off a cliff would you do it? Absolutely pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
As a Man United fan, I have to say the opposition to the Glazers has been fierce. However, they don't care about the fans and have never asked their opinion on anything. So what can they do, other than walk away? Some did, some even set up a phoenix club - FC United - and started from the bottom rung, but still the Glazers are there. Many stopped buying merchandise and boycotted club sponsors. What else can the fans do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
I hope it's like Wall Street, October 1929. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Through hilarity of Chelsea and Man City standing against money in football 😂😂😂😂.
I'll not hold my breath for their fans to start questioning their ownership and how that impacts competitiveness.
I'll hopefully never have to find out for sure, but I've often thought that if Hibs were in that position I would walk away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Indeed. This kinda of stuff is amateurish. Shows how out of touch they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Any self respecting financial journo should be looking into the trading activities of the club owners over the last few days :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Funny thing is, if they had just kept on threatening to leave, uefa would have given them their super league over the next few years anyway.
That threat is gone now. I’m blown away by how much of a balls up they have made of this.
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Owners should be given 2 options. Leave asap or club gets hammered.
so do you reckon the Atlantic league pish is dead in the water too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
:agree:
Don't worry folks, the Scottish Super League featuring Scotland's big 6 Hibs, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Dundee United and Brora is still going ahead.
No. I think the people involved will have learnt a thing or two though. Number 1 is to get your FA and Uefa to ok it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
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Yes, and that offers an opportunity to reform the game that cannot be wasted. The owners of these clubs are now vulnerable; the governing bodies, the fans and even government must turn the screw on them by forcing change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
UEFA were already giving them a halfway house as it was. Astonishing how quickly this is dissipating, I expected more names to be added once the first 12 went public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
and as incompetent as Scottish football authorities are, when and why would they ever agree to that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Hammer the clubs regardless, huge fines or put to the bottom of the pyramid.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Well, it seems clear the majority of players and employees were against this. Should punish the owners hard, not the workers and players who've done nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErinGoBraghHFC
Sadly, they've done nothing illegal so expect little the authorities can do to the clubs - at least nothing that could not be challenged in court. Their biggest problem is the fallout from fans to politicians. These owners will be seen as hostile and mistrusted from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
:agree: Exactly, they proposed and tried to implement a new business model and it fell flat. They are looking collectively pretty silly right now so UEFA/FIFA have already won the war....Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Chairmen etc of all clubs involved should be hounded out with their tails between their legs and subjected to booing and barracking from all football fans everywhere forever more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magpie
As for the owners - seems to me they are getting off far too lightly - but how the hell do you hammer these spoilt rotten billionaire types???
Attempting to establish a breakaway league without permission from the FA and UEFA is clearly a breach of the terms of membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
yeah, UEFA will be the real winners here, not the fans. They’ve humiliated the breakaway clubs, consolidated their own power and wealth, probably buried the super league for a long time. They’ll be feeling pretty smug tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
the worst part of this is that they’ll have somehow managed to convince the more gullible fans that they’re the good guys
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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4
Yes although my hope is that this has now awakened a clamour from fans to reform football for the better.
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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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The governing bodies have driven the race to money grabbing on an absurd scale - the 12 breakaway clubs were simply following the same pattern. UEFA and FIFA have just had their hand strengthened and the race for even more money will continue unabated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
If it can be shown to benefit the game in Scotland where more of our top players can play in Scotland then maybe they will agree to it? I wouldn’t rule it out that it still happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
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How is the super league with Hearts Inverness and Stranraer getting on?
In which case the game is lost once and for all. This could be the moment when there is one final chance to reverse that trend, but it requires cooperation amongst many groups. This could be October 1917, comrades :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
I’ve been out the loop, this is absolutely superb.
“Saving football”😂
Are the North London clubs staying in with a hope of winning it..?
Strong statements from the English politicians today who weren't going to be making things at all easy.
Opportunism of course but the English clubs began to see a juggernaught coming towards them from all conceivable sides.
It will all fall apart now and UEFA don't need to bend over and take it any longer and should pull back on their own reconstruction such as the offensive "wildcards" into the Champions League from 2024.
id rather it was July 1936 :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
They're inviting Brora and Alloa to play in next season's tournament as they've proved themselves to be of the required standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
they absolutely should do that, in particular the invitational places to clubs with high co-efficient scores. That was a deliberate concession to the ‘elite’ clubs and should be done away with immediately as punishment.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baldmans Comb
Looks like that's it: all finished within three days. There has to be consequences for the criminals who own these clubs.
Liverpool confirmed they’re out
All English clubs now out.
These owners should be jailed for this.
So not only are they complete crooks who tried to con the public they are also total *****bags! It was a total disgrace what they tried to do but they haven't even got the courage of their convictions.
All running back with their tails between their legs trying to make out as though, in the end, they listened to their fans. They don’t give a flying **** about the fans or their opinions.
Gary Neville called it when it was first announced. Bottle merchants.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
From what I've seen only Daniel Levy has actually made a statement attributed to him personally.
The statements are amusing to say the least.
an apology from arsenal, united and Liverpool have “listened to their fans and other stakeholders”. F*** me that’s good of them!
And the pitchfork award for the best hyperbolic overreaction goes to...:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I think it's a thing in this country that you have to have been caught after committing a crime (or be framed for one) then stand trial and be found guilty of said crime before being imprisoned.
But didn’t you say you want to hammer the clubs (presumably includes the workers and players who have done nothing wrong) if they get stuck with the owners?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
Well I didn't mean it literally. However, the Glazers in jail....in solitary....waterbaorded...subjected to cruel and unusual punishment....aye, okay :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
You might be right there but the same could be said of UEFA and FIFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
It will all be forgotten about in a week and business as usual. They’ll even get to keep their wildcard champions league places.
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Careful, the Huns will be along in a minute to call for your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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Why didn't you say that in the first place? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
They did that the first time I saw Hibs play them :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
When we get the inevitable, full, behind the scenes story of this, it’s going to be a hell of a read...
Aye, the same people who negotiated the new champions league format, which would further benefit their own clubs anyway, were, behind the scenes organising to leave anyway and using the UEFA information to help plan their breakaway league. Talk about duplicity and betrayal. If only football had been around in Shakespeare's day!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
A Champions League wildcard you say? Maybe we'll get picked, you know like in X-Factor when Louis Walsh brings back Jedward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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I’ve long lost interest in the English Premier League and Chsmpions league, but the last few days have been hilarious and thoroughly entertaining.
It's got to the point I'd rather watch a Sunday league game Vs the corporate guff on TV these days.
All six premier league teams withdraw from the proposed Super League.
There’s no chance the spfl or the sfa would agree to that. They have a duty to look after the interests of all clubs, it would go to a vote and it would have zero chance of getting through. Why would any team not involved vote to reduce its standing and influence in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Would Hibs be included? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
For once we fans were listened to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Greed lost this time !
As an old Hibby (53years and counting) who has lived and worked all over the world, the one thing that unites everybody (even in Covid times) is your footie team. The events that have happened in the last 48+ hours have absorbed everybody, including people who are not even into "the beautiful game" Today
my son Adam (Chelsea fan since 3years old ....loved Petr Cech) who is 15 today went for a walk (that is all you can do in Toronto hmmm) and we talked about it . It is not even 3 years since we were both at ER watching the Hibs against Molde in the Europa League as part of a footie trip that involved 5 of the EPL big 6. Molde have since gone on to play in the Champions league .. 24 games is the total according to Wikipedia ! Were Molde or Hibs not entitled to reach for the higher league just like any other team?
That is the whole point of the pyramid system, even from U-11 onwards, teams get good and they get promoted , teams get bad and get relegated . Any Mum or Dad who has watched their kids play footie through the age groups understands this . What we saw over the last 2-3 days was an arbitrary attempt by Chief Executives in TEMPORARY control of famous (even more famous than HMFC with their 400,000 supporters) clubs to set a course without consensus with their own team , coaches, shareholders and above all their fans. Woodward, the Glazers ,Fenway Group and others I forget to mention deserve all the criticism coming to them . I have lived in Toronto for 22+ years and there is no way a collective group of teams would attempt such an audacious money on grab US sports leagues (NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB) . The US leagues may not have relegation, but they do have salary cap and first draft pick to the worst teams. At least it evens up the teams chances of winning everything. Hell even the Raptors won the NBA after being REALLY BAD for years before that. The Super league never even gave smaller, poorer teams that option . It was an arbitrary choice of teams , determined not by present performance or even recent past performance. Why not have Ajax (4 times winners, best youth program in Europe) , Borussia Dortmund(Haaland ?) , Leicester (EPL winners , 3rd in league) and many more teams who have a better record into the top league ?
Businessmen in "let's try and make loads of money" shock. At the end of the day, that's all they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
No different from charging £50 for a shirt, from playing games at noon on a Sunday to suit a bigger tv audience, to awarding a World Cup in Qatar, to letting the bigger countries have 4 teams in the CL etc. etc.
I hope this doesn't deflect from all the things that are wrong with the game at the moment.
Yes, if the owners refuse to sell you must punish them somehow. Just my first choice wouldn't be to punish the clubs. If you do it like this, it puts massive pressure on owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire HFC
There’s a fundamental difference between trying to make money within the rules of the game, and trying to change the rules of the game because you want to be even richer.
This applies in all walks of life. Stop being blinkered to what’s happening here.
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
I’m still a bit sceptical over the whole thing & the fact that UEFA got their new competition in without anyone paying attention.
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Originally Posted by Dalianwanda
My hope is that UEFA and FIFA now come under serious scrutiny after this.
If Real Madrid and Juve want to resign from all other competitions and set up their own special relationship league, let them. The threat of a serious breakaway led by the richest clubs in Europe is dead, for now.
This is an opportunity for positive reform.
So, it was all just a diversion tactic?
I agree, I would prefer if the owners were the only ones that were reprimanded but not sure how realistic it is to punish owners without effecting the club with something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Someone using hyperbole on a football forum?
Well I am SHOCKED. Never mind the super league, something should be done about this.
Agnelli of Juventus saying today that the behind the scenes political pressure was immense and it was made clear immediately that every obstacle possible was going to put in the ESL way.
It will be sold as 'bowing to fan pressure" but European and English politicians played "an absolute blinder' here.✅
UEFA aren't the heroes but they are the major beneficiaries and they know have a golden opportunity to bring some sanity and fairness into European football competitions.
Fixed that for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baldmans Comb
I don’t think that’s true.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacomo
The previous changes to the champions League for example were changes to the rules and were designed to make the regular participant clubs richer and to perpetuate their involvement in it. They got further changes in this week that also change the rules so that teams that finish lower than other teams but have a good record will get in instead.
So, let’s not pretend rules don’t get changed.
In any case this wasn’t an attempt really to change the rules, it was an attempt to not enter one competition and instead create another, with rules that the group who want to join are entitled to set.
It didn’t work but that is not to say that the concept that there is a European competition that you get into by finishing high up in your league needs to stand forever.
There was a big reaction, i think a lot of it was over reaction that really didn’t fit what was actually being proposed.
I personally think they deserve some sort of punishment. 3year ban from Europe sounds about right to me.
The shameful 6 have been so deceitful, going behind everyones back while knowing what deals the 20 clubs have in the pipeline.
The should either back up their views now, or accept what punishment is forthcoming and STFU.
I partly agree with this, in that the various changes that led to the existing CL have often been to skew things further in favour of the elite, and that the direction of travel for future changes (the 'Swiss' setup with expanded groups, 'historical' coefficients to make it less likely that elite teams don't qualify, etc) appear to lead to a pretty similar place to the proposed ESL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
If people are angry about the ESL, I think they should be equally angry about those changes. If UEFA are left to their own devices, I think there's a reasonable chance we'll end up with more or less the same thing eventually, just still under UEFA's control and with the changes happening incrementally.
I'm not sure I agree it was an over-reaction though – if someone was saying 'the current CL is great and fair, the ESL would be unfair' then, yes, that's an over-reaction and divorced from reality. However, where the main objection was to the concept of certain teams having guaranteed entry, I don't think it's an over-reaction. I think the strength of outcry is partly because it was proposed as a single big change – in theory it shouldn't make any difference, but in reality a single sudden change is easy for people to contrast with the current situation (and with whatever they view as the ideal situation), whereas UEFA's incremental changes are less likely to cross a single point where there is broad simultaneous agreement that it's a bad thing. This makes it harder for any form of opposition or protest to coalesce. The phrase 'boiling a frog' springs to mind.
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Originally Posted by Andy74
I’m not for a minute suggesting the current set up is perfect or particularly fair. Both UEFA and FIFA are corrupt in my view.
I am, however, pleased that for once fans seem to have halted the seemingly relentless power and money grab by the richest clubs.
You seem desperate to cast doubt on every single concern people have expressed.
Again, I’d like to ask if you have a vested interest here, because many of your comments on here seem like trolling.
Which was inevitable, it was never getting off the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnM1875