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My mistake. Regardless, I share the concerns of may on here that we may make the same mistakes as previous summer windows this year as we have got it so wrong for so long - I just think that it's a bit early to start castigating the board for doing it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
Certainly can't argue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BEEJ
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/cov...2746-31091359/
Hopefully this link works, here is the main bit anyway:
" City’s development director Steve Waggott confirmed the two clubs have been in communication over the defender’s future, saying: “We have had a discussion with Hibs about the next steps for James but that’s very much up in the air at the moment and to all intents and purposes he’s still a Coventry player and will be returning for pre-season on July 1."
Sorry if posted already.
Interesting if true. Out of contract at Carlisle where he has done well and earned an international recall recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe
c50 games for Leeds prior to joining Carlisle.
Sky report from last month said Barnsley, Swindon and Crawley were all interested though so might be better money on the table than we'd offer.
In summary: Sign him up.
Other than the manager's not getting the right players (which is with hindsight mainly) what mistakes do we generally make each window?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
Name sounds familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe
Have we been credited with an interest previously?
Encouraging to hear that we have had discussions with Coventry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mixu 6-2
Here's hoping we can agree a package to get him signed up.
What we can't afford to do is leave it late with signings. This has proved to be a complete and utter failure. The dross we have signed while leaving it late is unreal. Get players signed and fast. No messing about and then they can get a proper pre season together. If this doesn't happen then Fenlon has a real task on his hands. I still think he's our man to get us out this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
This twice annual complaint firstly I don't think really stacks up when you look at the dates players sign and secondly I don't think is a deliberate tactic at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
It's just the way it wors when there is competition for players and leagues that go back at different times.
Why would there be such a big fuss abour deadline day if it worked any differently?
Getting players in quickly is of course ideal, but only if they are the ones you want. Speed isn't of the essence, the right quality and creating the right balance at the end of it is.
You'd think reading on this that Hibs just sit about in the office until suddenly deciding to do something weeks later. That's total nonsense.
Where we've made mistakes is in pursuing the wrong players. We've also changed manager so often that we constantly have to work on getting more players in than anyone else.
Yes, some teams are announcing players now. Some we might quite like, most we wouldn't. I'd question whether you are giving yourself the best opportunity to see what players become available. For what its worth I think hibs have at least two players who have agreed to sign and had been worked on for some time before the end of the season and several more are ongoing even though we don't hear about them.
Keep this in mind: The keeper Smith was signed on the first day of a window. De Graaf was nice and early as were Maka and O'Brien. You can sign dross whenever you complete the deal.
I can understand why it has happened previously (and have defended the board for it) but we have often been near the start of the season giving trials to the likes of Thicot and Keenan, which is far from ideal preparation for a new season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I have accepted the reasons for why this has happened previously, but it does cause us problems - I think the biggest issue is that we are often asked to be patient as quality signings can be made on deadline day, but keeping some of the budget back in the hope of getting a significant piece of the jigsaw in the closing hours of the window has proven to be a flawed policy in recent years (I appreciate that we got Bamba and Riordan in 2008).
I must state that it is far too early to be really worrying about our lack of signings, and I do have a feeling (FWIW) that we will make the necessary signings earlier this year - however, I can understand the concerns that people have about the happenings of recent windows being repeated; with such a huge rebuild required, getting as many new signings in as possible for pre-season training is massively important.
I mistakenly thought that the window opened today, and that we would hear about signings now - people are gonna get very edgy if nothing is announced over the next month. I understand that we cannot possibly know the ins and outs of what the club are doing, and that work will constantly be going on with regards to bringing the right players to Hibs. However, given how bad things have been in recent years, and how horrendous the SC Final experience was, I can understand why people will question how significant business is being done elsewhere, whilst we have yet to announce anything.
I am not anxious yet, but decisive action is needed soon.
What do you mean dross you thought he was brilliant. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Agree with all other points it is ideal to get players in however the most important thing is that it is the right players and not last minute panic buys in August.
Most people in football, players, managers, Boards etc will be on holidays I would imagine and while appreciating that business will still be able to be done in some respect I think we need to be patient to some degree. If we are in late July and we are well short then I think that there would be room for complaint not in the first day of June IMO.
your thinking of the ex celtic playerQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Giovanni
We have a psychicQuote:
Originally Posted by muzzhfc
We had actually been linked with this guy when he was released by Leeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzhfc
If Fenlon get's us the spine of a team this summer. A goalkeep, McPake, A Central midfielder and a proper number 9 then I'll even wait until January to add more pieces.
I accept that this is a long term project now. We are a complete mess, and anyone that thinks we can go from here to top 6 or European challengers in one summer is, frankly, deluded.
I'd be delighted with 8th or above this season and push on.
We don't need a revolution every summer, we need solid mark improvement. That old 5 year plan etc, with clear defined markers of improvement that Fenlon can be judged against.
Cheers Andy, I thought that was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
This is the reality. There is no quick fix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Perhaps Fenlon will be part of the reason we find it hard to bring quality players in. Our dismal home form and appalling Cup Final are going to be factors, and judging by something I heard from someone connected to the playing staff he's not set the heather on fire on the training park either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just_Jimmy
Folk my like the track suit and passionate plain speaking but i don't think he's a big draw in himself.
Time will tell how he does in a League where he won't have the most to spend.
I am hearing that Brown and O'Brien don't particularly hit it off. Brown could be the next out the door.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
Promising Hibs Youngsters now a lost generation.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...tion-1-2333092
He had to build a squad in his last year in Ireland from scratch with about £250k total wage budget. The team he managed to pull together finished in a decent position so he must be able to do allright without a big budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
There have been a number of articles from ex players and journalists that I've read since he arrived that have been very complimentary about the way he goes about things and his record proves he knows how to with things.
Compared to the many other non entities at rival clubs this seems a bizarre angle to take. I must admit I don't really get the undercurrent that seems to be working to undermine Fenlon already, as if we haven't learned yet what being in constant upheaval is doing for us.
A bit of a daft article that though on a slow news day. Mind you, many Hibs fans were getting carried away too when they all got signd up but really, two or three coming from any age group into the first team is exceptional and it could have focused on how three from that age group are now in and around the first team with two being key Scotland Under 21 players, one of them the captain.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Exactly what I heard from a player – “his ways are old fashion and out-dated” is what I was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
I know he has a lot of support from the fans but I fail to understand how he has gain this, what are his qualities?
Can someone tell me why he is the man to take us forward, to me it was another cheap option from Hibs, I will be delighted if he comes good but I feel were are in for a long, long season once more.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scot...suits-Mac.html
JAMES McPAKE is willing to sacrifice £200,000 to ensure that he gets a move to Hibs.
SunSport understands the Easter Road skipper would love to clinch a permanent move to Hibs after last season’s four month loan spell.
So if its in the sun, that means it's not true, gutted he's not coming back!
I'm sure that player was able to claim the high ground given the medals they will have won compared to Fenlon?Quote:
Originally Posted by c31
McPake spoke very highly of Fenlon, said he really enjoyed training and thought most of the boys did too.
What he did allude to is that there are a couple who had gripes about training etc, but it was generally guys who were on the fringes or not playing at all.
Look up his wiki page it gives you a good idea of what he has won as a player and a manager and what his football credentials are. Compare it then with the football career of the unnamed player and see who has more credibility in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by c31
Every club including the top in the world will have players who are only too willing to mouth off about what is wrong with this or that usually when they are not playing in the first team. Footballers are inherently self obsessed and will look for any excuse why they are not in the team rather than focussing on things they may be able to control like fitness or practising more on weaknesses in their game rather than moaning to every random Joe about the manager usually while supping on a pint.
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Originally Posted by HibeeMassive
As happens with every club on the planet get these losers out the club.
[QUOTE=GordonHFC;3251832]I am hearing that Brown and O'Brien don't particularly hit it off. Brown could be the next out the door.[/QU
Ithink brown has been giving PF a bum steer from day 1, sooner the better he is gone
LOI and SPL are worlds apartQuote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Indeed, some of the LoI teams do pretty well in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopefulhibby
I wouldn't give a toss who said what about who, coming from that squad of players, apart from well Mr mcpake, but talking about worlds apart none of them players are even close to the professional that your ex LOI manager is...Quote:
Originally Posted by hopefulhibby
Shamrock Rovers done really well last year and a player called Pat Sullivan scored 1 of the best goals you are likely to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Old fashioned training tactics? Good. Get these losers running up and down Arthurs Seat every day.
Old Firm apart I am not sure there will be that much between the other teams. It is fundamentally the same job though he has proven to be able to build 2 or 3 successful teams and constantly win trophies. He will have a winners attitude which would appear to be in stark contrast to what our current players appear to have in any great number. If players are moaning about him then good it means he is maybe making life less of a cushy number at East Mains. I think it was Fenlon himself that said that he was amazed to see so many smiling faces at a club that was struggling. I agree with him we need many more focussed and dedicated professionals rather than kid on ones who think it is acceptable to regularly get blootered and go out partying a few hours after being humiliated in one of the biggest games in the clubs 137 year history.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopefulhibby
The individual I spoke to isn't a player and has no axe to grind. It was a style of football and approach conversation we had.
We're all pinning our hopes on an influx of players, some quality players in that too. Need to wait and see, but we will we be harder to beat, maybe even win a game at home, or can we look forward to a better style of play?
So is SFL1 and the EPL, yet Coyle hasn't had these issues. Success is success, and Fenlon has had more in has career than our whole sorry squad added together.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopefulhibby
He was able to craft hard working, winning teams in Ireland, hopefully, and I can't see why not, he can do the same for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
The teams who were in the Premier League last season have announced their list of retained players - and there are some star names available.
Several big names will be seeking new clubs but, although defender Ledley King is not on Tottenham's retained list following the expiration of his contract, he says he will be back at White Hart Lane next season in either a playing or coaching capacity.
Danny Murphy and Pavel Pogrebnyak have not made Fulham's list but the club are believed to be in discussions with the duo about extending their stays.
However, Andrew Johnson is set to leave Craven Cottage this summer and other notable players who will be on the move are Arsenal goalkeeper Manuel Almunia, Manchester City's Owen Hargreaves and Michael Owen of Manchester United.
Selected players who have been given free transfers:
Arsenal: Manuel Almunia
Aston Villa: Carlos Cuellar, Emile Heskey
Blackburn: Miguel Salgado
Bolton: Juusi Jaaskelainen, Zat Knight, Paul Robinson, Gretar Steinsson
Chelsea: Jose Bosingwa, Didier Drogba, Salomon Kalou
Everton: James McFadden
Fulham: Danny Murphy, Andrew Johnson, Pavel Pogrebnyak
Liverpool: Fabio Aurelio
Manchester City: Owen Hargeaves
Manchester United: Tomasz Kuszczak, Michael Owen
Newcastle: Danny Guthrie, Peter Lovenkrands, Alan Smith
Norwich: Zak Whitbread, Aaron Wilbrahim
QPR: Danny Gabbidon, Fitz Hall
Stoke: Salif Diao, Ricardo Fuller
Sunderland: Craig Gordon
Swansea: Ferrie Bodde
Tottenham: Ledley King, Ryan Nelsen, Louis Saha
WBA: Keith Andrews, Paul Scharner, Somen Tchoyi
Wigan: Mohamed Diame, Chris Kirkland, Hugo Rodallega
Wolves: Jody Craddock
original article here .... > http://www.teamtalk.com/news/2483/77...retained-lists
Discuss :greengrin
take it the player was trying to the heat off them for their lack of fight and passion in the final? players often moan about training and quite frankly if they are old fashioned and out dated it worked in the past. maybe fenlon switched off the xboxs and tvs at em?Quote:
Originally Posted by c31
i would take whatever a player says from this current squad with a pinch of salt as i wouldnt have them at the club if i was manager :flag:
[QUOTE=ScottB;32520
He was able to craft hard working, winning teams in Ireland, hopefully, and I can't see why not, he can do the same for us.[/QUOTE]
Sadly no evidence of this at Hibs yet. As I said the conversation was along the lines of 'not seen nothing yet'. Hard to disagree.
Aye, because he's had such a great opportunity to do so eh? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cropley10
None of them are Hibs Class.Discussion ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Alf R
Danny Guthrie at Newcastle is a strange one...
[QUOTE=hopefulhibby;3251959]You are hearing or is it just voices in your head ..?....whatever way dressed ..more negative pish from you ..Quote:
Originally Posted by
who is the right man to take us forward though? its now seen as a poisoned chalice of a job, any manager we bring in now will be of the young making his way in the game manager, we have to let fenlon get on with it, fingers crossed :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by c31
Don't know if it's a fake account and sorry couldn't get a link but Garry O'Connor said he has been in talks with hearts on twitter! He tweeted saying he hasn't signed for then but has been approached
Calling Karen Dunbar to the witness box ......calling Karen Dunbar to the witness box ..... etcQuote:
Originally Posted by hibernianyank
:******:
Haha ur funny!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibernianyank
It is.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibernianyank
The LOI has produced some decent players, they have five in the Irish Euro's squadQuote:
Originally Posted by hopefulhibby
- David Forde
- Stephen Ward
- James McClean
- Shane Long
- Kevin Doyle
He'll suit them there of course, replacing one snorter with anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by hibernianyank
:wink:
That's not his real page, he doesn't have a Twitter accountQuote:
Originally Posted by hibernianyank
I'd take McFadden, although I doubt we'd be able to meet his wage demand.
Like people have said its a fake account, i just wasn't entirely sure but here is his account with the tweets https://twitter.com/#!/GarryOofficial.
Also some very good players who didn't make the squad, the point i was making was it is much easier to win things in the LOI when you have the highest budget, yes i know Celtic had the highest budget last season and won the leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Easter Road X1
[QUOTE=happyhibbie;3252310]Do you think BB has been a positive influence on the team?? and why??Quote:
Originally Posted by hopefulhibby
Ian Black was in the village shop in wallyford buying egg rolls this morning, my dad asked if he'd sign for Hibs. His response was 'I haven't been approached by anyone yet.'
should we try for him?
I would be surprised if Pat was not aware of his situation and how much he is looking for, but personallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
I can't see him ruining his new found status with the fans with 6 toes to sign for us
Lubo Michalik for Hibs?
seems to be doin the rounds when you Google his name
Keith Fahey?Quote:
Originally Posted by Easter Road X1
its rumoured that rangers will sign him if the player embargo is liftedQuote:
Originally Posted by Leishy1995
He'll fit right in there. The whole Rangers set up is a massive cheat !
Be very funny if he done it just to be controversial though. He's smaller Than my wee sister too. My dad told him he'd be better on the bacon to get some meat on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by RickyS
Was in the scotsman, and they mentioned him on the bbc radio news today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
Mon le cabbage xx
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Originally Posted by Beefster
"Manager" is conspicuous by its absence in that list. What's your view? (Genuine question)
He was offered a deal and said he wanted to move on. Good squad player who wants a start. Solid pro. Good luck to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman1875
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Originally Posted by c31
Is this one of the same "players" that was part of the worst Hibs team in living memory last season?
Gullane Sands too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar Hibee
No more namby pamby tippy tappy stick it up your jacksy laddi da laddi das for me .
( cred Inspctr Grimm)
I wonder if this is true, its to compliment McPake, or someone we'd like should McPake not return?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia Na Eir
With McPake....Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Well that might depend on whether Hanlon is still here. With the clubs that have looked at him and his continued captaincy and displays for U21's it would be no surprise to see offers for him - and given losses we have suffered past 2 seasons we would not be in a position to turn down a decent offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
I think any offers would have to be made on his under 21 displays, as i dont see any decent offers on his Hibs performances, unless they were also signing McPake too? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by down-the-slope
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I really hope this is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonHFC
Is Brown not out of contract anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsmad
Get him out. Once a jambo, always a jambo. Guaranteed he had a wee celebratory drink on the 19th.
I would think he probably is. People assume that he will join Jeffries at Dunfermline and this may well happen, however his current post at Hibs will be better paid so if Fenlon wants him to stay then I think that he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wotherspiniesta
In many ways I don't blame him for his split loyalties type comments leading up to the final as he was being honest. The fact is though that if that's how he feels then he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near ER unless it's in the opposition dug out. I would like as many of the current squad to leave as possible (retaining McPake being the exception), however if you allowed me to guarantee one person to be leaving I would choose Brown.
Like many I am finding it hard after the final and trying to be as positive as possible. I will find being positive a whole lot easier next season if I know everyone in the Hibs coaching staff are 100% behind Hibs and want nothing more than to stick it right up they maroon *******s!
hopefully.
Should this be headed "Greggs" or "Wishful Thinking"?
Mark Brown or Billy Brown? Let's not assume it's only one we're talking about hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Wotherspiniesta
I thought he had already signed for the dandys
I thought he had signed for Aberdeen too, but just saw this.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...tory-1-2328108
Still can't see it, but would love it to happen!
did he not say earlier last week that he hadn't signed for anyone?
The deal with Aberdeen will probably go ahead when he returns from holiday. Hayes quite rightly is being cautious and guarded until he puts pen to paper. Until then it's in his interest to keep the issue open as another club might just come along with a better deal. Nice if it was Hibs, but I don't think I'd get my hopes up too much.
If it was me and they had announced i'd signed when i hadn't i'd be pretty pissed off that they may have effected any other potential interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
I think now would be a good time to gazump Aberdeen as if there were other similar offers he may be interested in hearing them. If it was inevitable he was going to sign for them i don't think he would have denied the story so publicly
Billy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
He was probably pissing himself laughing that night.
Never liked him.
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php...mid=2114656208
according to the carlisle fans the boy Michalek is pish, apparently only played so many games as he was there highest earner.
Normally i'm pretty optimistic about potential signings and look for the positives in there games but more often than not when fans of the players previous clubs slate the player they're normally right.
On the other hand, we slated boys like Vaz Te...Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
Who knows, I'm happy to judge newcomers on how they do with us, clean slate and all that!
Sean ohanlon springs to mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I know it's not always the case and there are other examples, Rankin to dundee utd is another one so i'm not about to start protesting at the gates at east mains, hopefully if he does sign he's great for us and i won't judge him until he's played a few games for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
I am just a bit concerned though, after that final and the season we had last season this transfer window is absolutely massive for us so i was wanting us to be signing players from clubs where the fans were dissappointed to be losing them as they were good players so to be signing someone that carlisle fans are delighted to be losing has got me thinking "here we go again".
Yup, there's been a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slenj.=]
It's not always the case but it's given me cause for concern.
I remember when Simon Brown signed for us most of the colchester fans were crying coz theyd lost a great keeper.........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18318426
know **** all bout him...so beginning to wonder which club it might just be....
hes scottish if he was irish maybe thought feblon knew him doubt he knows a non league scot playing in england.
You ain't hopeful about our prospects under Fenlon then? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo'nessHibee
yep i am hopeful just think this guy maybe under his radar up until now. big slovakian defender sound good on wiki, would have liked to see hayes along with mcpake being kept on. i think fenlon did well signing up doyle think he will be a big player next season. also need a gd experienced goalie who is safe hands.
So when do we think the first signing will be revealed?
Probably June 8th. If we do get Mcpake, they can announce new signings etc and use the big man to advertise the strip, seeing as hes already been photographed in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibeesmad