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Originally Posted by Hibercelona
Hearts manager John McGlynn revealed he was resigned to losing the player.
"He's not put pen to paper. It's disappointing to lose him but if good offers come in we need to accept them," he said.
McGlynn also admitted McGowan would not feature in Thursday's Edinburgh derby after the club accepted the offer for the player.
But we read this kind of garbage all the time before derbies. Players who won't feature, magically feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantic
TrueQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
Luke Shanley - Ryan McGowan has left Hearts training ground after saying goodbye to staff. Medical with Shandong Luneng Taishan in the days ahead. #SSN
Aww, nightmare ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Has he even said goodbye to Rima with her golden stick, the pyjama man and the magic box?Quote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Has a fee been announced be nice to see how much Vlad is stiffing out of them this time?
400K Quoted on the Beeb, seems alot to me if he only has a contract till the end of the season at HeartsQuote:
Originally Posted by TRC
The EEN said £250kQuote:
Originally Posted by TRC
Shan dong eh? Sounds like just the club for him.
Heard rumour this morning that Webster on his way to Bristol City so not playing either
No idea whether true
Heard similar.... Mind you I was told the talks are still at preliminary stage so he's likely to be playing tomorrow.... Could be that we know peeps that know the same rumour mongers of course!Quote:
Originally Posted by stuart7-0
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Originally Posted by SMAXXA
This is subject to appearances and other add ons.
I'd expect Hertz to get around £200k.
So, if after the shan 'share issue' they were still circa £1m short of their £2m target, this £200k still leaves them with a shortfall of £800k.Quote:
Originally Posted by WindyMiller
Is that about right?
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Originally Posted by Sergey
That's how I'd see it Sergey.
I had a slash on it one fine spring morning many moons ago, only to get a £30 fine for my troubles. I should have had a dump instead at that price.I was :drunk: I fibbed to the JP. Ahem naw I wisnae.Quote:
Originally Posted by ginger_rice
had the pleasure of doing a multi-coloured yawn on it,early one morning,after leaving Grindley St students union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teo10
Drinking Pernod and blackcurrent at the time(it was early 80's :greengrin),must have looked like a murder next day
Fire sale down Gorgie way over the next month. In fact would not be too surprised to see a mysterious blaze claiming the "historical" stand.
Plenty oxygen will get in to fuel it through the big hole in the roof !! Season ticket holders having to move seats due to it being unsafe !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
Did they not get money from Rangers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
Aye, but they are not telling the piggy bank bandits about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
You sure about this? (my way of saying SOURCE????:greengrin)Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay
But they knew that money was coming and it was already accounted for. It wasn't 'new' money.
Yes that is right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
Now correct me if I'm wrong but homfc have a wage bill of 350k to pay in 14 days time.
The unfortunate thing for them after their share issue and cake sale they are utterly skint.
They still have bonus and appearance money on top of that'.
Add in the tax repayment and day to day costs it is only a matter of time.
To all hibbies going tomorrow make the most of it because it may be the last.:flag:
He might at least have joined a top Chinese teamQuote:
Originally Posted by CallumLaidlaw
Their latest windfall should allow them to pay the delayed bonuses and January's salaries.
Should :wink:
This is my favorite :jamboak: so unless someone has actually curled one down on it YOU WIN:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by jabis
Shan Dong's twitter page has this on it. Pretty funny.
On January 2nd 2013 Shandong had an offer of circa £400000 pounds accepted by Scottish Cup holders, Derby Dominators and the beautifully named Heart of Midlothian, for Australian Defender Ryan McGowan. It is thought that they first became interested in the player when they witnessed his goal scoring efforts when posed with a clear chance 2 yards from goal. McGowan was in the final months of his contract and decided that he fancied his team mates getting paid for the month of January so raised just under half a million pounds for the Edinburgh side. Some sources claim that as he boarded the plane to China to agree personal terms with Shandong, he ran up and down the aisles skipping and waving his arms frantically as he shouted 五個一!!! 五個一!!! 我們只獲得了五個一!!!
Which the Edinburgh Evening News roughly Translated to "Five one!!! Five one!!! We only won Five one!!!"
I know a Hibee who used to work as a builder. He worked on the construction of the home pink bus shelters, he took the opportunity to do a massive steaming pile of kak into the concrete right underneath where someone in the home crowd would have their seat. I imagine this is a popular area of the ground for the Yams to congregate as they look forward to being around or about to be covered in it when it all hits the fan. :******:Quote:
Originally Posted by cocopops1875
The shortfall will also be reduced by whatever McGowan's wages for the rest of the season would have been as they aren't able to sign a replacement. 50-100 thousand saved in addition to the transfer fee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sergey
If RM has to take a pay-cut, it wouldn't surprise me if Hearts have given him an inducement to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballengeich
This deal they cut with HMRC was surely made without this 400k taken into consideration.
If I pleaded poverty, cut a deal then publicly came into money then the taxman would want to renegotiate.
Sky sports showed Mcgowan leaving Riccarton carrying a maroon bag with his belongings in it.
There's class and there's Hearts class
Have you any info to suggest he'd be taking a pay-cut? I thought the Chinese league was on the way up on the back of their economy and was getting people in from Europe because of the money they can offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Originally Posted by peterdouglas
I agree, but he ain't signed yet! :greengrin
Nope.....none at all. Just playing with the speculation about the financial implications.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballengeich
I think the deal would have been made on the basis that HMFC presented a cash-flow statement to HMRC. That is often the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by peterdouglas
In Hearts case, they would have forecast £x for player sales, to enable them to see out the season, and £y for ST sales, to enable them to make the first payment to HMRC.
Such a deal, however, would be on the basis that current PAYE and VAT is kept up to date. With VAT due early this month, and a substantial PAYE payment due on the 22nd, that is by no means certain. If they aren't paid, the normal process is that the agreement is void.
Ryan was on a youth players First contract wage somewhere in the region of 1500 per weekQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
There has been speculation that he will receive up to 15k per week in China.
I cannot verify this exactly but came from the same source that told me he was turning down Rangers at start of season as well as telling me at start of December China would be his destination, I would not imagine it will be much less to have temped him to uproot
I'm surprised at his current wage, but accept what you're saying. In that case, it makes a lot of sense for him. The fee makes sense for the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruno
Thats a convenient salary for you to be speculating about.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruno
Not Sure.. but a yam family friend.. was driving past tincastle earlier today.. just before total darkness
he said that they only had half the floodlights on !!!!
will the game go ahead if its only half of the floodlights that are working ??
He reckons the games getting called off....
i know they would probably be testing the lights - the day etc... :confused:
Crops, I would love to reveal the source but I fear I have already said too much. My info comes from someone I trust implicitly and I have never tried to reveal anything on this forum before. It makes the swindle even more of a swindle now that they have duped the dopes of a mllion.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
No problem. It just adds to the mystique (dare I say, the romance? :greengrin) of the saga that is YamGate.Quote:
Originally Posted by superfurryhibby
sorry that wasn't a poor attempt at wind upQuote:
Originally Posted by bingo70
I was actually told $20k so I made a rough, very rough and prob wrong calculation
I know his current salary was right as hearts had attempted to re negotiate but not to any grat advantage to Ryan. I believe his younger brother is being offered a 2 year extension and despite what some senior players earn the youngsters are generally on shorter contracts with much smaller (and hopefully sustainable) wage
I took a walk past tynie tonight as I have never seen the stadium before and wanted to prepare myself. Couldn't believe my eyes as a delivery truck was LEAVING the ground. You are right, there is just no way the game will go ahead tomorrow...Quote:
Originally Posted by mca
Either the game won't go ahead because they refuse to turn all the lights on (but will just say they are broken).
Or they'll suddenly stop working at half time when we're 3 to the good.
Don't underestimate the dirty tricks this filthy club will pull off.
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Originally Posted by Fantic
So the days of 5 year contracts for youth players who have never sniffed the first team of £40k per annum are over?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruno
Without any income.. Winter break not good for a certain teams finances :cb
Another one off the wage bill.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20911176
Thing is, due to the length of his contract, they shouldn't have had his wages factored into any ongoing budgets after January so, in my opinion, this doesn't really help them much at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Anyone seeing the rumours on Facebook that festers been sacked?
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Originally Posted by JCHibby
Home matches before the split. Dundee, Killie, Inverness, St J. and Ross County. Virtually no away support revenue unless they make the top six.
Very unfortunate that their home fixtures only included one match against us,Celtic and Aberdeen pre-split :greengrin
Bet they blame Petrie !
dinnae dae face(less)book, that would be a real shame though, doin' such a great job and just the type of classless gob***** tae suit that grubby little club.Quote:
Originally Posted by blaikie
Pretty sure there was rumours of him being sacked after failing to win the last derby too, they surely can't afford to be paying people off can they?
Why not? They don't pay anyone when they should ,so a sacked manager will have to take his place in the queue!Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
Edited for accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by M17
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Originally Posted by ****pile
But could they find another manager whose wife would work to keep him ? :greengrin
I would'nt be surprised if they were still due money to Sergio.Quote:
Originally Posted by ****pile
Interesting that there is still no word from China on McGowan putting pen to paper. Could be the reason Sevco are working so hard to destabilise the deal. For a change I wish them a bit of success in this.
The consultation with the lawyers regarding the transfer embargo must not have gone well either as there has been no movement since and yet they still have not paid the bonuses. They must be relying on the money from McGowan to pay January wages which are due a week on Wednesday.
Its been mentioned on here that the Yams VAT bill is due on 7th January and that will take preference over bonuses. Although a payment due on 7th Jan. would tie into a quarter ending 30th November which puts their year end of 30th June out of sequence ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
May'be they get an extra month for the VAT and last seasons bonuses can get paid.
Does anyone know if VAT is due on cake sales ? :greengrin
Surely that's a common occurrence for vat period to run out of sync with the accounting year end? Mine do, vat periods at end of Nov, Feb, May and august as specified by hmrc with accounting year end of 5th April.
This is correct. VAT year does not need to run in sync. with year end.Quote:
Originally Posted by South Sub
Not uncommon. You can request which quarter group to use when you register for VAT but if you don't HMRC allocate one themselves. Accountants usually choose one to coincide with the year end because it makes preparing the accounts a wee bit easier, but HoMFC have recently changed their year end from 31 July to 30 June - neither if which coincide with a November VAT quarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by South Sub
I see, didn't realise you could choose! Maybe I should be paying an accountant...Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
You could write to them yourself to request a change - ask for 'stagger group 1' if you want the March, June , September, December quarters, 2 for Apr, Jly, Oct and Jan and 3 for the others.Quote:
Originally Posted by South Sub
If you do want to pay an accountant though, the bill's in the post.
I take it if they don't make the VAT bill tomorrow then HMRC will move quickly. Great, with two weeks without football this should keep us amused.
Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Caversham Green
I missed that, what are they doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Sally said a couple of days ago they were monitoring the situation, more so to line up potential move when his new proposed contract expires (9 months) which fits nicely with when Sevco can register players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey
He flew out on Wednesday for what was meant to be a medical. Looked done and dusted according to radio Scotland on 2nd Jan.
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Originally Posted by Col2
He has signed a 2 year deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I was one of the ones who wanted Hearts to survive and remain in the SPL as the derbies are always the first fixtures Ilook for in the calendar and I would have loved to see a rsponsibly run Hibs team dominating derbies for years to come over a weakened Hearts side.
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In the last few days I've changed my mind. Their manager and player defending a potential career ending assault (I refuse to call it an attempted challenge) on another player, looking for reasons to rationalise one of their fans throwing a smoke canister at the feet of a six year old child, the reaction the ball boy incident (I was angry with the trumpet in our crowd whn I heard of that but when the 13yo laddie handed himself into the police it should have ended there and at no point should it have decended into threats), showering Hibs fans with coins, the sectarian singing that was clearly heard on TV, the smashing up of the seats and bathrooms at the end of the Scottish cup game and an unbelievable thread over there discussing vandalising the Leith area with stickers before the semi-final game played at our stadium.
Not to mention playing players they can't afford, the late payments, the local businesses that this affects, the songs about Tony Mowbray's wife, the length of time it took to deal with Craig Thomson (and even then he was only punted out on loan).
Most of all it's the arrogance of their fans that have made me change my mind. I know a few Hearts fans and although most are alright there's a couple who if you bring any of that up with them they'll go "5-1, still hurting" when it's not the case. If you're happy to paper over the irresponsible running of your club with the result of a cup final then well done to you. Take a step back and look at the bigger picture of how that result has damn near bankrupted your club and could still do so.
Change my vote to the camp wanting to see that lot go into liquidation.
Fantastic post, I'm torn between them folding or having superiority over them but as the latter is not a defenite then if they die I won't lose a seconds sleep over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Horrible horrible club
Northernhibby
Post of the day.
:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
The amount of Hearts fans I've spoken to who 'would take that result over our future' is crazy. :crazy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
I can only assume it's some sort of defense mechanism to react like that as some sort of justification for the horrible state of their club.
5v1 will be the death of them, not us.
It will and I won't lose a minutes sleep over their demise. It's only a matter of time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
I would rather have killed them with a 5-1 victory.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
so people keep saying but nothing is happening
Nothing is happening?Quote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
Businesses don't just go BANG overnight. It's a slow, painful, process.... and HMFC have been on that road since Chris Robinson splurged the SMG cash on second-rate foreigners.
There is plenty happening.
I think we all know that one way or another, they will find some way to survive. :rolleyes:
Saying "the time is near" is pointless as we'll still be saying it in 10 years time!
Something I noticed on Thursday, is, they don't like it when we do the 5-1 sign back at them. I think it confuses them lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
While I wish that day didn't happen, it did and I'm over it, so doing the 5-1 back at them deprives them about the only thing they have left over us.
maybe,but the impending closure of hearts is just not happening,Rangers sank quick enough and they are far bigger than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
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Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
They will survive as long as Vlad thinks the Yams with a pulse are worth more than the Yam corpse and he has got enough Litas to enable them to dodge the bullets.
Rangers took as long to sink. They started that process the day SDM said "if Celtic spend a fiver, we'll spend a tenner". That was many years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
No we don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
And no we won't.
As CWG points out, the problems that took Rangers there were a long time in the making. Their new owner (after SDM chose to bail out, and avoid the consequences) precipitated their administration and insolvency by choosing not pay tax and VAT in order to fund the playing staff budget. For whatever reason, they chose to go straight down the 'bust' route, rather than try to rescue the existing business by cutting costs / selling stuff. Hearts' choice, thus far, has been to continue to limp on while the vultures circle overhead. Eventually, the vultures (although I prefer to see them as lovable, cute and fluffy agents of justice!) will probably get them, if they don't choose the Rangers bail-out route first. Don't lose heart.:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by weonlywon6-2
Yip! I'm sure every Portsmouth fan would swap that FA Cup they won to be back where they were. Overspending killed that club and we can only hope that it will kill Hearts as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedantic_Hibee
i have a jambo mate who thinks that they're doing well at the moment...he points out that they almost fill their stadium for all home games despite the team on the pitch being of a lower standard than last season...he puts this down to good marketing by vlad...quote 'who else could fill the stadium every week with the team we have?''...apparantly the debt isn't a problem either...quote 'it's the same as it was when he bought the club'....the share issue is seen as a clever way to raise funds while the club trims its overheads...quote 'the threat of closure was a ruse to help raise cash...we were never in danger of really closing'....the future is bright....quote ''we only have to re build one more stand and the stadium is complete'
as for vlad leaving?...quote 'the consortium will get everything for 5 million or less and a share issue will raise enough to keep us competing at the top'
Ostrich logic has a lot going for it. If you can't see the bus coming, you're not gonna worry about it hitting you :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by fat freddy
You can tell me this again in 10 years time if you'd like.Quote:
Originally Posted by einstein
Another thing Portsmouth and Hearts have in common is they are /were owned by a bent Russian who also owned a bankrupt Lithuanian Bank.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHughes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ank-fraud.html
And also both are called Vladimir ! :greengrin
And John Finlay, (remember him?), supports them both!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Interesting, rather than do the "if it doesn't happen by Monday it never will" style argument why not explain your theory as to how Hearts are gonna survive in the same manor ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibercelona
I think you make a very good point there. There are plenty reasons given on this thread why they might not survive and lots of good strong evidence to support them, but very little to support the argument that they will survive. The only possibilities that I can think of are:Quote:
Originally Posted by cocopops1875
Vlad will bale them out - always possible, but all the available evidence suggests that he has neither the will nor the wherewithal to do this. If he was going to he would have done it by now.
A new consortium/buyer will emerge - again possible, but increasingly unlikely as time goes by. The 'consortium' that's currently in the frame appears to have virtually no funds and following the recent debt reassignment we know that UBIG must realise at least £6.8m from the sale of its shareholding. In its current state the club is not worth anything like that amount.
They've always escaped in the past - true, but they've never been in as bad a state as they are right now and past results are no indication of future performance. It's really a non-argument.
They'll scrape along on current funding and by selling players - this strikes me as the most probable outcome, but they have a long way to go. The £2m that they were chasing (now down to about £600k we're told) was simply for survival to the end of the season. After that there won't be any sudden reversal of fortunes, they have to keep those costs down to a minimum for the foreseeable future, and that has to seriously damage their footballing strength.
They may not suddenly go pop (although there's still a strong chance that they will) but at the very least they have a long hard decade or more ahead of them. If anyone has any other avenues of escape for them I'd be happy to debate them.
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Originally Posted by Caversham Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8
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That fact that many would rather history be how it was (5-1) than have a club that lasts their lifetime speaks volumes about their small-minded ness and their unabating obsession with us.
heh heh - post 6805 on the thread!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
A guy in the bowling club who is "something to do with hertz" also said on top of the tax problems & wages etc they have to service the debt to the parent company of £160,000/month which is freakin him out.
I believe that's been defered till the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by c31