If he wins it’s going to be grim for the US but also for everyone else. The tariffs alone will cause a recession globally.Quote:
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If he wins it’s going to be grim for the US but also for everyone else. The tariffs alone will cause a recession globally.Quote:
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She seems to be under performing Biden unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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We may actually witness the start of it tomorrow when BofE meet to review the interest rate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not to mention how bad this will be for Ukraine.
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Not sure how she could have performed better. If the Democrats lose this then a lot of it is down to Biden, but most of it is down to the age old problem of simple people looking for simple answers to difficult questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Two things have hurt more than anything, inflation and immigration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Inflation was a global problem but immigration is on the democrats.
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Trump did say live on Joe Rogan he'd publish the JFK files the first day of him in office. That should be interesting.
You can’t even count on him doing the bad things he says. I doubt it will happen. Who knows? This will be a lot different this time as he only has Trump loyalists around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Is he really going to impose 20% tariffs? Mass deportations?
Only thing that is nailed on is takeover of the DoJ and all his legal problems go away.
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Yup, that'll be his first 3 months taken care of and all the rhetoric surrounding him pardoning himself that goes with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That’s an absolute disaster.
Looking at the movement in odds on bet365, Trump was slight favourite the other day and now 1/150 to win so assume it's all but over.
Fox just called Pennsylvania for Trump. All over now.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
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Projecting ahead in all swing states.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
Utterly, utterly depressing.
This is mad. Utterly mad.
A victory for Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Sadly it looks like he’s done it. Poor, uneducated Americans have done it.
And I’m not saying that as an insult, rather than a fact.
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Yep, look at say Erie, PA. She’s behind with 97% counted. A populous county. There’s just not enough votes.Quote:
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Young American men seem to have done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
Promising people higher wages and lower prices was hitting through. His messaging was simple, repetitive and effective in the last weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
I mean, maybe Trump ‘found’ some votes this time around
:agree: Europe needs to start arming themselves to the teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
Could be bad news for Ukraine and Taiwan.
Kamala has had an absolute shocker.
Shouldn’t be too much of a shock I suppose when she shouldn’t even have been running in the first place.
If we have the US, Russia, and North Korea aligned then I’m not sure what difference that makes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
The democrats have ****ed it again. America is a mysogonist country. There’s a reason young men flooded out for Trump and that there never been a female president. First Clinton then Harris.
Similarly depressing to say, but when you’re up against a troglodyte (albeit a dangerous one) like Trump it’s time to put out a candidate that the electorate will be more likely to vote for, not necessarily the most talented.
And even that is depressing to type.
Very close to victory now.
I don’t think her gender was the issue. Inflation and immigration were the problem.Quote:
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I’m not convinced on that tbh.Quote:
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She’s not even close to being the most talented either.
Bad scene for the Democratic Party.
Either way, I don’t think we’ll see a female candidate for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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Someone needs to change the thread title.
Let's see what the next 4 years of chaos brings us. If we all survive that long.
America is absolutely bat **** crazy arnt they?
Well at least half of it is
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We need to be very, very aware that with Badenoch and Farage plus the force of Russian disinformation farms, we need to be preparing for the next general elections here now.
It would surprise if he just stays long enough to pardon himself and hands it to Vance. Once he’s totally enriched himself first.Quote:
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A huge factorQuote:
Originally Posted by Northernhibee
We won’t though. We’ll just plod along. Starmer will be off to meet him soon and pledge loyalty.Quote:
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Gender and race would be an issue imoQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Nah, leave it for a bit. He struggled when opening the door at his garbage truck stunt the other day. At 78 there's always a chance he'll keel over completely and the world will be rid. :pray:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Can't believe what I'm waking up to this morning. Colllectively America has to be the stupidest country on earth
He will come back as a head in jar like in Futurama.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Against a much more powerful country and a leader who runs on spite, I’m not convinced a world leader calling him out immediately is a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Remembering the phone call that Angela Merkel had with Trump where she basically explained how economics works to him, a kid gloves approach is probably the least worst option.
And again, what a depressing thing to have to type.
Justification for tyrannical leaders worldwide. Turkeys voting avidly for Christmas.
My wife and I lived in Boston and moved to London in December last year due to a new job and having to change visas. We have started the visa process again recently and the intention has always been to move back in 2025.
I think we will continue but will watch closely how things go over the next few months.
You know I have no feelings either way. The public get who they vote for right!Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
That's how it works.
Here labour got in and my god shambles does not come close so you could say UK are equally stupid for believing the lies of labour pre election
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No doubt about thatQuote:
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There are not enough adjectives to express how I feel just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I think the people in the USA who voted for him today will be looking back in a years time and questioning what drove them to vote for Trump.
I am depressed at how depressed I feel over this. I live in Australia, why should I care a toss about how these crazy yanks have voted. But I have a modicum of intelligence to understand the impact this will have on our life over the next 4 years.
What a screwed up world we life in.
After the tories were kicked out I had a little hope Labour would be brave and make the decisions this country needed but that lasted up to the budget and it dawned on me they are all the same, cowards, liars, corrupt.
That reset my expectations to zero and with Trump getting in it doesn’t even scratch the surface.
It’s all about doing what you can for your family and loved ones in my opinion now. When America make stupid decisions like today, you can’t control or influence it. Politics is dead in the US and the UK.
Absolute madness.
Buckle up world as this egotistic narcissistic megalomaniac is about to be unleashed on the world yet again.
Congratulations Trump, deserved.
Absolutely. Opinion polling was clear that they had to go with Michelle Obama to have any chance of beating Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by AugustaHibs
Step out of the limelight, not a cat in hell's chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Calling it now, Trump will change it so he can run for a third term.
Can’t be far away from being official now, he just picked up another ticket.
Don't think he'll live that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
RFK jr being given free rein on health is a pretty scary thought. “Go and have fun” trump tells him….
Every cloud has a silver lining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
The signs were all there and I don't think Harris was ever a serious contender, the fact he has won the popular vote as well is quite telling. The economy is nearly always the most important factor in how people vote, to say people are stupid because they voted to make the economy better is just looking for a simple answer to a complex problem, in some ways the exact thing Trump has done.
For me Trump (and Musk) sweeping to power is the result of years (decades?) of mainstream politicians striving to be the least bad option and people continuing to give tacit approval to that by voting for their favourite least bad candidate rather than demanding someone with a genuine ideological and moral pathway steps forward. We complain about the status quo and the obvious failures of late stage capitalism and neoliberalism but continue to endorse it in 4 or 5 year cycles.Quote:
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Trump is dishonest in so many ways but in other ways what you see is what you get. He blurts out what he believes in. Even his closest advisors must have their head in their hands sometimes but with that said the more outrageous he gets the more popular he becomes, certainly among his core support. Contrast that to UK front bench politicians struggling to define a woman in the lead up to our election. It's not the case of them not knowing what they believe a woman to be, it's a case of being so terrified of saying what they truly believe because it might alienate people who don't believe the same as them that they end up alienating everyone and someone steps in to fill the void. That's one example but our election campaign was littered with such. Ultimately there isn't really that same level of bull**** and evasiveness with someone like Trump. He's a bit racist, a bit sexist, a bit of this and a bit of that and whilst none of that is admirable he's put it on show for the world to see and ask to be judged on it. The verdict is depressing of course.
A Trump victory isn't good for the average American but then I'm not sure a Harris victory was that much better. Decades of the same cyclical Presidents has seen the middle class continuously decimated, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. For all his rhetoric Trump will be as much of a continuation of that as Harris would have been; he'll just give some people a mandate to punch down rather than up when looking for who to blame. In terms of foreign policy he actually seems somewhat less hawkish than a lot of other prominent American politicians. A weird attraction to or veneration of autocrats and dictators certainly but in other ways he seems to hark back to the more isolationist America first politicians of the pre war years rather than the modern day world police.
A depressing result but then it was an even more depressing choice to begin with. Outargeous right wing populist v bland centre right continuation candidate. Hail to the new chief, same as the old one.
They were definitely the two biggest factors. How does any incumbent win after years of huge inflation, near 10% in the US. Years of being financially worse off and prices going through the roof in shops, then the incumbent says have another four years of what you've had. Immigration too which will also be one of the biggest problems for Western governments going forward. They reckon 3 million tried to cross the Mexican border last year with 1 million making it to settle in America, it was a big issue for Americans.Quote:
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Depressing stuff seeing that idiot for the next 5 years if he survives
I agree. I see no sense in blaming the American people. The Dems have taken their eye off the ball and it’s on them.Quote:
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Has any incumbent survived yet?Quote:
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So the mad tango man is getting in again, the world is gonna be ****ed.
Macron but he basically lost but won a coalition, dozens or so major defeats of the top of my head, Germany and Canada will be nextQuote:
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The Republicans are also going to take control of the senate meaning all his bonkers ideas will get a free ride.
And Scotland. Wales might buck the trend but nothing seems to ever change there.Quote:
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Only saving grace is he doesn’t seem to get mich done. He had control of House and Senate first two years last time and achieved nothing. No bills passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I expect the ideas will be madder this time right enough and there will be less people holding them back. Americans might have to take the time to actually read Project 2025.
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I'm not convinced people will look back with any remorse.Quote:
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Trump has popularised all the toxic traits that has him appealing to so many people.
Shame and regret have been replaced with "**** you, I do what I want", and thats all fair and well in a normal society. America is not one of these.
Their grandchildren may wonder WTF were you thinking, but who knows? By then the country will be so polarised and the views that historically were at the very least held in secret will be out in the open.
One such instance from this election was the boat with the Trump and Nazi flags on it. Even 20 years ago these wouldn't have been seen, and the views and flags would be reserved for private nut job meetings, now they're loud and proud.
They are well placed to follow the nazi playbook now. There won’t be a lot stopping them. Will be an interesting watch if nothing else.Quote:
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That's it, he did nothing last time. With him and Musk being tied to the markets they won't do anything shocking although they said they would to get power. He will pardon himself though surely and fill the supreme courtQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm meant to be giving a lecture this morning on international climate policy. I might as well rip it up and take the students to the pub...
Guess it's time to change the name of the thread again.
What a calamitous start to the day.
The senate, yes, but it also depends what happens with the House of Reps – by my count if every remaining race is won by the current leader then the Republicans would end up with a tiny majority, but it appears close enough that it could still go either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
How easy is it for him to lift all the sanctions on Russia? I can see that happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I’m sure he said he’d end the war this week before he was even inaugurated?
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This thread has been going for over 4 years. And we are right back to square 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
All the rape convictions, insurrections, lies and downright awfulness and here we are.
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No - 55%Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yes - 45%
2014
Trump never won this election, the Democrats lost it by making the same stupid mistakes as 2016 and expecting different results.
Countless celebrity endorsements when the average American doesn’t give a crap what they think, creating a narrative that people with concerns about immigration and “woke agendas” are racist and bigoted. Maybe in some cases they are those things but when give or take 50%+ of the population share these concerns you can’t act like that.
Furthermore they put Biden forward as their candidate, surely knowing full well his health had deteriorated to a point where he couldn’t lead and parachuted Harris in. She was the vice president for a very tough economic time for many Americans yet failed to acknowledge this or focus her campaign on the economy, which as a few have already said, is your average punters biggest or even only concern.
I don’t blame them at all for not electing her, it’s just really sad that Trump was the alternative.
I said it a week or so ago but the death of statesmanship is really sad to see. Looking at other recent elections both the winner and runner up were good candidates. The previous presidents, plus the runners up, Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, John McCain, Mitt Romney, all better candidates than what have been on offer on both sides 2016
CBS saying nevada is leaning towards trump, that takes him over the line. How depressing.
It also looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote. I thought he might win the election but I never expected him get the popular vote. Mental.
People are not stupid for voting to make the economy better, they're stupid for thinking Trump will do that. Tearing up trade deals, applying tariffs on imports and building walls has proven to be counterproductive in the past, why should it be any different this time round?Quote:
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It’s a fairly emphatic victory for him. :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
I never had much doubt he would win and I’m surprised so many were convinced Harris would, I didn’t expect it to be as emphatic as it appears it’s going to be though.
Americans were left with two really poor choices imo.
The positive spin would be that at least there wont be any Trump-sponsored terrorism.
There will be, it'll just have the full force of the US authorities behind it. Wait and see.Quote:
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Trump wins Wisconsin - and with it the US electionpublished at 10:33
10:33BREAKING
CBS, the BBC's US partner, is projecting that another swing state has gone to Donald Trump - Wisconsin - meaning he has 276 electoral college votes, more than the 270 needed to win the overall race.
As a result,*Trump is now projected to have won the presidency*and will re-enter the White House as America's 47th president.
It's interesting seeing auditoriums full of cheering maniacs in favour of both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Pretty much every American I've met for the past few years has been fairly aghast at the choice that was looking to await them, especially when it looked like it was going to be Biden or Trump again.
They need to get their act together. For all their problems, I still think of America as being great rather than needing to be great again and you'd think that a nation of 320 million or so could do much better to put up credible candidates than they have of late.
There it is, Trump is the 47th president.
Harris will surely concede soon.
Very poor from her not to take the stage at her “victory party” last night onece the result was looking unpromising. Folk have campaigned for you and traveled to see the result come in. At least take the stage for a minute to thank them.
Who would have thought that a criminal could be the president of the US ?
With more serious charges to come. Truly the land of opportunity.
Dow Jones futures up over 1,000 points and heading to record high. Anyone with a 401K plan in the US will be richer. There are about 70M 401Ks held by US citizens.Quote:
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It’s US foreign and economic policy that directly affects the U.K. The EU will get hammered with tariffs. It’s up to Starmer to woo the Trumpians otherwise we are truly stuffed outside both the EU and American markets.
As for Ukraine, Putin must be on the voddy after this result. Best hope is a ceasefire and a Korean/ Cypriot style de facto border. No chance the EU and U.K. will give enough funding to Ukraine to continue the war. A 180° from Trump is also possible I suppose. He’s unpredictable.
Americans get what they deserve,Trump will be on the phone with his fellow dictators Putin and Kim jong un,the world is in a darker place today.
Not any more, he's now in charge of the DOJ he will put his own folk in that will drop them and the others will be halted til he is no longer presidentQuote:
Originally Posted by pollution
i think reducing this to nationhood is a big mistake. this is a wave that has emerged from capitalistic greed and liberal hubris, and it will be here soon (if it isn't already). i know loads of people here in Scotland that in the past would have never voted Tory, who are actually happy to see Trump win...not just happy but gloating.Quote:
Originally Posted by H18S NX
The problem IMO is simply that liberal democracy is incapable of compartmentalising its problems anymore. it's socialism or barbarism now, but socialism needs to re-invent itself into something inclusive and not elitist and authoritarian. Yanis Varoufakis (the former Greek finance minister) is the only person I've come across who seems to have any solutions, and i'd definitely recommend his books to anyone (the latest one, 'Technofeudalism', is worth a read - would also recommend his series 'In the Eye of the Storm').
Hard to see bright sides this morning, but I think he is due to be sentenced for one of his convictions now that the election is over. Judge delayed it purely on basis it might interfere with the electoral process. Not sure how that gets scrapped.Quote:
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president JD Vance on the Horizon
what have the Americans just done :(
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Bill Foley will be delighted.
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....Forgot about that Tw@t.Quote:
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As will all billionaires which says it all really.Quote:
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He can pardon himself anyway. He has full immunity to act how he pleases.Quote:
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All federal proceedings are over.
Theoretically state prosecutions can continue, but in reality state courts will crumble in a battle with a vengeful president elect. The Supreme Court has given him cover to pass any executive order he likes to bar future proceedings against him… and no doubt commit many more crimes.
This isn’t about left v right but the rule of law and democracy.
Trump’s false accusations about ‘weaponising the justice system’ will come true: he’ll be the one doing it.
The Dollar & Bitcoin will now surge after Trumps win.
Ahm in the huff with Ozy, he promised this wouldn't happen!
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