Men in white coats applying the best possible science.Quote:
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Men in white coats applying the best possible science.Quote:
Originally Posted by heretoday
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New York cops had to break up a mass gathering at a funeral .. for a rabbi that had died from Coronavirus!!
Only in America
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/28/n...de-blasio.html
https://twitter.com/danielnewman/sta...814215170?s=21
States start to fall apart when the lose the monopoly on the use of force. America heading in a dangerous direction.
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Oh dear, maybe some of those gunmen will catch it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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If they were black they’d have been shot by police before they got to the front door!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
He’s fuelled the story about the virus starting from a Wuhan lab overnight by saying he’s seen evidence suggesting that’s the case - in direct contradiction to what his own security organisations have said.
Who to believe. :hmmm:
I posted a link to a poll a week or so ago reporting 29% of Americans believe the lab conspiracy theory. Deflect,blame, repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
This is part of the problem now He is so consummate now at lying and using the term Fake News ,thst when he may be correct you tend to dismiss himQuote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
They two posts from the Japanese Professor is a good example
One saying here is the evidence to say it’s a Man Made Virus
The other refuting he was responsible for that post
Our Goverment says we are sticking just now to Lockdown But new Flights are today leaving from Luton Airport on top of the thousands that have continued unabated since lockdown started
Wetherspoons tweet we will be open in June etc etc
Don’t wear Masks , Wear Masks
The level of Speeding Traffic on the roads in paisley yesterday after Nicola reinforced it was growing too fast and wasn’t all essential ,confirms more people are taking risks and perhaps putting others at risk
I haven’t seen much Police presence at all during Lockdown so it gives the impression that we aren’t really serious about enforcing lockdown
If the R rate starts creeping up we will find ourselves back in a more severe lockdown
If people would only stick to what’s being asked we could of got F rate in Scotland down to 0 .25 and then been in a great position to plan for and relax lockdown properly
I do hope people start pulling back and listen and act
It’s people being Selfish that will possibly undermine all the good work we have done
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38% of Americans would not drink Corona beer for fear of infection. A further 16% were confused as to whether it would lead to infection.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Pretty worrying stuff in the state's just now with armed "militia" (terrorists if they had been any other colour) in the Michigan state building. Sadly they seem to have the support of the president.
Trump's a loose cannon, but I don't think National Intelligence have ruled out the outbreak being due to an accident in a Wuhan lab? What they have ruled out is it being man-made or genetically modified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
The Office of the Director of National Intelligence said: “The intelligence community will continue to rigorously examine emerging information and intelligence to determine whether the outbreak began through contact with infected animals or if it was the result of an accident at a laboratory in Wuhan.”
Well I am drinking it by the case loads d never felt betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn
It’s completely irrational
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So the virus just happened to naturally evolve in a test tube in a Wuhan lab? I'm too thick to understand what you're getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
It means the Chinese may have been studying the virus in the lab and safety protocols weren't followed which allowed the virus to escape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
There is a precedent for it happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
There was a death from Smallpox in 1978 in Birmingham, the lady involved worked in a building which had a lab studying the disease and it was traced to there. 300 people were quarantined and that saved us from a wider outbreak.
In 2014 the FDA quite literally found a box of vials containing live smallpox virus that was unaccounted for. They were transported in an unapproved way and one was broken. Thankfully it was a control specimen.
The CDC inadvertently sent H5N1 samples to a lab and that was only discovered when the lab in question got unexpected results from an experiment. Add to that 75 employees from the same organisation were suspected of being exposed to anthrax the same year.
In recent years in China there has been scandals involving both contaminated baby milk and faulty vaccines. Both were the subject of attempted cover ups.
I don't believe it's what has happened here but it's undoubtedly something that can and does happen.
Extract from Guardian. WHO reports numerous scientists assured virus is natural. Think I know who I believe.
The executive director of the World Health Organization reiterated that the group believes coronavirus came about naturally, despite Trump’s dubious claims that he has seen evidence it was created in a Chinese government lab.
“We have listened again and again to numerous scientists who looked at the sequences and looked at this virus and we are assured that this virus is natural in origin,” WHO executive director Michael J. Ryan said Friday.
Just yesterday, Trump claimed he had seen evidence that coronavirus was made in a lab in China’s Wuhan region, which saw the first outbreak of the virus. Asked what evidence he had seen, Trump said, “I can’t tell you that. I’m not allowed to tell you that.”
The president’s comments came hours after the office of the director of national intelligence said in a statement that the intelligence community “concurs with the wide scientific consensus that the Covid-19 virus was not manmade or genetically modified”.
That is completely untrue. He said he believed it originated from the lab, meaning the point I raised a few posts up comes into play.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Smallpox has been with us for at least 4000 years and has been cultivated, cured and used as a biological weapon, there will be strains of it kept in laboratories around the world and is estimated to have killed over 300 million people in the 20th century alone. Covid19 is a new virus that mutated in a way that makes humans sick, those are scientific facts widely agreed upon by the scientific community. The chances that Wuhan Covid19 mutated, transferred to humans, was recognized, then contained and eradicated but somehow kept in a test tube in China without the world knowing and then spread from a laboratory accidentally is not just far fetched, it's mental and the chances that Donald Trump meant exactly that in his utterances are next to zero. If this virus mutated from animals and wasn't produced in a lab then it has spread from patient zero and not from a lab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
I'm not disagreeing with you. I did try to make it clear in my last sentence I thought it was very unlikely that it was the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
As I said earlier in the thread part of Trumps problem (I was going to say biggest problem but that would be bollocks) is that he just goes off on a tangent when he gets an idea in his head, the idea being totally ridiculous doesn't matter.
Much like with the disinfectant stuff (I've read analysis he may have been referring to ozone therapy, a controversial topic) I think this is something that has been put in his head and it's easier to run with that for him than to try and get his tiny brain around the actual scale and process of what has happened.
I'll clarify that shouldn't be read as any kind of defence of Trump, I assumed it was clear enough last time I said similar but it seems painting someone as a total idiot can be defined as a defence.
I certainly never thought you were in anyway defending him, apologies if I've somehow given you that impression. However those who are are comically pitiful. Trump says something outlandish and then there's a whole army of apologists chewing over the semantics of what he spews out looking for a hidden sensible meaning in the words spoken by the messiah. The same phenomena is now happening with Boris Johnson and this Tory government, their utterly farcical management of the Covid19 crisis is inexcusable, yet there are people queueing up to do so in the most ridiculous manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
100% agree. It's a really worrying trend, and the manipulation of a willing media is really, really dangerous and depressing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
We are at a stage where people who openly act in a way that, in days gone by, would have destroyed careers or put them in jail, and instead of that their acts and words are swept under the carpet.
Yes that was my reading of it. The lab in question was, IIRC, focused on research into bat coronaviruses and as you say, the NI statement suggests they want to eliminate the possiblity of accidental transmission.Quote:
Originally Posted by HFC_NYC
Personally I find it hard to imagine we'll ever have a definitive answer on where or, perhaps more importantly, when the virus orginated bearing in mind how long Beiging appears to have delayed announcing its emergence. If it really did start its spread as early as last September, the world was pretty much screwed long before anyone was able to try to prevent global infection.
As an aside, I hadn't realised human coronaviruses have been around since the 1960s:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
I believe the South Koreans were so well prepared this time round due to an outbreak there in 2015 when one returning businessman infected 600 people of whom around 35 died. They initially thought it was MERS but after studying it identified it as Mers-covid. From their study they worked out that you needed massive stocks of PPE and tests. This they set about to achieve and is why they never went into lockdown and have had few deaths compared to other countries. This would seem to say to me that this virus has been mutating for years and it was only a matter of time till this happened. It also points out how utterly incompetent some governments are at prioritising things.
Meanwhile, as the South Koreans were looking after their citizens, Boris was giving a speech about a superman style of government who could make a profit during all this.
FT’s take on the governments handling of PPE today is interesting. They suggest the advise on PPE wasn’t based on science but on what they actually had access to. To be blunt they were lying about what was safe for PR reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAsHellas
He's losing it day by day, just watched his latest broadcast or outburst. He seems to be more tanned and more bleached hair and talking more crap than ever. Can he get even more crazy before being removed?
With US deaths are nearing 80,000 and the country’s unemployment rate has risen to 14.7%, President Trump has tweeted nearly 40 times this morning, giving his administration “great marks” for his handling of the pandemic.
The man is an idiot. It's all about him!!
I try and avoid listening to him, reading his tweets, watching interviews or anything that gives him a platform. He just makes me so angry every time he opens his mouth.
I have been talking to an American friend who is living in Trumpland in Missouri, He's an absolute Democrat and a Bernie Sanders campaigner. He reckons Trump will be massively reelected. How depressing is thatQuote:
Originally Posted by HibernianJK
Way over 40 by the end of the day including yet more outlandish theories and promoting the reopening of his golf course in LA.Quote:
Originally Posted by theonlywayisup
Sanders fans are reluctant to say anything positive about Biden and even more recently with the rumours spreading. I don’t think there’s anyway it’s a convincing victory. It’s going to be close.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
FWIW, I was a Bernie fan, but since he’s out the running I would be backing Biden without a moments hesitation. The need the Democratic Party to unite behind Biden.