Josh Campbell

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Originally Posted by flash

Not a great fan of these threads personally but each to their own.

He is a young man who lives and breathes Hibs and has done so all his life just like many of us. He also knocks his pan in every match without fail and has contributed several important moments to the team both with goals and assists.

Clearly his passing could improve but he has put through one or two fantastic balls in his time so he is capable, just needs to find some consistency.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do.

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up.

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Great post.

I like that he's obviously made of tough stuff and I like that he's stayed for a while with the prospect of him staying longer.

His game has weaknesses that have been well documented here but with time, coaching and game experience he can improve on them and become a better player. He's already evolved a fair bit and whilst I already rate him, I'd be confident that with the right manager, coaching team and players around him he could on to be an even better player.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You can’t play the position Campbell does and get away with not being creative.

Playing as the most advanced midfielder you need to be and, if you’re not, you’re not going to make a decent career in that position IMO.

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He had 8 goals last year with 4 or 5 assist's . I fully expect him to beat his goal tally this season and hit double figures. It was rumoured that Italian clubs were watching him earlier and if he does I think it's quite possible he will get a decent move and have a decent career .Campbell's not been one of the problems with the Hibs midfield though Henderson and JDH on the other hand have been imo .

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

He had 8 goals last year with 4 or 5 assist's . I fully expect him to beat his goal tally this season and hit double figures. It was rumoured that Italian clubs were watching him earlier and if he does I think it's quite possible he will get a decent move and have a decent career .Campbell's not been one of the problems with the Hibs midfield though Henderson and JDH on the other hand have been imo .

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I think he’s been a big part of the problem in the middle of the park as he doesn’t contribute anywhere nearly consistently enough. Goals and assists look decent on the face of it last season but they were spread across 8 games meaning there was 33 games where he didn’t manage any significant attacking contribution. And when he’s not doing that, the rest of his game isn’t good enough to make up for it.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

17 in 127

39 assists

Campbell has 13 in 87

9 assists

Lets not be silly and compare these 2 players.

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I bow to no one in my admiration for Scotty but most of his goals came against lower league opposition.

Big fan of Josh. Think he’s clearly been carrying a knock this season but he’s a goal scoring midfielder who has the engine to be effective at both ends of the park.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You can’t play the position Campbell does and get away with not being creative.

Playing as the most advanced midfielder you need to be and, if you’re not, you’re not going to make a decent career in that position IMO.

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You have to remember that Josh only regularly played in the more advanced role in the 2nd half of the season. Our team was all over the place early on.To put things in perspective, Melkersen, Jair, Henderson and Kenneh all started our 1st league game of last season. Josh scored off the bench from a set piece.

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Originally Posted by brog

You have to remember that Josh only regularly played in the more advanced role in the 2nd half of the season. Our team was all over the place early on.To put things in perspective, Melkersen, Jair, Henderson and Kenneh all started our 1st league game of last season. Josh scored off the bench from a set piece.

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Even if you were to split the season in half it doesn’t make much of a difference. Half of his goal contributions were in 4 games in the first half of the season and 4 in the second half of the season. He tended to have a bit of a flurry then not do very much for a while thereafter. He had that freakishly good game at home to Aberdeen in January which contributed to a third of his goals and assists for the season.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I think he’s been a big part of the problem in the middle of the park as he doesn’t contribute anywhere nearly consistently enough. Goals and assists look decent on the face of it last season but they were spread across 8 games meaning there was 33 games where he didn’t manage any significant attacking contribution. And when he’s not doing that, the rest of his game isn’t good enough to make up for it.

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When he's not scoring he's still working his socks off for the team defending , Blocking passes / shots , tackling . Considering Maloney had him playing as a DM were he looked awful the improvement in Campbell has been remarkably and without some of his goals last year which were crucial we'd have probably 5 or 6 points less ! .

He's had a injury this year which he's had to play with which probably has had a bearing on his performances so far and let's be honest at 23 years he's got time to improve also unlike Newell at 30 . He's also contributed far far more than JDH too . If Campbell scores double figures and chips in with a few assists and shows the same excellent workrate and energy I will be more than happy with him TBH . We have far worse Midfielders than josh on our books imo .

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Even if you were to split the season in half it doesn’t make much of a difference. Half of his goal contributions were in 4 games in the first half of the season and 4 in the second half of the season. He tended to have a bit of a flurry then not do very much for a while thereafter. He had that freakishly good game at home to Aberdeen in January which contributed to a third of his goals and assists for the season.

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If you're going to dig in to the goals, maybe be less selective.

Big goals against Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen. Goals in Europe to save our blushes. Saving us on opening day last season after an embarrassing league cup capitulation. These are meaningful contributions in high pressure games. Suitably, I believe SDG done a good bit of one on one work with him, and he had a similar knack of saving his goals for such occasions.

I don't know if he fits in to NMs system, but as a player and a man, I reckon he'll be someone he'll be looking to get the best out of.

There is a space for Josh in our squad. That’s all that matters. He’s clearly not in the get rid category. If he is our squad will be top class

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Originally Posted by 500miles

If you're going to dig in to the goals, maybe be less selective.

Big goals against Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen. Goals in Europe to save our blushes. Saving us on opening day last season after an embarrassing league cup capitulation. These are meaningful contributions in high pressure games. Suitably, I believe SDG done a good bit of one on one work with him, and he had a similar knack of saving his goals for such occasions.

I don't know if he fits in to NMs system, but as a player and a man, I reckon he'll be someone he'll be looking to get the best out of.

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I’m not being selective, I’ve acknowledged all of his goals. And by the way, he scored some very good and very important goals as well. My issue is that his positive contributions are infrequent and there are far too many games for me where he fails to contribute enough.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

I’m not being selective, I’ve acknowledged all of his goals. And by the way, he scored some very good and very important goals as well. My issue is that his positive contributions are infrequent and there are far too many games for me where he fails to contribute enough.

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I put this up on the thread already, it's well worth watching josh defending, blocking , tackling and a excellent pass into Youan for Boyle's goal . Josh covers so much of the pitch even when he's not scoring . I suppose even when I see a player having a bad game though giving it 100% I'm relatively happy, josh always gives us that imo .
https://youtu.be/-lUNS2Tz60E?si=-_6F7EgijPWQhptE

Josh Campbell is the kind of midfielder other SPFL clubs seemed to unearth that weren’t world beaters but could be a right pain in the arse when playing against Hibs.

They might not dominate a game or be the perfect all-rounder, but they’d have a real knack for picking up important goals, making late runs into the box and clinching games at vital times. I’m thinking Paul McGowan, Liam Craig, Ali Crawford, Craig Sibbald (at Falkirk), etc. You rarely thought they looked outstanding in a game, but they just seemed to be able to get a toe on something.

I’m confident that under our new and hopefully better coach, Josh will excel. I think he’s better than the players I’ve mentioned above and he’s capable of having a very respectable career with us.

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Originally Posted by Vault Boy

Josh Campbell is the kind of midfielder other SPFL clubs seemed to unearth that weren’t world beaters but could be a right pain in the arse when playing against Hibs.

They might not dominate a game or be the perfect all-rounder, but they’d have a real knack for picking up important goals, making late runs into the box and clinching games at vital times. I’m thinking Paul McGowan, Liam Craig, Ali Crawford, Craig Sibbald (at Falkirk), etc. You rarely thought they looked outstanding in a game, but they just seemed to be able to get a toe on something.

I’m confident that under our new and hopefully better coach, Josh will excel. I think he’s better than the players I’ve mentioned above and he’s capable of having a very respectable career with us.

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The St Mirren #6 O'Hara is in that category. I'd take him at Hibs.

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Originally Posted by Daily Hibs

The St Mirren #6 O'Hara is in that category. I'd take him at Hibs.

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RATHER # 32 ::flag::flag:

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Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

Campbell's games not about spreading passes about or being creative . He's a worker with great energy and stamina and he does a lot of work both ends of the field though primarily he will get himself in the box and get goals at times . Could he improve on certain aspects of his game ? I've no doubt about it though I'm sure there's things all our Midfielders could improve on even Newell as well.

Look at Newells goalscoring record over his career , it isn't great tbh , I'm sure he'd like to improve on it . He has 3 assists this year in 8 competitive games so far . I know of one that came from a corner he took , don't know of the other two though , maybe that's another area he'd like to improve on too !

You mentioned comparing Allan and Campbell as silly now you say you can , very confusing tbh , personally I think your right comparing Allan and Campbell or Newell and Campbell is silly tbh . Different types , different attributes . All good players but nothing alike .

I wasn't actually trying to convince you on Campbell though imo at the moment our 3 most important Midfielders are Jeggo , Newell and Campbell for totally different reasons . Take Campbell out and we have a lack of goals from midfield!

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The truth is, while they may play different roles, Campbell simply isn't as good as Newell, and certainly not Allan. He must improve.

He scores a few goals and works hard. That isn't good enough long term.

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Originally Posted by flash

Not a great fan of these threads personally but each to their own.

He is a young man who lives and breathes Hibs and has done so all his life just like many of us. He also knocks his pan in every match without fail and has contributed several important moments to the team both with goals and assists.

Clearly his passing could improve but he has put through one or two fantastic balls in his time so he is capable, just needs to find some consistency.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do.

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up.

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Great post!

To pick up on a couple of your points.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do. Yes, I've said this many times. Why would I want my son to play in an environment when he's constantly being criticised. I understand it will happen with opposition fans, but your own teams supporters. Baffling!

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up. When I read posts from those who are constantly negative about our footballers, I begin to think that they must be so perfect in everything what they do that they feel the need for constant, never ending criticism of others, only seeing the negatives. I imagine they must be a joy to work with. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by flash

Not a great fan of these threads personally but each to their own.

He is a young man who lives and breathes Hibs and has done so all his life just like many of us. He also knocks his pan in every match without fail and has contributed several important moments to the team both with goals and assists.

Clearly his passing could improve but he has put through one or two fantastic balls in his time so he is capable, just needs to find some consistency.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do.

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up.

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Totally agree great post. He genuinely is one of our own.

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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

Great post!

To pick up on a couple of your points.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do. Yes, I've said this many times. Why would I want my son to play in an environment when he's constantly being criticised. I understand it will happen with opposition fans, but your own teams supporters. Baffling!

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up. When I read posts from those who are constantly negative about our footballers, I begin to think that they must be so perfect in everything what they do that they feel the need for constant, never ending criticism of others, only seeing the negatives. I imagine they must be a joy to work with. :rolleyes:

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Two great points also.

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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

Great post!

To pick up on a couple of your points.

We all clamour for our kids to make it to the first team then, as often as not, they become the whipping boys when they do. Yes, I've said this many times. Why would I want my son to play in an environment when he's constantly being criticised. I understand it will happen with opposition fans, but your own teams supporters. Baffling!

Nothing wrong with voicing opinions of course, this is a fans' forum after all, but not sure there's any need for some of the more extreme criticism he picks up. When I read posts from those who are constantly negative about our footballers, I begin to think that they must be so perfect in everything what they do that they feel the need for constant, never ending criticism of others, only seeing the negatives. I imagine they must be a joy to work with. :rolleyes:

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Your son would get criticised at every team, it's not a Hibs thing, or an age thing, it's a football thing.

Anyway, Josh Campbell is not a kid, he's 23 years old. He's the same age John McGinn was when he moved to Villa. The way some people go on about him, you'd think he was a teenager.

Some of the criticism of him is overly harsh, some of the praise is overly complimentary. Welcome to football fans opinions.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

The truth is, while they may play different roles, Campbell simply isn't as good as Newell, and certainly not Allan. He must improve.

He scores a few goals and works hard. That isn't good enough long term.

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Scot Allan had plenty of horrible games for Hibs. Plenty. He was the epitome of a luxury player. Some bit of greatness but loads of nothingness also.

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Originally Posted by easty

Your son would get criticised at every team, it's not a Hibs thing, or an age thing, it's a football thing.

Anyway, Josh Campbell is not a kid, he's 23 years old. He's the same age John McGinn was when he moved to Villa. The way some people go on about him, you'd think he was a teenager.

Some of the criticism of him is overly harsh, some of the praise is overly complimentary. Welcome to football fans opinions.

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I don’t have a problem with people airing their views online, but what I don’t get is audible abuse being shouted at players during a match, you would have to have really thick skin to be able to ignore it. This sort of ‘criticism’ should be discouraged as someone already playing under par, won’t improve.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Scot Allan had plenty of horrible games for Hibs. Plenty. He was the epitome of a luxury player. Some bit of greatness but loads of nothingness also.

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Thats nonsense. He was a crucial player for us - far from a luxury. I agree he had a few poor games - hardly loads. And most of those were when Hecky somehow thought it was a good idea to play him on the right wing. Crazy. Scott Allan is right up there as one of the most talented players seen in a Hibs shirt in the past 30 years. No question.

Why his name’s even being mentioned on a Josh Campbell thread I’m not really sure.

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Originally Posted by Victor

I don’t have a problem with people airing their views online, but what I don’t get is audible abuse being shouted at players during a match, you would have to have really thick skin to be able to ignore it. This sort of ‘criticism’ should be discouraged as someone already playing under par, won’t improve.

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I don't think there is a particularly audible problem with folk shouting abuse at our players.

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Originally Posted by tamig

Thats nonsense. He was a crucial player for us - far from a luxury. I agree he had a few poor games - hardly loads. And most of those were when Hecky somehow thought it was a good idea to play him on the right wing. Crazy. Scott Allan is right up there as one of the most talented players seen in a Hibs shirt in the past 30 years. No question.

Why his name’s even being mentioned on a Josh Campbell thread I’m not really sure.

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Im not sure why also - as he's nothing at all like Josh. But he's often held up as this unbelievable footballer. He was at times. But it wasn't consistent.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Scot Allan had plenty of horrible games for Hibs. Plenty. He was the epitome of a luxury player. Some bit of greatness but loads of nothingness also.

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This isn't really true. Scott Allan was miles more consistent than Josh Campbell.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

This isn't really true. Scott Allan was miles more consistent than Josh Campbell.

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I'm not measuring them together tho. But Scott was very inconsistent. He was subbed in loads of his games in his first season with us. He's not an example for consistency. Joe Newell is.

Paul Allen and Vinny Samways were vital parts of Spurs 1991 cup winning side.

Were they as "good" as Paul Gasgoine? No-one would pass up the chance of signing Gasgoine for either Samways or Allen, but they were still excellent players.

Writing off Josh Campbell because he wasn't as "good" as Scott Allan is completely missing the point.

I'm of a mind to delete the thread altogether. I started it as a positive observation about what Josh can bring to the team, and my opinion that Montgomery will appreciate his energy, commitment and graft.

To then see ignorant comments appear alleging that he's "just not good enough" is disappointing, if not predictable.

I think Josh will flourish under NM. Others may think otherwise but there's no need to denigrate him.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Paul Allen and Vinny Samways were vital parts of Spurs 1991 cup winning side.

Were they as "good" as Paul Gasgoine? No-one would pass up the chance of signing Gasgoine for either Samways or Allen, but they were still excellent players.

Writing off Josh Campbell because he wasn't as "good" as Scott Allan is completely missing the point.

I'm of a mind to delete the thread altogether. I started it as a positive observation about what Josh can bring to the team, and my opinion that Montgomery will appreciate his energy, commitment and graft.

To then see ignorant comments appear alleging that he's "just not good enough" is disappointing, if not predictable.

I think Josh will flourish under NM. Others may think otherwise but there's no need to denigrate him.

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I don't think there's anything ignorant about having the opinion that Campbell isn't good enough.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Paul Allen and Vinny Samways were vital parts of Spurs 1991 cup winning side.

Were they as "good" as Paul Gasgoine? No-one would pass up the chance of signing Gasgoine for either Samways or Allen, but they were still excellent players.

Writing off Josh Campbell because he wasn't as "good" as Scott Allan is completely missing the point.

I'm of a mind to delete the thread altogether. I started it as a positive observation about what Josh can bring to the team, and my opinion that Montgomery will appreciate his energy, commitment and graft.

To then see ignorant comments appear alleging that he's "just not good enough" is disappointing, if not predictable.

I think Josh will flourish under NM. Others may think otherwise but there's no need to denigrate him.

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I agree. Lets be more positive!!