Managerial Sack Race

JR out, Big Dunc in

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Originally Posted by jacomo

You’ve neatly encapsulated the weird, irrational dislike for him right here.

No one’s ramming anything down your throat - you just refuse to accept that the timing of his sacking was a mistake.

He deserved to lead his Hibs team out at Hampden again last December - if he’d lost that final (likely) and things hadn’t picked up then he would have gone.

Im certainly not blind to his faults as a manager but take no joy in seeing him struggle. He seems like a decent guy and overall did a decent job for us.

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I don't think that's the issue here. I didn't want us to sack Jack Ross and I was disappointed when we did, however the amount of people on here and in the media who were desperate for Jack Ross to be a big success at Dundee Utd, so that they could say..."Hibs are a shambles" has made it quite pleasing that he is doing such a terrible job at Tannadice. I have no hatred or even dislike of Jack Ross, I actually quite like Dundee Utd, but I am still thoroughly enjoying the car crash that is there season so far. :greengrin So yes I am taking Joy at seeing him struggle, despite the fact that he is a decent guy. That's what being a petty, slavering football fan is all about :na na::flag::flag:

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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby

I don't think that's the issue here. I didn't want us to sack Jack Ross and I was disappointed when we did, however the amount of people on here and in the media who were desperate for Jack Ross to be a big success at Dundee Utd, so that they could say..."Hibs are a shambles" has made it quite pleasing that he is doing such a terrible job at Tannadice. I have no hatred or even dislike of Jack Ross, I actually quite like Dundee Utd, but I am still thoroughly enjoying the car crash that is there season so far. :greengrin So yes I am taking Joy at seeing him struggle, despite the fact that he is a decent guy. That's what being a petty, slavering football fan is all about :na na::flag::flag:

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That's where I am except I don't quite like Dundee United. 😀

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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby

I don't think that's the issue here. I didn't want us to sack Jack Ross and I was disappointed when we did, however the amount of people on here and in the media who were desperate for Jack Ross to be a big success at Dundee Utd, so that they could say..."Hibs are a shambles" has made it quite pleasing that he is doing such a terrible job at Tannadice. I have no hatred or even dislike of Jack Ross, I actually quite like Dundee Utd, but I am still thoroughly enjoying the car crash that is there season so far. :greengrin So yes I am taking Joy at seeing him struggle, despite the fact that he is a decent guy. That's what being a petty, slavering football fan is all about :na na::flag::flag:

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I think Ross comes across as an arrogant ******** and I’m delighted that he’s failing so far with Dundee Utd.

I couldn’t take to him at all as Hibs manager and when I heard him being interviewed before and after the Utd European games it reminded me why.

I also completely agree with you regarding the narrative if he’d done well with Utd, would be constant told you so posts from the people that didn’t want him sacked. I appreciated im guilty of doing the same thing by posting a told you so post when he’s failing but I’m ok with that.

I've got absolutely no desire for Dundee United or Jack Ross to do well. I rate him highly as a manager but he's not ours anymore. His team are competing with us. Dundee United and Ross failing is only a good thing for Hibs and that's all I'm interested in.

It’s like he’s started off where he left us - toothless up front and powerless at the back despite some decent players.

I was a JR fan and didn't think it was the right call to sack him when we did however that's past history now. I'm really happy with how things are progressing under LJ, though we're still a work in progress, and any success Dundee Utd would have had would have been used to beat Hibs with in the media so I'm afraid to say it doesn't bother me too much that they don't have their troubles to seek.

It wasn't just the media, there were plenty on here when they signed Fletcher saying it was the type of signing we needed to make, same with their midfield players while totally writing off our signing before we'd even seen them kick a ball. I'm far happier seeing our signings and the new manager do well than be proven right about Ross being a good manager.

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I don't like Ross.

His team bored me to tears.
His decision to use his post match interview after an insipid semi final defeat to settle scores with the media (the same media that give him an easy ride btw) annoyed me.
His insistence on setting up the same way against St Johnstone repeatedly, culminating in a cup final performance that made the 5-1 loss look positively spirited, was bordering on unforgivable.

When he left I'd have been quite happy to accept it was done, cup final no shows aren't quite Terry Butcher levels of disaster, if it hadn't have been for the insistence among some fans and his pals in the media that he was actually brilliant and his sacking was entirely down to spoiled and entitled Hibs fans. I didn't want him sacked but I can see why it happened. We were on a horrendous run and he showed absolutely no signs of turning it around, if anything we were getting worse when he was punted.

If this continues at Dundee Utd then it will be 3 sackings from his last 3 jobs. It might just drop then that he's a bit one dimensional.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I don't like Ross.

His team bored me to tears.
His decision to use his post match interview after an insipid semi final defeat to settle scores with the media (the same media that give him an easy ride btw) annoyed me.
His insistence on setting up the same way against St Johnstone repeatedly, culminating in a cup final performance that made the 5-1 loss look positively spirited, was bordering on unforgivable.

When he left I'd have been quite happy to accept it was done, cup final no shows aren't quite Terry Butcher levels of disaster, if it hadn't have been for the insistence among some fans and his pals in the media that he was actually brilliant and his sacking was entirely down to spoiled and entitled Hibs fans. I didn't want him sacked but I can see why it happened. We were on a horrendous run and he showed absolutely no signs of turning it around, if anything we were getting worse when he was punted.

If this continues at Dundee Utd then it will be 3 sackings from his last 3 jobs. It might just drop then that he's a bit one dimensional.

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Brilliant post

I didn’t like him either

I don't wish Jack Ross any ill will but it wouldn't surprise me if he'd left DU.

Tactically, he's one of the worst I've ever seen here. Turged football with absolutely no game plan and he never learned from his mistakes.

If he is gone, I reckon it'll be his last Management Job. I've always thought he'd be far more suited to a football administrator role.

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Originally Posted by supermcginn

It's all over twitter that he's away. Interesting if true.

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Some rumours of a player pressure and big fall outs.

Probably rubbish but that's from Utd fans

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

There’s nothing weird or irrational and I dont dislike him at all, I’ve never met him. His team was dreadful to watch imo and also in alot of others opinion. I was completely losing interest in watching us under him, as were others, so I’d say my feelings on him are actually quite rational. I didn’t enjoy watching my football team whilst he was manager so im hardly going to hold him in high regard from a football point of view, am I?

I said previously I hope he fails and that it’s because it makes the chances of Hibs being succesful higher. I was met with responses telling me to **** off or calling me a weirdo. So yes, the idea that you simply must want him to be a success (despite the fact it makes Hibs being succesful less likely) is being rammed down peoples throats.

I don’t have to accept that his sacking was a mistake because I don’t think it was a mistake. I think we made the right call sacking him when we did. Our immediate upturn in form when he left backs that up for me. We got 10 points in the 4 league games immediately after he left. With the way we were going under JR I wouldn’t have been surprised had we lost all 4.

I also don’t think he deserved the cup final as that would have meant 2 more leagues games as well which judging by the way we were playing would probably have been another 2 crap results.

He might well be a decent guy. Him doing well isn’t good for Hibs though so I want him to fail, much the same as I want Neilson, Goodwin, Hammel etc to fail. And that looks like it’s exactly what he’s going to do.

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Other managers don't have to 'fail' for Hibs to be a success. We just need to get our own house in order and be better than them, rather than wishing ill on others, especially guys who are in such a precarious line of work.

I obviously never want to see Hearts do better than us but a guy like Ross? Always seemed inoffensive, sincere and hard-working even if ultimately it didn't work out. I find it hard to feel bitter towards him in any way.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I don't like Ross.

His team bored me to tears.
His decision to use his post match interview after an insipid semi final defeat to settle scores with the media (the same media that give him an easy ride btw) annoyed me.
His insistence on setting up the same way against St Johnstone repeatedly, culminating in a cup final performance that made the 5-1 loss look positively spirited, was bordering on unforgivable.

When he left I'd have been quite happy to accept it was done, cup final no shows aren't quite Terry Butcher levels of disaster, if it hadn't have been for the insistence among some fans and his pals in the media that he was actually brilliant and his sacking was entirely down to spoiled and entitled Hibs fans. I didn't want him sacked but I can see why it happened. We were on a horrendous run and he showed absolutely no signs of turning it around, if anything we were getting worse when he was punted.

If this continues at Dundee Utd then it will be 3 sackings from his last 3 jobs. It might just drop then that he's a bit one dimensional.

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Saves me posting :agree:

https://twitter.com/record_sport/sta..._vMd4IkB3JtmFg

Not going anywhere

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I don't like Ross.

His team bored me to tears.
His decision to use his post match interview after an insipid semi final defeat to settle scores with the media (the same media that give him an easy ride btw) annoyed me.
His insistence on setting up the same way against St Johnstone repeatedly, culminating in a cup final performance that made the 5-1 loss look positively spirited, was bordering on unforgivable.

When he left I'd have been quite happy to accept it was done, cup final no shows aren't quite Terry Butcher levels of disaster, if it hadn't have been for the insistence among some fans and his pals in the media that he was actually brilliant and his sacking was entirely down to spoiled and entitled Hibs fans. I didn't want him sacked but I can see why it happened. We were on a horrendous run and he showed absolutely no signs of turning it around, if anything we were getting worse when he was punted.

If this continues at Dundee Utd then it will be 3 sackings from his last 3 jobs. It might just drop then that he's a bit one dimensional.

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Good post. He did a decent job at Hibs but never felt he was building particularly strong foundations or that we were building anything special. A good season followed by a poor season. Just a standard SPL manager who will generally be a safe pair of hands no more no less.

It’s difficult not to gloat simply because posters made it so polarised. Some didn’t and won’t give him any credit, others loved him and as such twisted the narrative to suit their agendas “Hibs fans now expect 1970s Brazil football”

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Other managers don't have to 'fail' for Hibs to be a success. We just need to get our own house in order and be better than them, rather than wishing ill on others, especially guys who are in such a precarious line of work.

I obviously never want to see Hearts do better than us but a guy like Ross? Always seemed inoffensive, sincere and hard-working even if ultimately it didn't work out. I find it hard to feel bitter towards him in any way.

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They don’t have to, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier and therefore more likely for us to be successful if they do.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

https://twitter.com/record_sport/sta..._vMd4IkB3JtmFg

Not going anywhere

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Not a good sign for him though that rumours like that gained so much traction so quickly. Often wonder how much these stories end up acting as a sounding board for a club worried about what the optics of sacking a manager would look like.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

I won't be 'raging' if he doesn't do a good job at United but I see no reason to wish him ill. I think he gave the Hibs job his all and was rather harshly sacked after his first sustained run of bad results. Prior to that he had demonstrated an ability to arrest any slump in form very quickly.

In his relatively short time at ER he also took us to two cup finals, was a missed penalty away from another one and gave us our first third place finish in many years. He made a couple of excellent signings, breathed life into signings branded Heckingbottom duds and helped elevate Martin Boyle's game to an even higher level. Not at all shabby by the standards of a Hibs boss.

Sure the football could be frustrating and the cup final v St Johnstone plus the embarassing no-show v Hearts in the pre-covid derby at ER still rankle.

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This is largely it for me. The pleasure that some people take out of the misfortune of people who are doing or have done their best for Hibs tells you all you need to know about their character. Josh Campbell, Busheri, Newall, Ron Gordon, JR, Stubbs, cup hero's like Cummings, David Gray & Hanlon have all been slaughtered on here at one point or another.

It's a depressing state of affairs that people need to go all out on the negatives.

I reckon John Potter was a big part of Jack Ross' success at Hibs, the players loved him.

A bit like Stubbs who has been a bit lost without Doolan and Taff in the jobs he's had since Hibs.

I had no problem with Ross and would have happily seen him given more time. Backed properly, I think he would have very quickly addressed the problems of the first half of last season during the January window. Not sure he was ever going to be an easy fit for the Ian Gordon system though.

Re his issues at United, I suspect there are probably a couple of difficult senior players there giving him problems. That can be a challenging situation to resolve. They seem to have a lot of good players though so I'm not writing them off yet.

And I'm perfectly happy with the manager we now have, who I have a sneaky suspicion might turn out to be a very good fit for us. Results may have been a mixed bag but they've been a tough sequence of games for a number of reasons and he's given us plenty of reason to look forward to the rest of the season.

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Originally Posted by RMQ1967

This is largely it for me. The pleasure that some people take out of the misfortune of people who are doing or have done their best for Hibs tells you all you need to know about their character. Josh Campbell, Busheri, Newall, Ron Gordon, JR, Stubbs, cup hero's like Cummings, David Gray & Hanlon have all been slaughtered on here at one point or another.

It's a depressing state of affairs that people need to go all out on the negatives.

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Football fans wanting rival teams to do badly is a reflection on their character :faf:

Next you’ll be telling us we shouldn’t celebrate goals because there’s another set of fans unhappy at conceding and it might make them sad.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I reckon John Potter was a big part of Jack Ross' success at Hibs, the players loved him.

A bit like Stubbs who has been a bit lost without Doolan and Taff in the jobs he's had since Hibs.

I had no problem with Ross and would have happily seen him given more time. Backed properly, I think he would have very quickly addressed the problems of the first half of last season during the January window. Not sure he was ever going to be an easy fit for the Ian Gordon system though.

Re his issues at United, I suspect there are probably a couple of difficult senior players there giving him problems. That can be a challenging situation to resolve. They seem to have a lot of good players though so I'm not writing them off yet.

And I'm perfectly happy with the manager we now have, who I have a sneaky suspicion might turn out to be a very good fit for us. Results may have been a mixed bag but they've been a tough sequence of games for a number of reasons and he's given us plenty of reason to look forward to the rest of the season.

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Potter has only been his asst here. His assistant at St Mirren and Sunderland was James Fowler. Fowler chose to take the Head of Football Operations gig at Killie so JR appointed Potter.

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Originally Posted by worcesterhibby

I don't think that's the issue here. I didn't want us to sack Jack Ross and I was disappointed when we did, however the amount of people on here and in the media who were desperate for Jack Ross to be a big success at Dundee Utd, so that they could say..."Hibs are a shambles" has made it quite pleasing that he is doing such a terrible job at Tannadice. I have no hatred or even dislike of Jack Ross, I actually quite like Dundee Utd, but I am still thoroughly enjoying the car crash that is there season so far. :greengrin So yes I am taking Joy at seeing him struggle, despite the fact that he is a decent guy. That's what being a petty, slavering football fan is all about :na na::flag::flag:

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Fair comment, although I think the number of Hibs fans thinking the above is pretty small.

There does seem to be that media narrative though, without getting too paranoid about it.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Potter has only been his asst here. His assistant at St Mirren and Sunderland was James Fowler. Fowler chose to take the Head of Football Operations gig at Killie so JR appointed Potter.

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Potter was with him in some capacity at Sunderland though, no?

One of the coaches maybe?

I'm sure we had to come to an agreement with Sunderland for Potter to join Ross at Hibs because he'd stayed on.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I don't like Ross.

His team bored me to tears.
His decision to use his post match interview after an insipid semi final defeat to settle scores with the media (the same media that give him an easy ride btw) annoyed me.
His insistence on setting up the same way against St Johnstone repeatedly, culminating in a cup final performance that made the 5-1 loss look positively spirited, was bordering on unforgivable.

When he left I'd have been quite happy to accept it was done, cup final no shows aren't quite Terry Butcher levels of disaster, if it hadn't have been for the insistence among some fans and his pals in the media that he was actually brilliant and his sacking was entirely down to spoiled and entitled Hibs fans. I didn't want him sacked but I can see why it happened. We were on a horrendous run and he showed absolutely no signs of turning it around, if anything we were getting worse when he was punted.

If this continues at Dundee Utd then it will be 3 sackings from his last 3 jobs. It might just drop then that he's a bit one dimensional.

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Yup, totally agree.

Other thing I’d add is that wherever he’s been successful he’s heavily relied on having a talisman that would score a lot of goals.

St Mirren it was Lewis Morgan, Sunderland it was the forward they sold to Bordeaux (Josh Maja maybe?) and with us it was Boyle.

With the last two, as soon as he lost them, his whole game plan went to pot and he couldn’t find a solution. At Utd, I don’t think he’s got that person.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Yup, totally agree.

Other thing I’d add is that wherever he’s been successful he’s heavily relied on having a talisman that would score a lot of goals.

St Mirren it was Lewis Morgan, Sunderland it was the forward they sold to Bordeaux (Josh Maja maybe?) and with us it was Boyle.

With the last two, as soon as he lost them, his whole game plan went to pot and he couldn’t find a solution. At Utd, I don’t think he’s got that person.

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Is that not true of any manager in their successful stints that they have had one or two key players for them.

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Originally Posted by GreenPJ

Is that not true of any manager in their successful stints that they have had one or two key players for them.

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I don’t think they’re generally as reliant as we were on Boyle last season though.

Not sure how to feel about JR. On the one hand I don’t have anything against him like I do some of our other ex-managers so don’t want him to do badly.

However, I had a bad feeling he was going to do really well at United and we would be wondering why we ever let him go, so I’m glad that hasn’t come pass (yet!).

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Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2

Football fans wanting rival teams to do badly is a reflection on their character :faf:

Next you’ll be telling us we shouldn’t celebrate goals because there’s another set of fans unhappy at conceding and it might make them sad.

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Na it's not that at all - I'm not without my own unreasonable prejudices - I want every team to fail when it's to the benefit of Hibs and that includes wanting the OF & every other Scottish team fail in Europe so that they don't get financially stronger.

I'm talking about individual guys who do or done their best for Hibs getting undeservedly slaughtered.

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Originally Posted by RMQ1967

Na it's not that at all - I'm not without my own unreasonable prejudices - I want every team to fail when it's to the benefit of Hibs and that includes wanting the OF & every other Scottish team fail in Europe so that they don't get financially stronger.

I'm talking about individual guys who do or done their best for Hibs getting undeservedly slaughtered.

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could you imagine the jack ross threads on here if he was doing well.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I reckon John Potter was a big part of Jack Ross' success at Hibs, the players loved him.

A bit like Stubbs who has been a bit lost without Doolan and Taff in the jobs he's had since Hibs.

I had no problem with Ross and would have happily seen him given more time. Backed properly, I think he would have very quickly addressed the problems of the first half of last season during the January window. Not sure he was ever going to be an easy fit for the Ian Gordon system though.

Re his issues at United, I suspect there are probably a couple of difficult senior players there giving him problems. That can be a challenging situation to resolve. They seem to have a lot of good players though so I'm not writing them off yet.

And I'm perfectly happy with the manager we now have, who I have a sneaky suspicion might turn out to be a very good fit for us. Results may have been a mixed bag but they've been a tough sequence of games for a number of reasons and he's given us plenty of reason to look forward to the rest of the season.

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Ian Gordon has got pelters but it’s clear he likes exciting players, and our budget means we are signing ones with potential rather than a proven record.

JR is the tacticians tactician, but it’s all about the plan for him. I think the players got bored too.