When we gonna get over it ?

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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I love this post.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Because since the start of the 13/14 season they have had two managers, we have had six, along with all of the upheaval that comes with that.

We should be planning for the future already and getting someone like David Gray or Darren McGregor prepared to take over from Jack Ross ideally two, three or even four seasons down the line so we have that succession in place, an understanding of the team style from the get go and we don’t have that upheaval all over again.

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Agreed, which makes it so crucial to make good managerial appointments, not for the short term but with a focus on the future.

It's not something the club have been particularly good at in the more recent past. Only a fool would argue we didn't have to empty Butcher, Calderwood and Heckingbottom. They have however got it right as well at times with Mowbray, McLeish, Stubbs and Lennon having varying degrees of success.

Jack Ross overall has done well at Hibs finishing 3rd and he's got the potential to improve us further next season. Like all young Managers he'll make mistakes, but he does have to learn from them. Hopefully he will, but his comments after the cup final were concerning.

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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You can’t expect instant success because of the big two, but equally it’s very, very rare that you’ll get such an opportunity to achieve success because of the big two. Will be a long, long time before they’re both out of both tournaments before we even get as far as Hampden.

Another team have taken that opportunity, at our expense, twice. I’m just really toiling to share the positivity about what we’re going to build on the back of this season. We’ll win something again at some point in the future but for all the talk of building, having good foundations etc I don’t see it being any time soon because I don’t think we’ll get the same level of opportunity. As I said earlier in the thread, I think we’ll be fine next season, not sure how much more than that though.

We have no right to just turn up and think because it's St Johnstone we should win it comfortably. They have very good record against us and as its mentioned are a regular top 6 team. The most annoying thing about the game was lack of tactical nous by our manager and the total lacklustre performance from the majority of our team. It's obvious there'll be question marks over Ross and the team but it's now done and dusted, frustrations been vented etc. We have a new season beckoning, hopefully new players to get behind and no matter who's in charge we must get behind them, at least for the 1st few months.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

You can’t expect instant success because of the big two, but equally it’s very, very rare that you’ll get such an opportunity to achieve success because of the big two. Will be a long, long time before they’re both out of both tournaments before we even get as far as Hampden.

Another team have taken that opportunity, at our expense, twice. I’m just really toiling to share the positivity about what we’re going to build on the back of this season. We’ll win something again at some point in the future but for all the talk of building, having good foundations etc I don’t see it being any time soon because I don’t think we’ll get the same level of opportunity. As I said earlier in the thread, I think we’ll be fine next season, not sure how much more than that though.

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Good post. Sums our current position up well.

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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Problem for me is we always seem to be on the cusp at Hibs. I remember after 2016 a good few posters on here, myself included, felt the monkey was off our back and lots were saying we'll win another cup in the next 5 years.

Well here we are 5 years later and we haven't delivered another trophy. I think the club is going in the right direction overall but Scottish football rarely allows you to build - we could well lose 4, 5 or more first team players this summer and find ourselves playing a much improved Celtic and Aberdeen team, with Hearts also back in the league chucking benefactor money around.

I guess this just comes down to perspective. You see us at the start of something, I see us having missed a genuine once in a lifetime chance.

I'll guess we'll see who is right next season.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

Problem for me is we always seem to be on the cusp at Hibs. I remember after 2016 a good few posters on here, myself included, felt the monkey was off our back and lots were saying we'll win another cup in the next 5 years.

Well here we are 5 years later and we haven't delivered another trophy. I think the club is going in the right direction overall but Scottish football rarely allows you to build - we could well lose 4, 5 or more first team players this summer and find ourselves playing a much improved Celtic and Aberdeen team, with Hearts also back in the league chucking benefactor money around.

I guess this just comes down to perspective. You see us at the start of something, I see us having missed a genuine once in a lifetime chance.

I'll guess we'll see who is right next season.

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For all the talk of how we’re building something it could just as easily be argued that we’re at the end of our current cycle if we lose some players in the summer. With that in mind we’ll be in transition again and who knows what’ll come from there.

I think we’ll do very well to finish third next season if we lose 3 or 4 players this summer. As you said, with that in mind it all feels like a huge missed opportunity this season.

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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What makes you think the club are far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages.
We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff. We have good owners , you have said yourself that 2 Hampden performances against St Johnstone were disgraceful add a Hertz team just off furlough and you can see why questions are being asked of both the manager and the team.
Have a look at the season ticket thread especially at the beginning and you will see comments on style of play.
As well as questioning supporters mentality maybe we should question the mentality at the club because the Scottish Cup Final was probably the worst performance at Hampden I have seen. Compare the attitude between the 2021 team and 2016 team.
This season was certainly strange with no crowds but was probably our best chance with no the Old Firm anywhere near to make our mark .
Hopefully we will all be back at Easter Road next season cheering the team on.
I would be absolutely delighted if you are right about the last bit we could be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

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For all the talk of how we’re building something it could just as easily be argued that we’re at the end of our current cycle if we lose some players in the summer. With that in mind we’ll be in transition again and who knows what’ll come from there.

I think we’ll do very well to finish third next season if we lose 3 or 4 players this summer. As you said, with that in mind it all feels like a huge missed opportunity this season.

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I almost think we will almost be in a constant state of transition due to the economics of the league and money on offer down south. It was interesting to see the number of players St Johnstone have signed recently who have done the Cup Double. What is their scouting team doing differently to ours?

I think we just have to accept the yearly cycle of rebuilding a team.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

I think this is the 4 millionth time I've asked:

CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY LOOKS LIKE?

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No one can tell you because no one knows, it’s become some weird buzzword that basically means “why aren’t you as angry as me?”

About 15 beers and a shared bottle of double korn helped me get over it on the Saturday night. There's still a twinge of disappointment now and again but I remind myself that we lost to a great cup side. Not recognising St Johnstone's Cup achievements this season does not only them but also Hibs a huge dishonour.

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

No one can tell you because no one knows, it’s become some weird buzzword that basically means “why aren’t you as angry as me?”

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Nail on the head. :faf:

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

No one can tell you because no one knows, it’s become some weird buzzword that basically means “why aren’t you as angry as me?”

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I'm yet to get an answer, but I will report back if I ever do.

But I'll keep trying.

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

What games don’t matter?

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They all matter, obviously, but some matter more than others.

Also, some games you can turn in an average performance and come away with the win. Others, you have to be absolutely at it.

That SCF display from Hibs was way below what was needed.

Until we get players in who can perform on the big stage at hampden we won’t win anything.

Too many of our team crumbled at hampden again 3 times this season.

So we can argue all we like about improvement- yes we did if we take 3rd in the league. But we bottled our chances to win cups which is our target.

Until you get winners in and ship the losers out it will be deja vous.

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Originally Posted by Jones28

I think this is the 4 millionth time I've asked:

CAN SOMEONE TELL US WHAT NOT ACCEPTING MEDIOCRITY LOOKS LIKE?

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Not a term I would use but suspect if people are not accepting mediocrity then they stop buying season tickets , stop buying walk up match tickets.
Seen it plenty time over the years when we have been mediocre or basically crap people stop going to games .
Plenty occasions people can't give away there season tickets when they can't make a game and virtually no walk ups with the old joke you pin your season ticket up on the notice board in the pub for someone to use and someone steals the pin.

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Originally Posted by h1bs4life

Not a term I would use but suspect if people are not accepting mediocrity then they stop buying season tickets , stop buying walk up match tickets.
Seen it plenty time over the years when we have been mediocre or basically crap people stop going to games .
Plenty occasions people can't give away there season tickets when they can't make a game and virtually no walk ups with the old joke you pin your season ticket up on the notice board in the pub for someone to use and someone steals the pin.

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I don’t think anybody will go that far right away to be fair.

I do think I know what the phrase means though, basically not just going to accept finishing 3rd as a great season when more could and should have been achieved.

I can’t really be arsed getting into the technicalities of what certain words mean, it’s pretty clear what they meant IMO, even if the wording could have been better.

FWIW anger isn’t the big threat to the club, people will calm down eventually, even if it’s taking longer than it should in many cases, including myself. IMO the big concern for the club should be anger turning to apathy.

I don’t care about this Hibs team, I don’t care about the manager really, if any of them left tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eye lid. I can not wait to get back to East Road next season though. I personally think the football was dreadful to watch for much of last season and no stats will convince me otherwise, if that continues next season I hope the novelty of getting back inside the ground doesn’t wear off quickly.

So for me, not accepting mediocrity or whatever it was that was said looks to me like slowly losing touch with the club and drifting away from it a bit. I dare say not accepting mediocrity will look different to every person which is maybe why it’s difficult for any one person to give a definitive answer that speaks for all of the people feeling that way.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I don’t think anybody will go that far right away to be fair.

I do think I know what the phrase means though, basically not just going to accept finishing 3rd as a great season when more could and should have been achieved.

I can’t really be arsed getting into the technicalities of what certain words mean, it’s pretty clear what they meant IMO, even if the wording could have been better.

FWIW anger isn’t the big threat to the club, people will calm down eventually, even if it’s taking longer than it should in many cases, including myself. IMO the big concern for the club should be anger turning to apathy.

I don’t care about this Hibs team, I don’t care about the manager really, if any of them left tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eye lid. I can not wait to get back to East Road next season though. I personally think the football was dreadful to watch for much of last season and no stats will convince me otherwise, if that continues next season I hope the novelty of getting back inside the ground doesn’t wear off quickly.

So for me, not accepting mediocrity or whatever it was that was said looks to me like slowly losing touch with the club and drifting away from it a bit. I dare say not accepting mediocrity will look different to every person which is maybe why it’s difficult for any one person to give a definitive answer that speaks for all of the people feeling that way.

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Pretty long post for somebody who doesn't care Bingo.:hibees

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Originally Posted by flash

Pretty long post for somebody who doesn't care Bingo.:hibees

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Very true.

I still care about the club and as I say I’m looking forward to getting back into the stadium.

If it’s still as pish to watch when I’m back in the stadium I’ll maybe post less pish but I doubt it when the alternative is working.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Very true.

I still care about the club and as I say I’m looking forward to getting back into the stadium.

If it’s still as pish to watch when I’m back in the stadium I’ll maybe post less pish but I doubt it when the alternative is working.

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I hear you. I just think it will be totally different with the punters back.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I don’t think anybody will go that far right away to be fair.

I do think I know what the phrase means though, basically not just going to accept finishing 3rd as a great season when more could and should have been achieved.

I can’t really be arsed getting into the technicalities of what certain words mean, it’s pretty clear what they meant IMO, even if the wording could have been better.

FWIW anger isn’t the big threat to the club, people will calm down eventually, even if it’s taking longer than it should in many cases, including myself. IMO the big concern for the club should be anger turning to apathy.

I don’t care about this Hibs team, I don’t care about the manager really, if any of them left tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eye lid. I can not wait to get back to East Road next season though. I personally think the football was dreadful to watch for much of last season and no stats will convince me otherwise, if that continues next season I hope the novelty of getting back inside the ground doesn’t wear off quickly.

So for me, not accepting mediocrity or whatever it was that was said looks to me like slowly losing touch with the club and drifting away from it a bit. I dare say not accepting mediocrity will look different to every person which is maybe why it’s difficult for any one person to give a definitive answer that speaks for all of the people feeling that way.

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Brilliant post agree with everything

I would like to think not accepting mediocrity means kicking on with our new signings, winning a trophy and finishing in as high a League position as possible in the not too distant future

Playing fast exciting entertaining attacking football of course

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Originally Posted by flash

I hear you. I just think it will be totally different with the punters back.

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Just on that in the final you could imagine the huge lift the fans may have made on the players after the penalty save.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

The 15-16 Stubbs team was quite clearly a Top 4 Premier side stuck in the Championship. We beat every Premier side we faced. Granted it didn't get out the Championship but that side was everything we want in a Hibs team.

Attacking exciting fast paced football, wave after wave of attack.

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You’ll get slaughtered for this one, but FWIW I agree with you...

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This thing where supposed Hibs fans are laying into others for 'accepting mediocrity' i.e. finishing 3rd, consistently reaching semi's and final's (!) is becoming tiresome and also potentially as damaging as anything I can currently think of.

As incredibly frustrating (and disgraceful if I'm being honest) as our 2 Hampden performances were against St Johnstone it's abundantly clear to anyone with even half a brain that the club is far closer to providing us with real success than they have been for ages. We have good owners, a good squad, and good coaching staff- yet these hysterical clowns are genuinely advocating that we rip it all up and start again at this point? To read comments like 'if we don't win something soon Jack Ross has to go' is genuinely incredible considering where we we were prior to him taking over. People forget how quickly thing can turn the other way.

Instant success will never be something you can realistically expect in Scotland seeing as you're up against 2 clubs that have far greater resources. Yes we should have nailed a trophy this season and the disappointment will be there for a long time but we could also be on the cusp of a long run of being consistently good - something that has been very rare in my lifetime. This mentality a few seem to have of wanting to hound managers very early really is not a good thing.

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The extreme reactions are simply frustration at being so close and failing. It's the hope that kills.

The semifinal and final against St Johnstone are rare events - in the case of the Scottish Cup Final, probably a once in a generation event. Whenever Hibs have come close to success in the last 50 years, the vultures have been quick to circle and cherry pick our best players and manager, denying us the chance to build a sustained challenge. Just look at the speculation around Hibs players moving on and all we did was get 3rd place, without beating the OF or Hearts. We've all been here too often in the past, tantalisingly close to winning the Cup or building a good squad of players but ultimately winning nothing ! If Ron was a billionaire who had promised millions to making Hibs a success, then maybe we'd all see this season as a stepping stone to greater glory in years to come - but he's not. And it matters little how good an owner he is if at the end of the day, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts can steal or outbid us for decent players. So, as I say, the reaction is simply extreme disappointment among Hibs fans who have been around the block knowing that we've blown a huge chance that is unlikely to come our way again anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by mcfly

Until we get players in who can perform on the big stage at hampden we won’t win anything.

Too many of our team crumbled at hampden again 3 times this season.

So we can argue all we like about improvement- yes we did if we take 3rd in the league. But we bottled our chances to win cups which is our target.

Until you get winners in and ship the losers out it will be deja vous.

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Agree with that .... but we have a problem. The type of players you're talking about normally don't want to play for Hibs or stay for very long. They can get much better money elsewhere. The Hibs teams which have done well have been moments in time when a lot of things came together eg take Celtic loanee, Stokes out of the 2016 Cup Final and we're never winning that game. I agree, we need winners who aren't afraid of their own shadow at Hampden but sadly that's what we've got. The question is what Hibs/Jack Ross can do about it with the money that's available ?

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Originally Posted by Onion

The extreme reactions are simply frustration at being so close and failing. It's the hope that kills.

The semifinal and final against St Johnstone are rare events - in the case of the Scottish Cup Final, probably a once in a generation event. Whenever Hibs have come close to success in the last 50 years, the vultures have been quick to circle and cherry pick our best players and manager, denying us the chance to build a sustained challenge. Just look at the speculation around Hibs players moving on and all we did was get 3rd place, without beating the OF or Hearts. We've all been here too often in the past, tantalisingly close to winning the Cup or building a good squad of players but ultimately winning nothing ! If Ron was a billionaire who had promised millions to making Hibs a success, then maybe we'd all see this season as a stepping stone to greater glory in years to come - but he's not. And it matters little how good an owner he is if at the end of the day, Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen and Hearts can steal or outbid us for decent players. So, as I say, the reaction is simply extreme disappointment among Hibs fans who have been around the block knowing that we've blown a huge chance that is unlikely to come our way again anytime soon.

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Excellent post. It was an outstanding opportunity to add silverware to the trophy cabinet. The managers tactics and performance from the players bar Macey was an absolute disgrace. If we had actually turned up against St Johnstone who are a hard grafting disciplined unit but not exactly world beaters and we had actually tried a lick but still been beaten there'd be no argument from me and I suspect likewise from the vast majority of the support. It was the manner of the defeat that still rankles over a week later. You couldn't have summed it up any better that it was a 'huge chance blown'.

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

In the two Cup games against them it is fair to say we didn't lay a glove on them.

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First half of the league cup semi final we were decent and if we’d taken our chances would have been comfortably ahead. But we didn’t and the rest is history.

It'll be great when club shakes the "Hibsed it" garbage and other clear media vendettas. That and win more derbies to begin with, followed by cups.

I'm thankful I still get angry when Hibs lose a match as, for me, the alternative is apathy, as others have mentioned. Again, this is for me, but I've endured watching Hibs fail over and over again. If I don't get angry about the failure, even for a brief time, I think I'd pack it in as I think I'd no longer care.

Ive seen it with relatives, big Hibs fans who have followed for 40-50 years and now see no reason to ever go back to ER. "Seen it all before" is a common saying among the Hibs fans I know.

Flattering to achieve only to fall at the latter stages takes a lot out of the fans through the years. This and being easy target for media mocking.

Win more football matches is only way to fix this. Our derby record needs a lot of work. Added to Europe every season and we're on to a winner.

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Originally Posted by dp00

At what point do we get over it and move on ? Surely we need to start looking forward to next season

The Scottish cup result was shocking to put mildly, however the constant barrage of abuse the club gets when ever it puts anything online is now OTT. If we had got knocked out in the quarters then no one would be even talking about it now

I have no doubt the players, manager know they let’s us down but isn’t it about time we get over it and move on ? The abuse, comments is helping no one

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I'm already over it. St Johnstone made history in that final and their double winning squad and manager deserve the status of legends they earned last season. On the other hand, as a Hibs fan what I witnessed was such a tepid attempt to win a final it was barely worth getting angry about, so I haven't .... it was so pathetic it's almost like it never happened and the fact it was against a club none of us can even really say we hate it didn't hurt like it could have.

Never mind abusing the team on line or whatever, I can't think of a bigger insult than being so underwhelmed by their efforts on the day that I can't even be arsed to get angry about it.

We move on in the sure and certain knowledge that none of these players can ever go into a final again and put up such a pathetic effort. As for the bounce affect winning it could have given us .... I guarantee you signing Leigh Griffiths would add far more to our ST uptake.

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Originally Posted by madhatter

It'll be great when club shakes the "Hibsed it" garbage and other clear media vendettas. That and win more derbies to begin with, followed by cups.

I'm thankful I still get angry when Hibs lose a match as, for me, the alternative is apathy, as others have mentioned. Again, this is for me, but I've endured watching Hibs fail over and over again. If I don't get angry about the failure, even for a brief time, I think I'd pack it in as I think I'd no longer care.

Ive seen it with relatives, big Hibs fans who have followed for 40-50 years and now see no reason to ever go back to ER. "Seen it all before" is a common saying among the Hibs fans I know.

Flattering to achieve only to fall at the latter stages takes a lot out of the fans through the years. This and being easy target for media mocking.

Win more football matches is only way to fix this. Our derby record needs a lot of work. Added to Europe every season and we're on to a winner.

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'Hibsed it' was unambiguously ended in 2016. Nothing else.

Hertzed it is now nearly 60 years since last winning the League Cup despite money laundering a Russian tycoons ill gotten gains and plundering the Lithuanian nations pension funds. A despicable record of failure from the Yams.

Ross got his tactics all wrong and the players looked as if they were playing in quicksand on Gullane beach.

A very bad day at the office but Hibs are of course for a lifetime of joy and torture not just for a one off final.

Mon the Cabbage.

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