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02-01-2021, 04:34 PM
truehibernian

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

His card is marked now for me. Tried to give the benefit of the doubt after the semi final but he’s under pressure now after that awful result today

What was immediately noticeable to me today was Livi having 2 or 3 around Boyle from kick off, yet we persisted in trying to shift it out to him rather than try and drive through the middle. Lewis had no one outside him offering and continually had to cut back or play backwards. How JR and JP didn't see that and change it baffles me. Literally no one tested their left side for most of the game, meaning Livingston were nice and compact.
02-01-2021, 04:35 PM
easty

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Jack Loss must go. Football is dire and he's going to take us backwards.

12 year olds patter.
02-01-2021, 04:35 PM
greenpaper55

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Originally Posted by Andy74

Not really. We’re 4th.

I could equally say that moronic GTF attitudes like yours after a couple of bad results just leads to more of the same.

I’d like us to be better than mediocre and believe that we have a manager who can improve us even more in the longer term.

So why did he not improve us from the last defeat, is he just biding his time or kidding the opposition a wee bit or is it he just hasn't a clue ?
02-01-2021, 04:36 PM
Coco Bryce

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Originally Posted by easty

12 year olds patter.

Or Jambo mates patter
02-01-2021, 04:37 PM
The 90+2

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Originally Posted by Stuart93

His card is marked now for me. Tried to give the benefit of the doubt after the semi final but he’s under pressure now after that awful result today

The most concerning thing of it all is this is Livingston football club and after being pumped off bottom of the league County it was far far too predictable today would happen.
02-01-2021, 04:37 PM
ahibby

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Originally Posted by ekhibee

For me that was the strongest team he had to pick from apart from playing Stevenson instead of Doig, I can't really see how he's to blame for a performance like that, the players must surely take the lion's share of the blame. I don't get the tiredness thing that the commentators kept coming out with either, we play the same number of games as everybody else. Livvie certainly didn't look 'leggie'.

Of course there is more to it and you are right about the players. The buck must always stop at the boss though. Four home games against poorer clubs and two goals to show for it and six against. Looking at that and considering we have used most of the first team picks over those four home games you cant only blame the players. However we should appreciate how difficult it can be to play against sitting in teams using the break. Theres not much guile needed for that just discipline and graft. Trying to break those teams down while keeping your back secure requires much more and more than our team and gaffer have at this time. The other thing that experience shows us is the longer the rut the harder it is to get out off. I dont expect anything better anytime soon and so I am in a position where I can only be pleasantly surprised over the next couple of months. If it cintinues beyond that then I will shift into a gravely concerned disposition.
02-01-2021, 04:37 PM
hibeedonald

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Originally Posted by ekhibee

For me that was the strongest team he had to pick from apart from playing Stevenson instead of Doig, I can't really see how he's to blame for a performance like that, the players must surely take the lion's share of the blame. I don't get the tiredness thing that the commentators kept coming out with either, we play the same number of games as everybody else. Livvie certainly didn't look 'leggie'.

If picking the strongest team was all we want from JR then most of Hibs.net would have a chance at the managers job.
02-01-2021, 04:38 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

Today.
Ross County.
St Johnstone.
Alloa.
Dundee Utd.
Semi Final
Sheep x 2.
Motherwell at home.
Clinging on at home 3 up against Hamilton.

It's a major, major cause for concern. County scored during the week, game over. Livi today, game over, Aberdeen away and home... That's not mentioning hammered to the worst Celtic side in 6 years nor the derby last year when Hearts couldn't buy a bloody win.

No fight or creation, we never look like coming back after we lose the first game coupled by we look like losing or throwing away games having starting games no bad.

It's his squad. We have bigger and better ones than the majority of teams above.

The teams scoring first is a valid point. I think we’ve lost every game where we’ve lost the first goal, in the league.

There isn’t any character in there when we’re up against it. They’re all happy enough to show for the ball and knock it about when we’re winning though.
02-01-2021, 04:39 PM
GreenCastle

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Originally Posted by Andy74

You can’t just sack managers after poor runs of form. It’ll always happen so we just keep doing it until the next run then do it again?

I’d prefer we give a manager the time to build a squad where this is less likely over time.

We are now getting into 2 or 3 games before trying to get someone sacked which is ridiculous.

The problem I have is I wanted Ross and have supported him. Like Drey Wright I feel I have given him / them a chance.

My issue is..the signs are there that we have problems. Not just the last 2 relegation level performances but our home record / lack of goals / too many draws...see Sunderland and only winning 1 big game (Hearts away).

He steadied the ship after the mess of Hecky but that wasn’t hard. But we still finished 7th last season.

We have had some good away wins this season but again against dross teams who we should be beating.

He’s not seriously under performing as manager - yes we are 4th and are in the semi final but our chances of winning the semi are very slim - the last 2 games have exposed how fragile we are if we lose the 1st goal.

People say we have signed good players but several injured and not contributing.

All teams have off days but we have had several really poor half’s / performances this season and as others have said before...it’s dull. I was never thinking that myself but I can see why people say that - we really don’t have many exciting players. Boyle / Newell and Nisbet maybe but all have been up and down as the team has changed about.

I’m usually very positive but these players look lost and either they don’t have mentally to improve (question the recruitment process) or they don’t want to play for Ross.
02-01-2021, 04:39 PM
lord bunberry

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Originally Posted by Hermit Crab

Jack Loss must go. Football is dire and he's going to take us backwards.

I wish you would just go.
02-01-2021, 04:41 PM
where'stheslope

I think if truth be known on this forum, we are well up in this league at the moment, but to say we are setting the league on fire is somewhat over stated!
After most games we have said it was a good result but the play was not to standard.
Now the results have gone the other way and teams have found a way to play us, everyone is looking back on some of our results, and added to the last 2-3 bad results, we've all seen it coming!
Changing the manager is not the way to go, its a gut reaction to poor results, that in the end only costs the club more money!!!!
02-01-2021, 04:42 PM
calumhibee1

If we don’t win the semi final that will be 2 SF’s we’ve lost to teams we undoubtably should have beaten which is unforgivable quite frankly. Of course we may win it so we’ll have to wait and see and if we do win the cup it will be a successful season. It’s on a knife edge at the moment.
02-01-2021, 04:42 PM
GreenCastle

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Is 4th success now?

Given our budget and investment, 4th is the minimum in my book, I’m not sure Ross would deserve a pat on the back for achieving it.

Celtic are in a state this year and may well now implode completely that the title is gone, so it’s not just 3rd that could be achievable. Meanwhile Livi have 2 games in hand on us, so 4th can hardly be thought of as a stick on at this point.

That’s not to say that finishing 4th should get Ross sacked, but in the circumstances it’s probably the lowest we could finish and his future not become a subject for serious consideration.

There is 4th as expected and there is 4th giving 3rd a good fight and taking points off the Old Firm / Aberdeen / doing well in cups.

4th with a big gap to 3rd and just above 5th isn’t anything to get excited about - especially with our resources and Hearts out the league - a chance to push on being missed once again.
02-01-2021, 04:46 PM
J-C

Factor in the fact that Ross is not Ron Gordon's man and with performances like recently, then Ron may want his own guy in.
02-01-2021, 04:46 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

....

4th with a big gap to 3rd and just above 5th....

I'm as annoyed as anybody else but let's not start making things up.

We're 3 points behind third place and 9 points above fifth.

I'm not suggesting things will stay that way but that's how it is just now.
02-01-2021, 04:48 PM
Iain G

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

The most concerning thing of it all is this is Livingston football club and after being pumped off bottom of the league County it was far far too predictable today would happen.

Hope you popped a bet on then!
02-01-2021, 04:48 PM
A Hi-Bee

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

If we don’t win the semi final that will be 2 SF’s we’ve lost to teams we undoubtably should have beaten which is unforgivable quite frankly. Of course we may win it so we’ll have to wait and see and if we do win the cup it will be a successful season. It’s on a knife edge at the moment.

We are Hibs ffs we will always just be two or three games away from disaster or Glory that's just the way it is, but the manager gets paid to sort it out, now he needs to show that he can manage and sort it out, or like every other one before him he will have to find another job.
02-01-2021, 04:48 PM
The 90+2

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

If we don’t win the semi final that will be 2 SF’s we’ve lost to teams we undoubtably should have beaten which is unforgivable quite frankly. Of course we may win it so we’ll have to wait and see and if we do win the cup it will be a successful season. It’s on a knife edge at the moment.

We won't win the Semi.
02-01-2021, 04:49 PM
Sir David Gray

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

The teams scoring first is a valid point. I think we’ve lost every game where we’ve lost the first goal, in the league.

There isn’t any character in there when we’re up against it. They’re all happy enough to show for the ball and knock it about when we’re winning though.

We haven't won a league game after conceding the first goal for almost a year, which is nine matches.
02-01-2021, 04:49 PM
The 90+2

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Originally Posted by Iain G

Hope you popped a bet on then!

I bet on Hibs to win Hearts to lose like I do each week. Game over after ten mins. Got points in the prediction thread mind you.
02-01-2021, 04:50 PM
Zambernardi1875

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

I'm as annoyed as anybody else but let's not start making things up.

We're 3 points behind third place and 9 points above fifth.

I'm not suggesting things will stay that way but that's how it is just now.

aberdeen 3 ahead with two games in hand

livingston 9 points behind with two games in hand. you missed that out
02-01-2021, 04:50 PM
A Hi-Bee

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

We haven't won a league game after conceding the first goal for almost a year, which is nine matches.

Records good or bad are there to be broken.
02-01-2021, 04:53 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by greenpaper55

So why did he not improve us from the last defeat, is he just biding his time or kidding the opposition a wee bit or is it he just hasn't a clue ?

I think you haven't a clue tbh

Your talking about super short term form when the poster was talking about long term progress which undoubtedly we have made the last 12 months

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02-01-2021, 04:56 PM
JohnM1875

He's not for me. Said so a while back.

Fair enough he has us fourth in the league (bare miminum we should be this season) and in the semi final of the league Cup. But I can't stand the football on show majority of the time.

So predictable. Long ball pish with no creativity and no other plan. Subs are usually too late or just bizarre.
02-01-2021, 04:57 PM
ahibby

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Originally Posted by where'stheslope

I think if truth be known on this forum, we are well up in this league at the moment, but to say we are setting the league on fire is somewhat over stated!
After most games we have said it was a good result but the play was not to standard.
Now the results have gone the other way and teams have found a way to play us, everyone is looking back on some of our results, and added to the last 2-3 bad results, we've all seen it coming!
Changing the manager is not the way to go, its a gut reaction to poor results, that in the end only costs the club more money!!!!

I agree with your points but I dont agree about the manager. I wouldnt be firing him as things stand but I would be giving serious but quiet and private thought as to who I would like to see as our next manager could be and the best time for that to happen, but only after exhausting all attempts at helping the current manager improve things. I need to make my position clear though in that I wasnt a JR fan at the start, then he probably won me over but performances, not results, have mainly swayed me back to my starting point. Not a big fan but I appreciate we could have done worse.
02-01-2021, 04:58 PM
greenpaper55

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

I think you haven't a clue tbh

Your talking about super short term form when the poster was talking about long term progress which undoubtedly we have made the last 12 months

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Wait a minute, the Livi manager came in when they were garbage and they have won i think seven on the trot ! that is short term progress with resources a fraction of our own so i think i might be correct ?
02-01-2021, 05:03 PM
GreenCastle

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Originally Posted by Zambernardi1875

aberdeen 3 ahead with two games in hand

livingston 9 points behind with two games in hand. you missed that out

Exactly.

Aberdeen aren’t losing games like us and dropping points all over the place.

They have had the occasional off day but 3rd and comfortable to finish 3rd.

There is no way we are staying with them, more concerned about not going 5th..to a team that changed their manager and are winning games.
02-01-2021, 05:04 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by greenpaper55

Wait a minute, the Livi manager came in when they were garbage and they have won i think seven on the trot ! that is short term progress with resources a fraction of our own so i think i might be correct ?

Your not

Although we were unbeaten in ten before the game at Ibrox

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02-01-2021, 05:04 PM
Alfred E Newman

They only get away with the slow side to side one pass forward 2 passes back stuff because there are no fans there.
02-01-2021, 05:06 PM
GreenCastle

Ask yourself this...if we were to play Hearts anytime soon..would you be confident?

I know I wouldn’t be as they have players who would bully us and grind out a result.

We have developed a soft spot sadly and until we find more aggression/ hunger we will hover 6th to 4th and be lucky to win any derbies. Ross has managed 3 and lost 2 I believe.

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