KP - Hibs Voting Intentions

There's not really a bad outcome for us. Either Hearts are relegated which is funny, or they're saved and we get to have the derby next season. In terms of our position, since we're mid table it doesn't mean much.

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Originally Posted by Michael

There's not really a bad outcome for us. Either Hearts are relegated which is funny, or they're saved and we get to have the derby next season. In terms of our position, since we're mid table it doesn't mean much.

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Nice to read a post from someone not suffering from a dreadful virus---mass hysteria.

This thread would take a completely different track if the word 'Hearts' was replaced by 'the team that's bottom of the league'.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

This thread would take a completely different track if the word 'Hearts' was replaced by 'the team that's bottom of the league'.

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Of course it would. Because we hate the hearts. Pretty standard.

I am dead against league reconstruction at the same time, so it's potentially a double whammy for me. (If that is to be what's read between the lines in the last paragraph of the LD statement)

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Originally Posted by Sioux

This thread would take a completely different track if the word 'Hearts' was replaced by 'the team that's bottom of the league'.

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Im not sure it would. It’s the fairest way for the season to be decided if it’s agreed at a later date the season cannot be concluded.

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Originally Posted by Michael

There's not really a bad outcome for us. Either Hearts are relegated which is funny, or they're saved and we get to have the derby next season. In terms of our position, since we're mid table it doesn't mean much.

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It’s not great if we vote to keep them and their bigger playing budget allows them to pip us for a European spot or to knock us out the Scottish cup next season.


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So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Poll running at 91% in favour of calling the league as is. That’s a lot of customers that Hibs risk upsetting.


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Maybe true, but I'd prefer the club Chief Executive's decision making to be more focused on Hibs best interests rather than being obsessed with what happens to Hearts as some appear to be.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

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I don’t think it’s fair on Partick either but that’s not Hibernians issue. There was always going to be a few teams hard done by (Partick and Falkirk so far) but I also don’t think it’s fair that Stranraer are voting against this when they have next to no chance of staying up.

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Originally Posted by Rocky

Maybe true, but I'd prefer the club Chief Executive's decision making to be more focused on Hibs best interests rather than being obsessed with what happens to Hearts as some appear to be.

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What’s Hibs’ best interests in voting against this proposal then? I’m all ears.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

So what are folk's views on Partick being relegated? Is that fair?

For what it's worth, I don't think so.

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'Fair' is subjective.

It most certainly is fair based on Average points per game.

It's not based on who's played who, at which venues, at this time.

If you cannot conclude the matches and 'Null' are not options for financial/legal/contractual reasons, then what are your options?

Is it tough on PT? Yes.

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Originally Posted by BFG

Hi NN I have some sympathy with your point of view as a season ticket holder ( I’ve already bought next season’s) and along with most of our support would be happy to see them relegated but after reading your post I took my green tinted glasses off and thought would it be a bad thing if league reconstruction was to go ahead with 18 teams playing each other once home and away ?, but then I had a look over on kickback and found this thread, after reading it I now say relegate them it’s what they would do

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Posted March 10

We beat St Mirren 2-0 tomorrow night and go above them on goal difference.

On Thurs morning, the SPFL/SFA decide to end the season prematurely due to COVID-19. To ensure that Dundee Utd don’t hit the wall, the decision is taken to cancel the play offs, but relegate one and promote one. As a result, St Mirren are relegated on goal difference on technically the last day of the season. They then spend the rest of their eternity thinking about how this could have been avoided if they hadn’t let Celtic pump them last weekend.

That my friends is ****ing karma!!!

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That's a sensational find. :agree:

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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Originally Posted by 18Craig75

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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That's a very valid point. If we posed the question "Should we give £130k to St Johnstone or try to keep it for our selves?" How many would vote for the first option?

I would suggest it's more relevant than whether or not Hearts get relegated.

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

I’m really against this 14 team league for 1 season nonsense.

If you are going to restructure then it has to be a decent proposal which is put in place for a few years - not a 1 season to please a few teams than back to 12 idea.

I’ve said for years I’m bored of playing teams x4 times and possibly x6 with the cup games etc.

I agree it’s not ideal for rushed proposals but the only compromise I have is relegate Hearts now and then the season after say you would expand the league so basically they get stuck down in that league for a minimum of 1 year.

I’ve not renewed my ST yet - Hibs is a massive part of my life but I’m curious to see what Scottish football do here / Hibs act here - but I do plan to renew before the deadline as long as they don’t pull some nonsense out the bag. Of course I love Hibs more than I dislike Hearts but it’s more to do with the direction of Scottish football.

The We are all Hibs and This is our City taglines need to be justified and I doubt we will make a statement about who we voted for but it’s a question that can’t be dodged surely.

This wasn’t even on the table at the recent AGM and now reconstruction is being talked about out of no where.

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I stopped reading the thread so I could comment on this, so sorry if other folk have made the point I'm about to.

I was at the AGM and I now bitterly regret the fact that I didn't grab the mic and ask Ron Gordon or LD what they thought the effect on Scottish football would be if some guy in China ate a sodding bat and it put the idea of league reconstruction back on the table ..... FFS !

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Originally Posted by 18Craig75

Wow a few poor posts on this thread.

Does anyone seriously think the board would vote to save hearts? If we vote against the resolution it’ll be for reasons that affect Hibernian FC. Ie - were set to lose out on 130k right away as St Johnstone will overtake us in the league. What if we need that to keep the lights on?

I’ve voted to relegate hearts because that’s what I’d like to see happen. However if the club vote the other way, I have full confidence they’ve done so with the best interest of Hibs in mind

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What is the other proposal on the table that allows us to keep that £130k?


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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

That's a very valid point. If we posed the question "Should we give £130k to St Johnstone or try to keep it for our selves?" How many would vote for the first option?

I would suggest it's more relevant than whether or not Hearts get relegated.

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Or we could play the games out (whenever) and finish 8th, losing more. The season is done. Over. Call it a day now and if we end up 7th it's because that is where we deserve to be.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

What’s Hibs’ best interests in voting against this proposal then? I’m all ears.

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£125 grand as a starter. Who knows, maybe also trying to break the Glasgow duopoly, fairer split of TV cash, league reconstruction that's done sensibly and not just focused on delivering 4 bigot derbies to the TV companies every season.

They should give zero hoots what the impact on hearts is (other than weighing up the financial consequences of losing the derby). For what it's worth, I don't care about losing that but then I'm not privy to the books so don't know how perilous or otherwise Hibs financial position is. Neither do the people voting on this poll right enough.

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Originally Posted by 90+2

I don’t think it’s fair on Partick either but that’s not Hibernians issue. There was always going to be a few teams hard done by (Partick and Falkirk so far) but I also don’t think it’s fair that Stranraer are voting against this when they have next to no chance of staying up.

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Surely Hearts aren't Hibs' issue either then? How Hibs vote will affect Hearts, but they shouldn't be a deciding factor.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Or we could play the games out (whenever) and finish 8th, losing more. The season is done. Over. Call it a day now and if we end up 7th it's because that is where we deserve to be.

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100% correct.
It was a terrible interview from Dempster. It says nothing but throws doubt all over the place. She doesn’t say she is in favour of anything. She against null and void but that’s off the table now anyway.
If she wants reconstruction then she should say so. Tell us what her plan is?


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Originally Posted by Keith_M

In a magical world where all threat of Coronavirus just disappeared by Saturday, I think that would be ideal. Let's face it, Hearts would go down.


However, it's just not an option.

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I don't see why. I'd rather we postponed next season and finished this one. People keep saying it's not an option but I'm not yet clear why.

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Originally Posted by Rocky

£125 grand as a starter. Who knows, maybe also trying to break the Glasgow duopoly, fairer split of TV cash, league reconstruction that's done sensibly and not just focused on delivering 4 bigot derbies to the TV companies every season.

They should give zero hoots what the impact on hearts is (other than weighing up the financial consequences of losing the derby). For what it's worth, I don't care about losing that but then I'm not privy to the books so don't know how perilous or otherwise Hibs financial position is. Neither do the people voting on this poll right enough.

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Dempster says we are good for about 5 months without football in the interview. If it’s that long then most of the clubs in Scotland will be wiped out.
If she has ideas on reconstruction she should say so quickly because the vote is tomorrow.


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Originally Posted by neil7908

I don't see why. I'd rather we postponed next season and finished this one. People keep saying it's not an option but I'm not yet clear why.

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Because there is no more money to be collected from this season, so the clubs would have to survive until maybe Oct/Nov with zero cash coming in.


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Send them down down down now

No mercy

They would do the same to us and just love it

The glove is on the other foot

Remember 1990

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Or we could play the games out (whenever) and finish 8th, losing more. The season is done. Over. Call it a day now and if we end up 7th it's because that is where we deserve to be.

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We could finish third (I think) if we finished the season as well - at least it would all have been decided on the field. It's clear that's unlikely to happen, but we have accumulated more points playing football than St Johnstone and our record against them is W1 D1 L0 - why do we deserve to finish behind them in the league? We'd be conceding a place to them and giving them a chunk of money despite being demonstrably the better team.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

What is the other proposal on the table that allows us to keep that £130k?


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Defer the decision? That seems to be what LD is proposing.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Because there is no more money to be collected from this season, so the clubs would have to survive until maybe Oct/Nov with zero cash coming in.


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So let's give out the cash based on current leagues places and then play the games at the next available opportunity. Means clubs can keep going and the really important stuff (ie. promotion and relegation, Europe) can still be sorted. If say Aberdeen finish 3rd but get the prize money for 4th I'm sure they'll be fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

Defer the decision? That seems to be what LD is proposing.

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Which is also what's in the SPFL board's proposition.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

So let's give out the cash based on current leagues places and then play the games at the next available opportunity. Means clubs can keep going and the really important stuff (ie. promotion and relegation, Europe) can still be sorted. If say Aberdeen finish 3rd but get the prize money for 4th I'm sure they'll be fine with it.

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And what if Livi get the prize money for 5th, finish bottom then go down the tubes?

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

We could finish third (I think) if we finished the season as well - at least it would all have been decided on the field. It's clear that's unlikely to happen, but we have accumulated more points playing football than St Johnstone and our record against them is W1 D1 L0 - why do we deserve to finish behind them in the league? We'd be conceding a place to them and giving them a chunk of money despite being demonstrably the better team.

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We are 1 point ahead and played 1 game more. They have taken more points of Hearts and Sevco than we have. Spin stats anyway you like but we are not demonstrably a better team.