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05-01-2020, 10:23 AM
PaulSmith

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Get the impression that is a wind up. :greengrin

Exactly why this site is absolutely dug crap these days then...it’s a kids playground most of the time. Grown men posting immature “wind ups” looking for bites. Honestly it’s pathetic.
05-01-2020, 10:28 AM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Exactly why this site is absolutely dug crap these days then...it’s a kids playground most of the time. Grown men posting immature “wind ups” looking for bites. Honestly it’s pathetic.

You didn't really think £1.5m would go into ladies team PS did you?

We don't put that into the first team
05-01-2020, 10:29 AM
Pretty Boy

I think the announcements when they come are going to be somewhat underwhelming, certainly based on what some seem to be expecting.

A further development at East Mains and a scheme set up which will see fans asked to contribute to funding it. A formal announcement of the new commercial positions we have all seen advertised and an overview of what these roles entail and what benefits they may bring. Announcement of some kind of survey and study into what fans want to see in the way of improvements at ER and how feasible they are.

At the more exciting end of the scale maybe announcement of exploring a link up with a North American team. There will almost certainly be no detailed announcement of an increase in revenue streams, an increase in football budget or a cash injection. That’s not to say none of those things will happen but it is highly unlikely we will put it out there in black and white for everyone to see. Certainly not before it has been communicated at the AGM.

Business reviews tend to be thorough but rarely see overly exciting changes at the end of them. Particularly the case when a business is performing reasonably well, Hibs aren’t performing fantastically in a commercial sense but until the sponsor debacle this year it’s not been disastrous either.

I’m certainly interested in what Ron Gordon has to say and what his vision is for Hibs. I’m just not expecting to be blown away by what is eventually revealed.
05-01-2020, 10:38 AM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I think the announcements when they come are going to be somewhat underwhelming, certainly based on what some seem to be expecting.

A further development at East Mains and a scheme set up which will see fans asked to contribute to funding it. A formal announcement of the new commercial positions we have all seen advertised and an overview of what these roles entail and what benefits they may bring. Announcement of some kind of survey and study into what fans want to see in the way of improvements at ER and how feasible they are.

At the more exciting end of the scale maybe announcement of exploring a link up with a North American team. There will almost certainly be no detailed announcement of an increase in revenue streams, an increase in football budget or a cash injection. That’s not to say none of those things will happen but it is highly unlikely we will put it out there in black and white for everyone to see. Certainly not before it has been communicated at the AGM.

Business reviews tend to be thorough but rarely see overly exciting changes at the end of them. Particularly the case when a business is performing reasonably well, Hibs aren’t performing fantastically in a commercial sense but until the sponsor debacle this year it’s not been disastrous either.

I’m certainly interested in what Ron Gordon has to say and what his vision is for Hibs. I’m just not expecting to be blown away by what is eventually revealed.

Think you have nailed it.
05-01-2020, 10:41 AM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Exactly why this site is absolutely dug crap these days then...it’s a kids playground most of the time. Grown men posting immature “wind ups” looking for bites. Honestly it’s pathetic.

Really? Hibs don’t even invest 1.5m in the men’s team. Relax. Go for a walk. Enjoy your day.
05-01-2020, 10:44 AM
BILLYHIBS

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I think the announcements when they come are going to be somewhat underwhelming, certainly based on what some seem to be expecting.

A further development at East Mains and a scheme set up which will see fans asked to contribute to funding it. A formal announcement of the new commercial positions we have all seen advertised and an overview of what these roles entail and what benefits they may bring. Announcement of some kind of survey and study into what fans want to see in the way of improvements at ER and how feasible they are.

At the more exciting end of the scale maybe announcement of exploring a link up with a North American team. There will almost certainly be no detailed announcement of an increase in revenue streams, an increase in football budget or a cash injection. That’s not to say none of those things will happen but it is highly unlikely we will put it out there in black and white for everyone to see. Certainly not before it has been communicated at the AGM.

Business reviews tend to be thorough but rarely see overly exciting changes at the end of them. Particularly the case when a business is performing reasonably well, Hibs aren’t performing fantastically in a commercial sense but until the sponsor debacle this year it’s not been disastrous either.

I’m certainly interested in what Ron Gordon has to say and what his vision is for Hibs. I’m just not expecting to be blown away by what is eventually revealed.

So no Sparky then?
05-01-2020, 10:45 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I don’t think for a second Hibs will want to become hoteliers but selling the area to a company to build a hotel is feasible surely?

Anyway, I think hotels being built is yesterday’s news, short term let’s are where the money is now, especially in Edinburgh so I think that’s where the value would be on that site.

The save Leith walk campaign recently won I think, if the developers who were hoping to build down there are looking for an alternative site, that one could be ideal for them.

So, you're hoping that the club can sell a bit of land to a hotel developer that doesn't know hotels are a thing of the past?

I also think they are yesterday's news. Edinburgh is close to over capacity for hotels, tourism is becoming a bad word, and the area is not really where tourists would want to stay anyway.

The part of Leith Walk that was "saved", ie the plans will be resubmitted, plus brown paper envelopes, is a long way from a corner of a football stadium in a depressed part of town.

I regularly stay at the hotel at Stamford Bridge, it seems to struggle outside match days, and it has a tube station on its door step.
05-01-2020, 10:48 AM
Dan Sarf

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Originally Posted by JohnMcM

I don't care what is announced. As long as we do the same as a big team would. So, whatever it is, I want us to spend £22.5 million on it and leave it unfinished with no view of the castle. :greengrin

Thank you! Made my morning!
05-01-2020, 10:48 AM
offshorehibby

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I think the announcements when they come are going to be somewhat underwhelming, certainly based on what some seem to be expecting.

A further development at East Mains and a scheme set up which will see fans asked to contribute to funding it. A formal announcement of the new commercial positions we have all seen advertised and an overview of what these roles entail and what benefits they may bring. Announcement of some kind of survey and study into what fans want to see in the way of improvements at ER and how feasible they are.

At the more exciting end of the scale maybe announcement of exploring a link up with a North American team. There will almost certainly be no detailed announcement of an increase in revenue streams, an increase in football budget or a cash injection. That’s not to say none of those things will happen but it is highly unlikely we will put it out there in black and white for everyone to see. Certainly not before it has been communicated at the AGM.

Business reviews tend to be thorough but rarely see overly exciting changes at the end of them. Particularly the case when a business is performing reasonably well, Hibs aren’t performing fantastically in a commercial sense but until the sponsor debacle this year it’s not been disastrous either.

I’m certainly interested in what Ron Gordon has to say and what his vision is for Hibs. I’m just not expecting to be blown away by what is eventually revealed.

I think you have most of this spot on. Where i think we will see a lot of changes is inward investment. Looking at some of the recent job announcements we will be looking to up the corporate investment. Going by comments on here recently the likes of hospitality and sponsorship is not were it should be. Up our game here and that ups investment in the team.
05-01-2020, 10:49 AM
BILLYHIBS

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Originally Posted by H18 SFR

Chips were reinstated a while back.

There was a sign up in the West Upper stating Chips unavailable due to technical reasons but just been informed by a good source that a video went viral at the recent Sevco singalong of a HIBS fan enjoying a cardboard Pizza and chips though not sure if that was in the East ? ��
05-01-2020, 10:51 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by jacomo

We are obviously not gonna build a hotel at ER, but...

If you wanted to do so, you wouldn’t put the capital up yourself. You would assess the opportunity and then go to market. The finished hotel would most likely be operated by a chain or franchise.

:eek:
05-01-2020, 10:55 AM
Weegreenman

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

"My tea's gone cold, I'm wonderin why, i got out of bed at all. The morning rain clouds up my window and i can't see at all.
And even if i could it'd all be grey with your picture on my wall.
It reminds me that it's not so bad, it's not so bad."

Bravo! 👏
05-01-2020, 10:55 AM
Allant1981

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

So, you're hoping that the club can sell a bit of land to a hotel developer that doesn't know hotels are a thing of the past?

I also think they are yesterday's news. Edinburgh is close to over capacity for hotels, tourism is becoming a bad word, and the area is not really where tourists would want to stay anyway.

The part of Leith Walk that was "saved", ie the plans will be resubmitted, plus brown paper envelopes, is a long way from a corner of a football stadium in a depressed part of town.

I regularly stay at the hotel at Stamford Bridge, it seems to struggle outside match days, and it has a tube station on its door step.

So you regularly stay in a hotel but hotels are a thing of the past, ok then!!
05-01-2020, 10:58 AM
The Modfather

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Originally Posted by underscore

Really? Hibs don’t even invest 1.5m in the men’s team. Relax. Go for a walk. Enjoy your day.

Was your claim we’ve already signed someone also part of the trolling? Or are you waiting until the widely expected announcement that Bogdan has signed a new deal is announced before claiming that’s who you were hinting at all along?
05-01-2020, 10:59 AM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

Was your claim we’ve already signed someone also part of the trolling? Or are you waiting until the widely expected announcement that Bogdan has signed a new deal is announced before claiming that’s who you were hinting at all along?

I thought it was meant to be Griffiths.

:dunno:
05-01-2020, 11:02 AM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

Was your claim we’ve already signed someone also part of the trolling? Or are you waiting until the widely expected announcement that Bogdan has signed a new deal is announced before claiming that’s who you were hinting at all along?

We’ve already talked about Bogdan on the PM board. Pretty sure that’s done. It’s not trolling to make a flippant very obvious bull remark.
05-01-2020, 11:05 AM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

If Ron has taken 7 months to conduct a review and the best that we get is an indoor arena (which has been in plan for c2 years) and a cash injection of £1.5m to the ladies team then some idiot has got in his ear and he’s looking in the wrong place to grow the club.

If, and it’s a massive if, the £1.5m is coming directly from the clubs existing incomes (ST, TV, sponsorship) then I’ll be thinking twice about buying my ST’s next year... why should I help to fund a ladies team that I have zero interest in??

Disappointed tbh.

Don’t wait for evidence... just tear up your ST now on the basis of an unfounded rumour and vent your fury about it. It’s what the rest of the world does these days...
05-01-2020, 11:06 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by allant1981

So you regularly stay in a hotel but hotels are a thing of the past, ok then!!

I regularly stay in a hotel that is well below its occupancy. For that reason I don't pay much, and I don't think the hotelier makes a great profit.

My reference to thing of the past was in terms of the Edinburgh market that is reaching saturation point. Furthermore the backlash against tourism and student accommodation will make getting planning permission more difficult in future.

Question: if you had the money, would you invest it in a hotel on that site?
05-01-2020, 11:19 AM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I want a state of the art plant room.

I want a restaurant that it is 'almost always' described by unnamed people as the best one in Scottish football.

I want a nursery to be built that is described by unnamed people as the best council nursery in Edinburgh.

I don't mind being a year late or twice over budget to achieve our goals.

I want chips.

Why do you continually refuse to call for an escalator?

Are you afraid of heights or is it just sheer pigheaded stubbornness. :grr:
05-01-2020, 11:23 AM
GloryGlory

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I regularly stay in a hotel that is well below its occupancy. For that reason I don't pay much, and I don't think the hotelier makes a great profit.

My reference to thing of the past was in terms of the Edinburgh market that is reaching saturation point. Furthermore the backlash against tourism and student accommodation will make getting planning permission more difficult in future.

Question: if you had the money, would you invest it in a hotel on that site?

If only that were true. Unfortunately the planning department is still in thrall to developers of all kinds - for example, giving permission for another office development within metres of our flats in Fountainbridge, despite several empty office blocks already to let in the area, new blocks coming on stream soon, large undeveloped sites (which have had planning permission for yonks with no work started yet) like the old Fountain North, the Haymarket goods yard and dozens of objections from local residents, with not one submission in support of the new office block, and offices being converted to hotels because nobody wants to use them as offices anymore. Yet the case was put forward by the developers on the basis of some fictional "demand" for new offices in the area and given consent.
05-01-2020, 11:29 AM
pollution

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I regularly stay in a hotel that is well below its occupancy. For that reason I don't pay much, and I don't think the hotelier makes a great profit.

My reference to thing of the past was in terms of the Edinburgh market that is reaching saturation point. Furthermore the backlash against tourism and student accommodation will make getting planning permission more difficult in future.

Question: if you had the money, would you invest it in a hotel on that site?

You raise a good point: the hotelier knows that he will have a minimum of 20 or so match day occupation plus Christmas and new year at Chelsea.

This will be built into his profitability figures. As for Edinburgh, new hotels are all the rage still. Not everyone wants a B and B or a flat.

A good 4 months of 80% plus occupation 100% at New year and it is worth it by far. Hotels are not falling out of favour at all.

Planning applications may be difficult to get though but a 150 room hotel brings a lot of business rate £ to the council.
05-01-2020, 11:37 AM
Greenworld

Whatever Ron announces as the plan going forward I hope it's a very different fresh approach . American style food stalls and service levels. American soccer link ups and America style income from advertising .
We can rebrand as the Edinburgh cowboys imagine digging out your stetson on match days .
All our gay supporters can wear leather chaps to the game before hitting cc blooms straight from the game.
He'll there will be so much going on we won't care what's happening on the pitch yee haa

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05-01-2020, 11:39 AM
Allant1981

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I regularly stay in a hotel that is well below its occupancy. For that reason I don't pay much, and I don't think the hotelier makes a great profit.

My reference to thing of the past was in terms of the Edinburgh market that is reaching saturation point. Furthermore the backlash against tourism and student accommodation will make getting planning permission more difficult in future.

Question: if you had the money, would you invest it in a hotel on that site?

I dont know exact figures but there wont be many hotels in the city centre running at a loss, outwit the centre I'm not sure but easter road is ideal for getting up into the city centre and ideal for tourists, hotels are still on the up in edinburgh and if it was going to go ahead then the council would give planning permission, of that im sure. I personally would not get involved in a hotel, I've worked in both a 5 star hotel and golf resort and a small 3 star hotel and wouldnt own one at all, too much work involved!
05-01-2020, 11:45 AM
The 90+2

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I regularly stay in a hotel that is well below its occupancy. For that reason I don't pay much, and I don't think the hotelier makes a great profit.

My reference to thing of the past was in terms of the Edinburgh market that is reaching saturation point. Furthermore the backlash against tourism and student accommodation will make getting planning permission more difficult in future.

Question: if you had the money, would you invest it in a hotel on that site?

I would invest in student accommodation, and trust me there’s a lot more plans to build even more in the near future 😁
05-01-2020, 11:56 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by 90+2

I would invest in student accommodation, and trust me there’s a lot more plans to build even more in the near future 😁

I know there's plans, however there are the green shoots of resistance as well. Too many people waking up to council corruption now.

Anyway, we're both agreed, Ron really needs to avoid hotels.

Personally I was hoping for a monorail linking into the tram network hub at Picardy Place, where Line 1 intersects with Line 1.
05-01-2020, 12:00 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by allant1981

I dont know exact figures but there wont be many hotels in the city centre running at a loss, outwit the centre I'm not sure but easter road is ideal for getting up into the city centre and ideal for tourists, hotels are still on the up in edinburgh and if it was going to go ahead then the council would give planning permission, of that im sure. I personally would not get involved in a hotel, I've worked in both a 5 star hotel and golf resort and a small 3 star hotel and wouldnt own one at all, too much work involved!

Fair enough, Easter Road is well placed for getting into town, and gentrification is well underway. Albion Road is a different kettle of fish, and I can't see it scoring well for location on the likes of TripAdvisor.
05-01-2020, 12:17 PM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Why do you continually refuse to call for an escalator?

Are you afraid of heights or is it just sheer pigheaded stubbornness. :grr:

In city underground systems, the spaces between up and down escalators are often sheer, steep, resemble children's slides and are frequently used as such by the drunk and the infantile. As such, I call on Ron Gordon to install such an escalator system at Easter Road, replete with a small ski jump at the bottom and a sand pit pitchside. Wheelchair users are cordially invited to get involved. I have been told many times that we would then have the best system of its kind in Scottish football, and it would cost significantly less than a hotel at 80% occupancy.
05-01-2020, 12:26 PM
The 90+2

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I know there's plans, however there are the green shoots of resistance as well. Too many people waking up to council corruption now.

Anyway, we're both agreed, Ron really needs to avoid hotels.

Personally I was hoping for a monorail linking into the tram network hub at Picardy Place, where Line 1 intersects with Line 1.

Good shout, or the the opposite of what they have at the pink dump and a never ending escalator in the FF 😁
05-01-2020, 12:26 PM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by Greenworld

Whatever Ron announces as the plan going forward I hope it's a very different fresh approach . American style food stalls and service levels. American soccer link ups and America style income from advertising .
We can rebrand as the Edinburgh cowboys imagine digging out your stetson on match days .
All our gay supporters can wear leather chaps to the game before hitting cc blooms straight from the game.
He'll there will be so much going on we won't care what's happening on the pitch yee haa

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk

“Chips n chaps” day.

Maybe best not have it the same fixture as a Hibs kids game though.

Does it have to be for gay fans only? I’m right up for it.
05-01-2020, 12:28 PM
Keith_M

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Originally Posted by Greenworld

...
We can rebrand as the Edinburgh cowboys......

We'd be sued by Hearts, on copyright grounds.

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