Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

I get the feeling from Green's comments he is thinking it will be Div3.

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Originally Posted by Dalkeith

CHARLES GREEN CONT: "We've always been prepared for both (Division One and Three) The fans have always said they are happy to go to (Division) Three, we just want to get a decision and move on.
"I hope it will be (the end of the situation) but I'm not convinced it will."

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Some of his comments about vilification and punsishment would be fair if Rangers surived administration.

As it is what he fails to see is this is a new compnay and what is being asked is to promote a new company straight to a division that would not be the natural starting place for anyone else.

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

Tyrone Smith‏@TyroneSTVDundee are 'perplexed' after being told by the SFL last night they would be allowed to vote today. Given no reason for the sfl u-turn


Does this mean that Dunfermline will be back in SPL? :dunno:

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if there`s suddenly no longer any conflict of interest then it`s more likely the Huns will be back in the SPL...

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Originally Posted by Dalkeith

CHARLES GREEN CONT: "We've always been prepared for both (Division One and Three) The fans have always said they are happy to go to (Division) Three, we just want to get a decision and move on.
"I hope it will be (the end of the situation) but I'm not convinced it will."

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That last line could mean so many different things..............SPL vote?, his backers walk away? BDO do their job?

Is the sequel about to start?

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

...or, looking at it another way, the continued silence of the SPL men is to give Regan and Doncaster the chance to either sort things or hang themselves.

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Completely agree. Regan and Doncaster have made such a mess of things that their bosses will not allow them the luxury of resigning right now. They wiill have to stay and work through this and then get sacked.

Latest from BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...medium=twitter

Rangers: Clubs fear Division Three vote could be overruled

Dunfermline and Clyde fear ways will be found not to abide by any decision to vote Rangers
into Division Three.

The Scottish Football League is meeting to decide whether the "newco" Rangers
will play there or Division One.

But Clyde claim that the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier
League have warned they might not act on the vote of the 30 clubs.

And John Yorkston, who is hoping the Pars will play in the SPL, said: "They
still haven't ruled out Rangers."

After the old Rangers headed for liquidation, Charles
Green's Sevco consortium had its application for membership of the SPL rejected
by 10 or the other 11 clubs.

Now the SFA and SPL have warned that, should Rangers drop to Division Three,
it could lead to a reduction in vital television contract money and financial
problems for clubs throughout Scotland.

They have offered the 30 SFL clubs a working party into reorganising the
league structure and other financial incentives should they vote for Rangers in
Division One.

But Yorkston told BBC Scotland: "We did have a meeting of the board, but
we're still going to be voting for Rangers to go to the Third Division.

We are trying to be fair here and there can't have rules for one and different
rules for others.
"We are aware of the financial consequences to our club and other clubs, but
we feel the sporting integrity is the right way to go."

Nine clubs had gone public with their opposition to Rangers in Division One
ahead of the meeting, with another nine having indicated that they were so
minded before the negotiations between the three governing bodies.

No matter which division Rangers are voted into, Dunfermline and Dundee are
due to learn on Monday which will replace the Ibrox club in the top flight.

"Ourselves and Dundee are the two main contenders, though I wouldn't rule out
the SPL doing something regarding newco if Rangers or newco are put into the
Third Division," said Yorkston, who thought there would be calls for the
resignation of top personnel at the SFA and SPL.

"They may actually go with Rangers. Rangers have still got the share in the
league and that might be an option they go for if they believe Rangers in the
Third Division is the right decision."

Clyde, who have questioned whether there is enough information about the new
Rangers' finances to allow them into either division, had similar fears
following alleged comments by the SPL chief executive.

"Neil Doncaster told the SFL clubs that the SPL would not allow Rangers to
join the Third Division as the loss of £16m would not be countenanced," said the
Division Three club's latest statement.

"He is also on record as having said that a 16-team league would cost £20m,
therefore we can hardly have confidence that the focus on finance will allow
these proposals to come to life.

"Given that the SPL and SFA have signalled a clear intention to act against
any decision that might result in Sevco Scotland Ltd being admitted to the Third
Division...We can expect that, no matter what the SFL clubs decide, Sevco
Scotland will not be playing in the Third Division in the coming season."

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

Some great tweets from Willie Miller

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller@alextomo It's a combination of problems. Regan and Doncaster are clearly inept and untrustworthy, but are those behined them any better?

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller Doncaster last Nov: "expanded SPL will create £20m loss". Doncaster this Jul: "to avoid £16m loss vote RFC into Div 1, and we'll expand SPL"

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller@MadFitba Because the corruption at Rangers pales in comparison to the endemic weakness, laziness, and pro-Rangers bias within the SFA.

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller ..."We have no business plan, list of directors, details of ownership, statement of capital adequacy". http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/f … ‪#NOtoNEWCO‬

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller Also wise comments from Clyde today. http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/f … "We have received absolutely no information on... Sevco Scotland Ltd"

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller There was me thinking that Henry McLeish couldn't embarrass himself more than he did when he was Labour leader...

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller A fair whack of ex-‪#Rangers‬ fans seem to want the newco to start in the 3rd purely because they think it'll hurt other clubs. Typical evil.

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller@bbcsportsound Pressley said "we need to fix the game, not just fix things for Rangers". Traynor hears "We need to fix RFC to fix the game"

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He's not wrong is he! :top marks

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

F that. This thread is my life now!! :greengrin

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Lol. Me sitting here by the poolside in IBIZA reading all this proves its now bloody mine as well :-/

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

Latest from BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...medium=twitter

Rangers: Clubs fear Division Three vote could be overruled

Dunfermline and Clyde fear ways will be found not to abide by any decision to vote Rangers
into Division Three.

The Scottish Football League is meeting to decide whether the "newco" Rangers
will play there or Division One.

But Clyde claim that the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier
League have warned they might not act on the vote of the 30 clubs.

And John Yorkston, who is hoping the Pars will play in the SPL, said: "They
still haven't ruled out Rangers."

After the old Rangers headed for liquidation, Charles
Green's Sevco consortium had its application for membership of the SPL rejected
by 10 or the other 11 clubs.

Now the SFA and SPL have warned that, should Rangers drop to Division Three,
it could lead to a reduction in vital television contract money and financial
problems for clubs throughout Scotland.

They have offered the 30 SFL clubs a working party into reorganising the
league structure and other financial incentives should they vote for Rangers in
Division One.

But Yorkston told BBC Scotland: "We did have a meeting of the board, but
we're still going to be voting for Rangers to go to the Third Division.

We are trying to be fair here and there can't have rules for one and different
rules for others.
"We are aware of the financial consequences to our club and other clubs, but
we feel the sporting integrity is the right way to go."

Nine clubs had gone public with their opposition to Rangers in Division One
ahead of the meeting, with another nine having indicated that they were so
minded before the negotiations between the three governing bodies.

No matter which division Rangers are voted into, Dunfermline and Dundee are
due to learn on Monday which will replace the Ibrox club in the top flight.

"Ourselves and Dundee are the two main contenders, though I wouldn't rule out
the SPL doing something regarding newco if Rangers or newco are put into the
Third Division," said Yorkston, who thought there would be calls for the
resignation of top personnel at the SFA and SPL.

"They may actually go with Rangers. Rangers have still got the share in the
league and that might be an option they go for if they believe Rangers in the
Third Division is the right decision."

Clyde, who have questioned whether there is enough information about the new
Rangers' finances to allow them into either division, had similar fears
following alleged comments by the SPL chief executive.

"Neil Doncaster told the SFL clubs that the SPL would not allow Rangers to
join the Third Division as the loss of £16m would not be countenanced," said the
Division Three club's latest statement.

"He is also on record as having said that a 16-team league would cost £20m,
therefore we can hardly have confidence that the focus on finance will allow
these proposals to come to life.

"Given that the SPL and SFA have signalled a clear intention to act against
any decision that might result in Sevco Scotland Ltd being admitted to the Third
Division...We can expect that, no matter what the SFL clubs decide, Sevco
Scotland will not be playing in the Third Division in the coming season."

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Petrie knows Hibs will be signing their own death warrant if he votes for Sevco to enter the SPL. I wouldn't be back for one.

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

Latest from BBC website

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/footbal...medium=twitter

Rangers: Clubs fear Division Three vote could be overruled

Dunfermline and Clyde fear ways will be found not to abide by any decision to vote Rangers
into Division Three.

The Scottish Football League is meeting to decide whether the "newco" Rangers
will play there or Division One.

But Clyde claim that the Scottish Football Association and Scottish Premier
League have warned they might not act on the vote of the 30 clubs.

And John Yorkston, who is hoping the Pars will play in the SPL, said: "They
still haven't ruled out Rangers."

After the old Rangers headed for liquidation, Charles
Green's Sevco consortium had its application for membership of the SPL rejected
by 10 or the other 11 clubs.

Now the SFA and SPL have warned that, should Rangers drop to Division Three,
it could lead to a reduction in vital television contract money and financial
problems for clubs throughout Scotland.

They have offered the 30 SFL clubs a working party into reorganising the
league structure and other financial incentives should they vote for Rangers in
Division One.

But Yorkston told BBC Scotland: "We did have a meeting of the board, but
we're still going to be voting for Rangers to go to the Third Division.

We are trying to be fair here and there can't have rules for one and different
rules for others.
"We are aware of the financial consequences to our club and other clubs, but
we feel the sporting integrity is the right way to go."

Nine clubs had gone public with their opposition to Rangers in Division One
ahead of the meeting, with another nine having indicated that they were so
minded before the negotiations between the three governing bodies.

No matter which division Rangers are voted into, Dunfermline and Dundee are
due to learn on Monday which will replace the Ibrox club in the top flight.

"Ourselves and Dundee are the two main contenders, though I wouldn't rule out
the SPL doing something regarding newco if Rangers or newco are put into the
Third Division," said Yorkston, who thought there would be calls for the
resignation of top personnel at the SFA and SPL.

"They may actually go with Rangers. Rangers have still got the share in the
league and that might be an option they go for if they believe Rangers in the
Third Division is the right decision."

Clyde, who have questioned whether there is enough information about the new
Rangers' finances to allow them into either division, had similar fears
following alleged comments by the SPL chief executive.

"Neil Doncaster told the SFL clubs that the SPL would not allow Rangers to
join the Third Division as the loss of £16m would not be countenanced," said the
Division Three club's latest statement.

"He is also on record as having said that a 16-team league would cost £20m,
therefore we can hardly have confidence that the focus on finance will allow
these proposals to come to life.

"Given that the SPL and SFA have signalled a clear intention to act against
any decision that might result in Sevco Scotland Ltd being admitted to the Third
Division...We can expect that, no matter what the SFL clubs decide, Sevco
Scotland will not be playing in the Third Division in the coming season."

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So if the vote goes anyway other than what they are looking for, the voting system will quite simply be ignored?

Dangerous, dangerous game.

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

So if the vote goes anyway other than what they are looking for, the voting system will quite simply be ignored?

Dangerous, dangerous game.

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If that happens, every club needs to resign from their respective league and the SFA.

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

So if the vote goes anyway other than what they are looking for, the voting system will quite simply be ignored?

Dangerous, dangerous game.

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I have a season ticket for this season but if they do this then I will never go back to Easter Road and will never spend another penny on Scottish football. It sickens me that all rules will be ignored to suit Sevco. I love Hibs but not going to waste money on a fixed sport, set up to support one club.

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Originally Posted by YehButNo But

Some great tweets from Willie Miller

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller@alextomo It's a combination of problems. Regan and Doncaster are clearly inept and untrustworthy, but are those behined them any better?

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller Doncaster last Nov: "expanded SPL will create £20m loss". Doncaster this Jul: "to avoid £16m loss vote RFC into Div 1, and we'll expand SPL"

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller@MadFitba Because the corruption at Rangers pales in comparison to the endemic weakness, laziness, and pro-Rangers bias within the SFA.

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller ..."We have no business plan, list of directors, details of ownership, statement of capital adequacy". http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/f … ‪#NOtoNEWCO‬

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller Also wise comments from Clyde today. http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/f … "We have received absolutely no information on... Sevco Scotland Ltd"

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller There was me thinking that Henry McLeish couldn't embarrass himself more than he did when he was Labour leader...

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller A fair whack of ex-‪#Rangers‬ fans seem to want the newco to start in the 3rd purely because they think it'll hurt other clubs. Typical evil.

Willie Miller‏@DonWillieMiller@bbcsportsound Pressley said "we need to fix the game, not just fix things for Rangers". Traynor hears "We need to fix RFC to fix the game"

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No danger that's really Willie Miller. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by fife hfc

I have a season ticket for this season but if they do this then I will never go back to Easter Road and will never spend another penny on Scottish football. It sickens me that all rules will be ignored to suit Sevco. I love Hibs but not going to waste money on a fixed sport, set up to support one club.

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Surely no one will go back if this happens. There would be no point in Scottish football.

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Originally Posted by givescotlandfreedom

If that happens, every club needs to resign from their respective league and the SFA.

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Originally Posted by fife hfc

I have a season ticket for this season but if they do this then I will never go back to Easter Road and will never spend another penny on Scottish football. It sickens me that all rules will be ignored to suit Sevco. I love Hibs but not going to waste money on a fixed sport, set up to support one club.

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It makes me wonder though. If they are simply going to have their way with it, then whats the point having a vote on it in the first place?

Is it just to take the complete piss or what?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/18798033

As it happens

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Originally Posted by givescotlandfreedom

If that happens, every club needs to resign from their respective league and the SFA.

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100% correct. our footballing 'governing body' has governed 2 teams, and 2 teams only. if they sanction rangers into anything other than the 3rd division, resignation of all clubs is priority.

thus in turn will give our 'governing body' their 2 teams back as celtic won't resign. they want away... now is time

I've wondered about the SPL 2. How can it work if all the SFL teams refuse to join? So far only Airdrie, Brechin and Stenhousemuir are expected to for them a very small league indeed.

How long does it take to bloody vote! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by wee_hibee

It makes me wonder though. If they are simply going to have their way with it, then whats the point having a vote on it in the first place?

Is it just to take the complete piss or what?

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If they get enough votes for SFL 1 they can say they followed the rules. If they don't theyll make new ones.

See the Ireland referendum. You voted no to Europe but guess what we'll just keep going til you accept it. I'm not big on Irish politics, of any sort, but i think it's the same thing here.

Strange that every club that has been involved in any votes or discussion (except Celtic) would have if been in Rangers position already be in Div 3 with no votes with no discussions at the very best. The fact that a vote even took place or any discussions regardless of outcome really shows the disgrace our game is.

There is nothing to celebrate if they end up in Div 3, the disgraceful votes and carry on to try and avoid them being in Div 3 was a step beyong what is right. There simply should not have been any votes.

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

How long does it take to bloody vote! :rolleyes:

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There are three resolutions. One would expect that there will be a lot of debate, certainly about two of the questions; if Clyde get their way, there will be much discussion on Resolution 1.

Outcome expected (hopefully) "this afternoon" according to BBC.

We wait and see...

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

How long does it take to bloody vote! :rolleyes:

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As long as it takes for them to get the result they want.

The whole voting thing could have been done and dusted ages ago.

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Originally Posted by The Falcon

Smaller clubs totally disregarded.
No mention of the small clubs often pivotal role within their respective communities.
"lack of ambition" aimed at the smaller club (probably because they dont spend their way to oblivion)
Other fans "motivation" questioned, no mention that cheating may be part of it.
Criminality only mentioned by the Englishman.
No mention of defrauding the taxman, and the state, of the best part of £100m.
Why do they argue about the economics when, clearly, the Rangers model has been proved to be flawed. And probably illegal.
No mention of the £1m saved by Strathclyde Police, and god knows how much by the NHS and support agencies.
Smith seems to think Sevco are still Rangers. If they pay their bills Gogs they will be.
TV deal and "Rupert" gets what he wants when Rupert has not let on what he wants, in fact he looks like he couldnt care less. maybe he has bigger worries? Shurely not.
(perhaps we should phone Sky to cancel the sports package as they might not be showing SPL football next season. All the pundits are telling us this? I will call today)
No mention that Rangers have been trying to leave Scottish football for nearly 20 years now. Every slightly ambivalent comment by anyone remotely connected with teh English leagues has been seized upon as positive.
Why do they all try to drag Celtic into Rangers mess?


Seems like Smith, MacPherson and the like, are part of the problem.

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Couldn't agree more or add a word to the above.

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Originally Posted by H18sry

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/18798033

As it happens

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zzzzzzzzzzzz

This meeting has gone on for too long. Bribes going on from the SPL/SFL/SFA?

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/110785-r...medium=twitter


The parent company Craig Whyte used to buy Rangers 'oldco' faces being struck off and dissolved.

The company, which is registered in London, is currently the subject of litigation from club administrators Duff and Phelps, who are pursuing the businessman and his former lawyers Collyer Bristow for more than £25m.


jail the crooked little googly-eyed dwarf

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/110785-r...medium=twitter


The parent company Craig Whyte used to buy Rangers 'oldco' faces being struck off and dissolved.

The company, which is registered in London, is currently the subject of litigation from club administrators Duff and Phelps, who are pursuing the businessman and his former lawyers Collyer Bristow for more than £25m.


jail the crooked little googly-eyed dwarf

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As long as there is litigation outstanding, it won't be struck off. If Companies House start the process, they have to advertise that fact for a period of (I think) 90 days. Anyone who has an objection to its being struck off can do so in that period.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

As long as there is litigation outstanding, it won't be struck off. If Companies House start the process, they have to advertise that fact for a period of (I think) 90 days. Anyone who has an objection to its being struck off can do so in that period.

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According to the document, Mr Whyte’s Rangers FC Group will have three months from July 17 in which to respond to the striking off proposal.


:agree: still jail him/it :greengrin