Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel

down the line. I'm more worried about the here and now. £1-5m for these assets is derisory and no reflection of the market value IMHO.
For the realisation of the assests to be denied to the creditors of Rangers Plc is wrong and all creditors includingus as taxpayers willl lose out.
Grrrrrrr!

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But if it plays out as I expect, that money will go to the creditors. The legal costs of chasing it too, I would hope.

A days worth of columbian marching powder for garry?

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Originally Posted by HibeesLittleHel

Yeah true but despite my pathetic attempt at humour I am outraged that this obvious cronyism and manipulation of the rules can even be contemplated never mindcompleted.
Ibrox alone is prime real estate even with the listed building order on it. You only need look at what Arsenal did to Highbury to realise the potential value of the land and fixtures. What guarantees have Sevco given that'll stop them doing the dirty deed and moving th New Team to Milngavie or Easterhouse?

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I'd also debate any parallel with Highbury. Have you been down there? There is absolutely no comparison to Ibrox - and surrounding environs. If Ibrox was turned into flats, they'd be hard pushed to sell them for £100k - never mind £1M+. I don't think it could ever be classed as prime real estate. Govan ain't Islington.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I would, however, like to hear two lawyers argue it in Court.

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I'd agree with you, providing Sevco have to pay the costs for both sides. Lawyers charge even more than accountants!

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I'm beginning to waver here. I have, however, another straw to clutch at.....

What about the fact that RFC (IA) are no longer a member of the SPL? So Hearts are not owed anything by another member. The SPL would withhold RFC's money and....adjust Hearts' share unilaterally? Is that allowed?

Or they could just say "sorry, Hearts, you're getting nothing more. We're keeping it."

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Huns RIP were still a member of the SPL at the end of the season, hence their entitlement to the prize money and the SPL being able to divert it to Hearts. Next straw? :greengrin

If this has been posted already, I apologise for the duplicate, but the internet here is quite slow tonight and I can't be bothered going back through the previous pages:

http://www.clydefc.co.uk/news/2012/07/12/4141/

It's clear that after all their sterling efforts Cropley and Caversham need a long holiday. Perhaps a cruise?

http://youtu.be/7YUiBBltOg4

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Originally Posted by Eyrie

I'd agree with you, providing Sevco have to pay the costs for both sides. Lawyers charge even more than accountants!



Huns RIP were still a member of the SPL at the end of the season, hence their entitlement to the prize money and the SPL being able to divert it to Hearts. Next straw? :greengrin

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I think I may be admitting defeat here. Until the Court case. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby

It's clear that after all their sterling efforts Cropley and Caversham need a long holiday. Perhaps a cruise?

http://youtu.be/7YUiBBltOg4

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Do I have to share a cabin with him?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18816436

Once again that overused canard "why punish the fans etc"
I think the fans had a nice day out at Wembley a few years back, basically on the back of a club overspending-DO YOU HEAR US HUNS??!!
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Do I have to share a cabin with him?

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I'm sure there was some discussion of this about 200 pages ago...:wink:

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

They're going for this option in the belief it will be sanction free and they'll walk every league

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Some probably are, however the person I refer to was talking about keeping the transfer embargo too and repaying back as much of the debt as the club could, whilst surviving. His whole position on the subject was about 'dignity'.

I am under no illusions that he is not in the minority though.

Yup fraid so, and to paraphrase a song from way back by The Cranberries:

"With their flags and their 'loyalty',
and their rants and their hate...
...what's in your head, zombiehun, zombiehun, zombiehun?"

:cb:

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Originally Posted by calmac12000

Coming to a Third Division ground near you from August:cb

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The thing is, they would walk every league with the teams they've had over all the last years and years of cheating.

Those players from last season have now mostly done walking away and irrespective of Chuckie Doll / SFA v's various English clubs in court, the fact is those players have gone.

ZombieHuns now have a raggletaggle of disparates and children playing for them and unless Chuckie Doll can somehow raise silly money to get back on the old "we have great expensive players" wagon of lies then I am (fingers crossed) not so sure about them raging through the divisions ready for a 2015 return to the SPL.

As a coincidentally corrupt boss of mine once said to a co-worker, "Things change." :cb:

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Originally Posted by joe breezy

They're going for this option in the belief it will be sanction free and they'll walk every league

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Do I have to share a cabin with him?

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Thou dost protest too much. :wink:

His nickname is Big Daddy by the way.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Thou dost protest too much. :wink:

His nickname is Big Daddy by the way.

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Shirley not?

Alloa latest to say GTF to Regan and Doncaster.

This now has nothing to do with the currants and is all about a power struggle. If this is the best that Doncaster and Regan can dish up then I expect resignations to be penned when the vote and swing of power goes against them tomorrow afternoon.

Alloa says D3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZTOq7D390&feature=player_embedded

Piss off Gordon Smith

Well Said Alex Thomson

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Shirley not?

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And he's got giant haystacks

Raith rovers and Clyde should play each other in a pre season integrity cup match.

Another vote tomorrow! Still shaking my head in disbelief that the spl had to vote them out. Why no vote for division 2?

The Scotland Tonight debate (tonight). :grr::brickwall:take that

If you didn't see it, the three smillies explains. On the bright side, its like the night before Christmas and Gordon Smith is about to get his bag of coal, fud :greengrin

As for Archie :bye: :na na::faf::dummytit:

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Originally Posted by Emerald

The Scotland Tonight debate (tonight). :grr::brickwall:take that

If you didn't see it, the three smillies explains. On the bright side, its like the night before Christmas and Gordon Smith is about to get his bag of coal, fud :greengrin

As for Archie :bye: :na na::faf::dummytit:

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Agreed, only Thompson spoke any sense and as for Archie he should have been put down years ago, he's like the bumbling old fool from the fast show

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Agreed, only Thompson spoke any sense and as for Archie he should have been put down years ago, he's like the bumbling old fool from the fast show

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They are part of a football ecosystem that has palpably failed Scottish football over the last 14 years, and still they just cannot see past it.

There's an interview in The Herald tomorrow with the old SPL chief exec Roger Mitchell. His verdict: "The SPL will be consigned by history as a 14-year error of judgment." Pretty damning stuff.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

They are part of a football ecosystem that has palpably failed Scottish football over the last 14 years, and still they just cannot see past it.

There's an interview in The Herald tomorrow with the old SPL chief exec Roger Mitchell. His verdict: "The SPL will be consigned by history as a 14-year error of judgment." Pretty damning stuff.

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Yep bit like politics in that everyone likes to blame each other or say it was down to the mess they inherited

im growing fed up of it now, only morbid fascination is keeping me going, really hope we at least get a bit closure either way tomorrow

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

Agreed, only Thompson spoke any sense and as for Archie he should have been put down years ago, he's like the bumbling old fool from the fast show

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Agree, 100% -what is it with these Muppets they just don't get it do they, FFS its not bloody rocket science!
:rules::rules::rules::cb

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Originally Posted by Mainboy19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfZTOq7D390&feature=player_embedded

Piss off Gordon Smith

Well Said Alex Thomson

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Smith is a tramp, that is all.

I think its embarrassing that an English journo is the only person talking any sense on this subject within the media. When Smith started talking about "most league titles, 4 European finals..." someone had to step in and ask him how many of these titles have been won by cheating and clearly spending well outwith their means.

If SPL 2 is rushed through in an attempt to get these cheats back into the top division in one season then Scottish football will die on its feet. It will show just how corrupt or game is. This whole incident has been a joke from day one every other nation is laughing at us. I would hate to say that I would never return to Hibs because its in the blood I love supporting my team but if these creeps attempt to fast track a team that has stolen money from the public purse for years into the top division, hand on heart my love for football in this country will die.

Would the SPL or SFA do this for us back when we were close to going out of business? will they do it should Mad Vlad decide enough is enough? I have my doubts.

Regan and Doncaster must go!!!

:giruy::giruy::giruy:

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Alloa latest to say GTF to Regan and Doncaster.

This now has nothing to do with the currants and is all about a power struggle. If this is the best that Doncaster and Regan can dish up then I expect resignations to be penned when the vote and swing of power goes against them tomorrow afternoon.

Alloa says D3

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Stinging :top marks

"We must remember we are here to manage and administer our National game and not to implement anyones narrow will against the avalanche of public and fan opinion, using the excuse of promises of changes which should be taking place anyway." - Mike Mulraney, Alloa Chairman.

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Originally Posted by edinburghhibee

I think its embarrassing that an English journo is the only person talking any sense on this subject within the media. When Smith started talking about "most league titles, 4 European finals..." someone had to step in and ask him how many of these titles have been won by cheating and clearly spending well outwith their means.

If SPL 2 is rushed through in an attempt to get these cheats back into the top division in one season then Scottish football will die on its feet. It will show just how corrupt or game is. This whole incident has been a joke from day one every other nation is laughing at us. I would hate to say that I would never return to Hibs because its in the blood I love supporting my team but if these creeps attempt to fast track a team that has stolen money from the public purse for years into the top division, hand on heart my love for football in this country will die.

Would the SPL or SFA do this for us back when we were close to going out of business? will they do it should Mad Vlad decide enough is enough? I have my doubts.

Regan and Doncaster must go!!!

:giruy::giruy::giruy:

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I loved Archie and Smith continually questioning the "motivation" of some fans wanting "Rangers" to be put in Div 3 (i.e. treated like ANY OTHER CLUB). Talk about hypocrisy ? :rolleyes: Smith was banging on about 54 league titles, 4 euro finals, blah blah as if that's a logical reason to treat them preferentially. Alex Thomson is the only one who is not driven by their emotions or have a vested interest in supporting "Rangers".

So, once Regan and Doncaster resign today (as they should), people like Smith and Archie should be retired and fresh views/ideas and commentators brought in. New refs from abroad, new commentators (get Alex Thomson signed up !), new media and some of the SFL Chairmen promoted to higher positions within the game. Let the cleansing begin...

Todays the day when we will find out if scottish football can sink any lower or if it will finally draw a line under this disgraceful saga and do the right thing.

Today is also the day when I hope to find out if I can continue to watch my club next season.

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Originally Posted by hibs0666

Alloa latest to say GTF to Regan and Doncaster.

This now has nothing to do with the currants and is all about a power struggle. If this is the best that Doncaster and Regan can dish up then I expect resignations to be penned when the vote and swing of power goes against them tomorrow afternoon.

Alloa says D3

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Well done the Wasps. A well run community football club who know the right thing to do. They are at the centre of so many local initiatives and really are the complete opposite in every respect to the Huns.