You're missing the point, though. It's against the law, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
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You're missing the point, though. It's against the law, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
NO. F R O.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
:greengrin
Meanie :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Are they a) less ****ed than last week or b)more ****ed than last week?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18813407
Rangers: SFL clubs line up against newco in Division One
Chances of the new Rangers being voted into Division One appear to be diminishing with three more clubs coming out against the proposal.
Scottish Football League clubs meet to vote on the matter on Friday, with Division Three the other option.
The SFL, Scottish Premier League and Scottish FA have negotiated a restructuring of the divisions in return for Rangers in Division One.
But Elgin City, Peterhead and Arbroath all say they will vote against.
Continue reading the main story“There is no alternative but to admit a newco team into Division Three”Peterhead FC
Promoted Dumbarton, who previously announced that a poll of members and supporters showed a majority in favour of Rangers joining them in Division One, now say they will not necessarily be bound by that.
The Sons will make a final decision on hearing presentations at the Hampden meeting.
Berwick Rangers this week announced that they would be voting for Rangers to be placed in the fourth tier, while Division Three rivals Annan Athletic and Second Division East Fife have reiterated their opposition to Rangers in Division One.
Clyde have stated that, although they would prefer to have the new Rangers join them in the bottom tier, not enough information had been provided by the Sevco consortium that now owns Rangers' assets.
Before Scotland's governing bodies agreed their package of proposals, First Division clubs Cowdenbeath, Falkirk, Livingston, Morton, Partick Thistle and Raith Rovers, along with relegated Dunfermline, had all indicated they would be against Rangers playing in the second tier.
Third Division clubs Queen's Park and Stirling Albion were similarly minded, while Stranraer suggested that Rangers should be required to apply for admission to the bottom tier along with other interested non-league clubs.
That means there are a potential 17 votes for Rangers being refused admission to Division One - a majority of the SFL's 30 clubs.
Rangers crisis explainedOnly Second Division outfit Stenhousemuir have gone public with an intention to vote for Rangers in the second tier.
- Rangers went into administration owing up to £134m to unsecured creditors and will eventually be liquidated.
- As a result its registrations with the Scottish FA and Scottish Premier League were terminated.
- Charles Green led a consortium which bought Rangers' assets for £5.5m.
- The former Sheffield United chief executive is reforming Rangers as a new company.
- But the 'newco' did not get the required votes for re-admittance to the SPL.
- Instead the new Rangers could start life in Scottish Division One or Three.
Charles Green's Sevco consortium was forced to apply for entry to the SFL after SPL clubs voted against the new Rangers being admitted to the top flight with the old company destined for liquidation.
Peterhead expressed surprise that a 16-team top-flight, which had been rejected as "unattractive and potentially undeliverable" in the SPL's own strategic plan in April 2011, was now being proposed "a mere 36 hours prior to Friday's meeting".
"Whilst we have always stated that we would welcome proposals for league reconstruction independent of the Rangers crisis, we are left with a sense of wonderment at many of the newly proposed changes to the league - changes that were deemed wholly unworkable prior to newco Rangers application to join the SFL after expulsion from the SPL," they said in a website statement.
"Although we are to come under severe pressure from bodies outwith the SFL to accept these fast-tracked changes to accommodate a newco team and to hail this proposal as a 'blueprint to safeguard the future of Scottish football', we must retain our stance and those of the majority of our fans to vote no.
"We still believe that to maintain fairness in our game and to restore faith in Scottish football, there is no alternative but to admit a newco team into Division Three.
"We understand the ramifications of this as laid out by the SFA and understand that there will be financial implications for all clubs should this be the outcome.
"However, although there may be tough times ahead for Scottish football, we believe we can weather the storm."
Looking like it will be a 17-1 no vote on Sevco. I would suspend them for a year before they got in SFL3. Quite excited about the league and Hibs next year without that shower of sh it. :aok:
I'm not. It's all about what's due and when. If the SPL rules are that you get the prize money but before you do we can take off anything due to another member then that's your final total that becomes due.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
My instinct is that they are less so. A week ago, the SFL were dead set against them. I suspect that attitudes might have been softening this week, in view of some of the SPL2-type stuff being explained a bit better.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
That said, Clyde's attitude is hardening :greengrin We like Clyde.
I would say that the law trumps the SPL rules, despite what Blatter et all might say. In this case, there is a clear preference being shown to one creditor (Hearts) over all others. The liquidators will be on to this when they are appointed. If need be, they will sue Hearts. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
C9.1 If any Club defaults in making payment of any sum or sums due to the Company and/or to another Club the Board shall be entitled to apply any sums which, under these Rules, would otherwise be payable to the defaulting Club by the Company in discharge of any debt due by such Club in default to the Company and/or such other Club in such manner as the Board shall determine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
That would apply in a normal situation, where the club was not insolvent. It wouldn't stand up to Court scrutiny if the liquidators sued Hearts for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brando7
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Clyde good, Brechin bad.
https://tammcturk.jux.com/296648 :thumbsup:
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Never liked that stupid hedge anyway.
Well said that man, Tam!:top marksQuote:
Originally Posted by H18sry
Christ, lucky you asked 'cos if the Huns don't get into SPL 1, tomorrow is the end of the world as we know it.I dinna ken if Doncaster and Reagan have actually given a time for this cataclysim, but I'd say lunch time tomorrow or thereabouts.:devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I actually think they'd be OK. Rangers (oldCo) are only entitled to the prize money minus any unpaid and overdue debts to other member clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Aye :aok:
Am now getting up after sleeping off a night shift, and singing, "The Huns are goin' tae hell, the Huns are goin' tae hell" (to the tune of 'The Huns are goin' bust') :faf:
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Originally Posted by FalkirkHibby
The Clyde statement makes a valid point but I doubt that anyone has that sort of financial information on Sevco. I count Charles Green in that group.
I'm amazed that he managed to scrape the £5.5m together but doubt if he now has any capital left and, as we all know, there is sod all revenue coming in from ST sales.
In terms of the SPL rules, yes they are. However, by applying those rules the SPL are assisting RFC in granting a preference to one creditor over another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Has he actually paid it? I didn't read the D&P statement in any detail, but I know he hadn't a few weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
Dungcaster and Regan have one of those escape pod thingies that Blofeld had in the 007 movie 'You Only Live Twice'. As soon as the vote goes 'NO' the two of them are gonna disappear through a secret door, jump in the escape pod and disappear in a puff of rocket smoke...
...only to surface in a Rangers bar in Torremolinos :devil:
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Originally Posted by calmac12000
Correct. The latest spouting on the Pravda website virtually says, "ST sales are screwed"
http://www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2847706
Pear shaped, heading, rapidly :aok:
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Originally Posted by Seveno
I kind of assumed that, as someone posted that Hunbrox was now registered in the same of Sevco Scotland Ltd.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Yes, I know, stupid to make assumptions based on normal business practice. I apologise.
B*ggar.... I missed that. Gonny tell me whae? (serious, btw)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
I'm pretty sure it was a couple of weeks ago and someone had checked with Registers of Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Nice to see the huns have still got other interests outside of football :aok: Keep them cheerful in these tough economic times.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/...at=top-stories
Jim Goodwin of St Mirren is the latest to appeal for Div 1 for Newco. What a pillock. His club vote them out of the SPL but he's squealing for the SFL clubs to save his club. I hate them and their club with a passion but is it really any surprise that the Hun supporters are up in arms when they read this sort of thing?
I disagree. The creditors are only entitled to money to which the OldCo was entitled. The OldCo aren't entitled to the prize money due to unpaid and overdue debts to member clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Rangers released this statement today re season tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seveno
"The Club is disappointed it has been unable to provide season ticket holders with clarity on the arrangements for season ticket renewals.
As you are aware, there is a meeting tomorrow with the SFL board and member clubs to discuss which division Rangers will play in next season.
Following that meeting we hope to be in a position to provide greater clarity on season ticket renewals, pricing and payment processes - which will be communicated directly with season ticket holders.
The Club would like to thank season ticket holders once again for their patience during this difficult period."
If Sevco are lucky enough to be admitted to the third division I wonder how much they will charge for season tickets given that entry to most third division games is around £10 and the average third division season ticket is around £180.Quote:
Originally Posted by YehButNo But